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[nos_astra]

sylvanaerie wrote...
gooooooood morning Alistairians! (or good afternoon, good evening and goodnight for those in other time zones from me.)

Happy lunchtime!

[nos_astra]

sylvanaerie wrote...
I need to get some sexy Alistair pics where he ISN"T naked (that lean o' hotness he does right before you ask him for the DR would be perfect).

Would the King of the Eyebrows do the trick? I think it's the perfect mix of hotness and Alistair-ness - with gore!

Modifié par klarabella, 20 mai 2010 - 11:32 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

klarabella wrote...

Hm okay. Unexpected but ok. I think siding with the Architect is a bad thing but my human noble will probably do so. I'm doing terrible things to her and with her anyway, so it doesn't matter. Maybe I'll let Justice attack, it's so boring and undramatic otherwise. It's in character for stubborn, pragmatic, little wench.

Sigrun is very opposed to it, because she is still a Legionaire in her mind, and darkspawn must die, smart and chatty or not. She says she thinks it stupid to allow darkspawn to grow intelligent, and thus, make the enemy more powerful, from her point of view. Understandable from her own personal perspective.

Justice, being a jutice sp0irit, is offended that you are not seeking justice against the vile creatures that killed Kristoff, and feels that darkspawn are irredeemable scum. He is a spirit, his view of things is very skewed, due to his nature.

Anders is the least vocal, but voices concern that letting the architect live, and darkspawn grow independant, has the potential to become something that bites you in the ass later. It's a bit more of a pragmatic personal opinion: take no chances with these things.

For those that actually like the idea, the most surprising advocate is Oghren, who says he's tired of all the fighting of the darkspawn, and figures darkspawn will end up too occupied "thinking" and might leave the dwarves alone.

Nathaniel likes the idea of breaking new ground and trying out a peaceful co-existance instead of having to fight them all the time.

Velanna is the least surprising: the Architect took her sister, she wants to find out where she is, and the epilogue states that she actually becomes bitter and pissed if you do kill the architect.

Ser Pounce-a-Lot, however, is completely apathetic either way, as such lowly mortal concerns are beneath him.

[nos_astra]

Hmpf, okay. This is more like what I expected. The question is now, how could I possibly explain, why an intelligent woman who sometimes likes to take the short-cut rather than doing the right thing would side with the Architect.

This is going to give me headaches because her Maker (as in I) would side with Sigrun here.

Edit: Oh, and thank you Skadi for your help!

Modifié par klarabella, 20 mai 2010 - 11:40 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

No problem.



As to reasoning for your character, siding with the architect could be reasoned as a practical choice, instead of having to fight him, see this as an opportunity for better resolution. The Architect does want to stop Blights, and a purely pragmatic person would find such a prospect promising. You get an extra ally in your battle with the mother, who seems to be the bigger threat, and avoid what could be a risky battle. And a person with rather shaky moral compass wouldn't be terribly bothered by his methods.



A talking, experiment-happy darkspawn who is also willing to try and end the Blights, no matter the cost, and maybe forge some sort of co-existance, would be very appealing to someone who doesn't bother with morality, and works on a practical/action-result wavelength.

[sabreene]

I was going to finish off the AD tonight, but I'm saving the roof battle for tomorrow But! I do have a leaning pic, and a few others. I'm not sure if the lean is as impressive in black armor, but still... it's a lean.







the long distance lean

[nos_astra]

And a person with rather shaky moral compass wouldn't be terribly bothered by his methods.

Especially if she managed to drive her moral compass away. You may be on to something here.



So I would have to ensure that she's there with Oghren, Nate, Anders and Velanna. Justice would work too, she would probably not care about justice (and defend herself against him, he's a corpse after all) as she has decided against what her moral compass thought was justice before. But certainly not Sigrun as she makes too much sense.

[sylvanaerie]

sabreene wrote...

I was going to finish off the AD tonight, but I'm saving the roof battle for tomorrow But! I do have a leaning pic, and a few others. I'm not sure if the lean is as impressive in black armor, but still... it's a lean.



the long distance lean

Oh ya the lean is hotness in any armor...the lean is the pose of the Gods.  Even Ser Pounce-a-Lot (going to kill Gaider for naming the cat something that requires me actually lookign at the damn keyboard) goes on 2 legs for the Lean.  it is the pose of the Gods.

*Edit* now that I think about it...doesn't Bugs Bunny (the original cool toon) do this pose a LOT in his stories?

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 20 mai 2010 - 12:00 .

[sylvanaerie]

klarabella wrote...

And a person with rather shaky moral compass wouldn't be terribly bothered by his methods.
Especially if she managed to drive her moral compass away. You may be on to something here.

So I would have to ensure that she's there with Oghren, Nate, Anders and Velanna. Justice would work too, she would probably not care about justice (and defend herself against him, he's a corpse after all) as she has decided against what her moral compass thought was justice before. But certainly not Sigrun as she makes too much sense.

you can only take 3

[nos_astra]

sylvanaerie wrote...

klarabella wrote...
And a person with rather shaky moral compass wouldn't be terribly bothered by his methods.
Especially if she managed to drive her moral compass away. You may be on to something here.

So I would have to ensure that she's there with Oghren, Nate, Anders and Velanna. Justice would work too, she would probably not care about justice (and defend herself against him, he's a corpse after all) as she has decided against what her moral compass thought was justice before. But certainly not Sigrun as she makes too much sense.

you can only take 3

It's for a story. No restrictions there.

[sylvanaerie]

oh hehe thought you were talking the game lol

[sylvanaerie]

Question for those with more GW/DA lore than i know. I read many pages back something about GWs haveing their kids taken from them? or did I misunderstand:? My question would be:

IF the Warden becomes pregnant (Not with Ali mind you as thats impossible, thats established) but with say an untainted person. Person is a noble so not without some influence himself (though I know GW policies exceed/trump even princes and kings). And the Warden is a commoner, not queen.

That being said, raising a family as a Warden is going to be difficult (That whole two way mutual sense the taint ability they and their foes have with each other) but it would be possible at least for a time while the mother is still relatively freshly tainted.

I know this question comes from really out there but testing the waters so to speak for my latest fic and want to see what yall thought on the matter?

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 20 mai 2010 - 12:35 .

[nos_astra]

Ah, interesting topic as in my story the Warden Commander will leave her son - it's convenient for her that there is this rule but she has other reason's for doing so. Ok, I'm deliberately violating the lore by making it Alistair's son (something I never thought I'd do), so that makes my fic AU.

She will give him to foster parents. It's the only way to make it believable that she got pregnant before the Landsmeet and is still ready to go in Awakening.

If the Warden Commander is not terribly fond of orders from Weishaupt she'd probably keep her child. Wet nurses and nannies should do the trick.

Modifié par klarabella, 20 mai 2010 - 12:44 .

[sylvanaerie]

klarabella wrote...

Ah, interesting topic as in my story the Warden Commander will leave her son - it's convenient for her that there is this rule but she has other reason's for doing so. Ok, I'm deliberately violating the lore by making it Alistair's son (something I never thought I'd do), so that makes my fic AU.

She will give him to foster parents. It's the only way to make it believable that she got pregnant before the Landsmeet and is still ready to go in Awakening.

If the Warden Commander is not terribly fond of orders from Weishaupt she'd probably keep her child. Wet nurses and nannies should do the trick.

So it IS true...they do take the child? Or is it a case they just want the child placed with foster parents (or maybe even have the Father take it to raise?)

[nos_astra]

sylvanaerie wrote...
So it IS true...they do take the child? Or is it a case they just want the child placed with foster parents (or maybe even have the Father take it to raise?)

I would say the latter. It would make sense for Fiona, she's a mage, she has no family, she lives at Weishaupt, she's an elf. So the child would be taken from her but she decides to leave it with Maric and place it somewhere hidden. Yes, I think the father could take it. Or the grandmother. Or foster parents.

It's a rare ocasion, though. GW don't have children very often after they've took the Joining.

Modifié par klarabella, 20 mai 2010 - 12:50 .

[MelRedux]

Morning kids!  Wow, page 1000 came and went, and I totally missed it.

[sylvanaerie]

okay Makes sense to me. That will work. Thanks Klara.

AU is okay if its that one little point. As long as yoiu stay true to the established characterization if anyone grouses about that tell em STFU cause its your story to tell! (my only big issue with AU is OOCness of the characters). Plot points and other things are fine for me if I can see it and I can see Alistair and PC having a child even if it is AU.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 20 mai 2010 - 12:52 .

[sylvanaerie]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Morning kids!  Wow, page 1000 came and went, and I totally missed it.

It was exciting Mel we were all posting trying to get in on the page and YAY Lady D the high priestess made top post!!

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Question for those with more GW/DA lore than i know. I read many pages back something about GWs haveing their kids taken from them? or did I misunderstand:? My question would be:

IF the Warden becomes pregnant (Not with Ali mind you as thats impossible, thats established) but with say an untainted person. Person is a noble so not without some influence himself (though I know GW policies exceed/trump even princes and kings). And the Warden is a commoner, not queen.

That being said, raising a family as a Warden is going to be difficult (That whole two way mutual sense the taint ability they and their foes have with each other) but it would be possible at least for a time while the mother is still relatively freshly tainted.

I know this question comes from really out there but testing the waters so to speak for my latest fic and want to see what yall thought on the matter?

According to Fiona in The Calling, Grey Wardens are expected to give up their children. However, I imagine that's only if they remain with the Wardens. Her concern is that, if she leaves the Wardens, she's basically useless since she's a) an elf and a mage. She doesn't really have the option to join the general populace.

In my story, my MC marries, has a child and stays on as Warden-Commander. The justification for this is that, since the First Warden wants the expreriment in Ferelden (with the Wardens having their own arling) to be a success, he's better off with The Hero in that position than anyone else. And, since she marries nobility, it further smooths the transition.

The way I see it, the game plays pretty fast and loose with how much a Warden is beholden to the Order (since deserters aren't punished) and I have no problems going in directions that require compromises between the First Warden and my MC.

As for Wardens with families, since my MC gets pregnant within a year of ending the Blight, there's not a huge concern over life expectency. She has a fairly strong support system within the Wardens and she has made arrangements with Fergus to take over guardianship should she die in battle (if anyone can pry her son away from his mages, that is ).

Modifié par SurelyForth, 20 mai 2010 - 01:02 .

[MelRedux]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

Morning kids!  Wow, page 1000 came and went, and I totally missed it.

It was exciting Mel we were all posting trying to get in on the page and YAY Lady D the high priestess made top post!!

Well, she is the high priestess, it is only fitting.  

But I'm sad I didn't get to grace page 1000 with any of my glorious high quality xbox screenies.

Modifié par Mel_Redux, 20 mai 2010 - 01:06 .

[sylvanaerie]

Thanks for the replies guys. Fiona was a little different situation than my MC but thats the NPC i was actually thinking of when I posed this question. I know children of mages are taken away...do you think the non Mage Untainted Noble Father would protest that? if there is no evidence of Magery at that point? (its not an exact science as we see Isolde's family has them it just doesn't show up every generation) and MC would have a family (lover) support system outside the Tower/Wardens

She wouldn't give up being a warden (can't really as the darkspawn will find you if yoiu don't go after them) but it was something I could see her doing at least a little while before circumstances/taint forces her to address the issue. Which could take years.

And saying F* you to the First Warden would be in her character (desertion if necessary).

*Edit* PC is a mage and an elf.  Most likely scenario she can hope for would be being the mistress of the noble and having her children acknowledged as his (making them legitimate).

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 20 mai 2010 - 01:28 .

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Thanks for the replies guys. Fiona was a little different situation than my MC but thats the NPC i was actually thinking of when I posed this question. I know children of mages are taken away...do you think the non Mage Untainted Noble Father would protest that? if there is no evidence of Magery at that point? (its not an exact science as we see Isolde's family has them it just doesn't show up every generation) and MC would have a family (lover) support system outside the Tower/Wardens.

I think that the MC being a mage would make things much harder for her. I don't know how the Chantry and even the nobility would feel about her being married to with a nobleman and, even though I am sure the father would protest the baby being taken, there are no guarantees that it wouldn't still happen. But, it's your story and you can push at the rules enough to create a small loophole. Just because it's not easy doesn't mean that it can't work out, right?

Another thing that I'm going to touch upon is using the Wardens as a way to circumvent the establishment (so to speak) and the dangers inherent in that. There are a lot of interesting scenarios that can be born from the murky areas between the jurisdiction of the Chantry, the Crown and the Wardens (and how those interact and overlap).

And now I'm just rambling because I'd rather think about writing than work.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 20 mai 2010 - 01:44 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
A talking, experiment-happy darkspawn who is also willing to try and end the Blights, no matter the cost, and maybe forge some sort of co-existance, would be very appealing to someone who doesn't bother with morality, and works on a practical/action-result wavelength.

Who me?
Well it's not necessarily being oblivious to morality. It's just having a relativist perspective. Judging a person with no society, rules and morality and who is basically alone (the Architect) with our standards is a bit futile.

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Thanks for the replies guys. Fiona was a little different situation than my MC but thats the NPC i was actually thinking of when I posed this question. I know children of mages are taken away...do you think the non Mage Untainted Noble Father would protest that? if there is no evidence of Magery at that point? (its not an exact science as we see Isolde's family has them it just doesn't show up every generation) and MC would have a family (lover) support system outside the Tower/Wardens.

I think that the MC being a mage would make things much harder for her. I don't know how the Chantry and even the nobility would feel about her being married to with a nobleman and, even though I am sure the father would protest the baby being taken, there are no guarantees that it wouldn't still happen. But, it's your story and you can push at the rules enough to create a small loophole. Just because it's not easy doesn't mean that it can't work out, right?

Another thing that I'm going to touch upon is using the Wardens as a way to circumvent the establishment (so to speak) and the dangers inherent in that. There are a lot of interesting scenarios that can be born from the murky areas between the jurisdiction of the Chantry, the Crown and the Wardens (and how those interact and overlap).

And now I'm just rambling because I'd rather think about writing than work.

Ramble away Surely this is coalescing my thoughts enough that I can work on Chapter 3 (which is hell and gone from the situation I am asking about as the principles involved are just friends at this point) but I wanted to see if my take on it wasn't too off the wall possible.  I have several NPCs to keep in character and one of them is going to be the voice of dissention, one of them the aforementioned lover and another is going to be the snake in paradise   The snake is the hardest as she has less airtime in the game than the other two but will be making an effort to keep the story believable.

[Zeleen]

Wow! no one's here???

uuu Top of page... good job, Honey!

Modifié par Zeleen, 20 mai 2010 - 02:28 .