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[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
No. He will only learn by necessity, but if he has someone to make the decisions for him, he will defer. Because at heart, he is not and never was a leader nor ruler material and would rather have someone do this for him. 
  

It's mostly PC ego stroking, in both cases.  i.e.
Hardened:  ", as Alistair's chancellor, was a regular face at court--at least for a time. Alistair deferred to his advisor's judgment on most matters, and when the king traveled away from the capital, as he did often, he was more than willing to leave the throne entirely in 's hands."

Unhardened:  ", as Alistair's chancellor, was the face most often seen at court. In truth, the chancellor ruled the nation, and did so with King Alistair's blessing. Whenever the chancellor left Denerim on personal affairs, the business of the court effectively came to a standstill."

Looking at them side-by-side, it's easy to see the difference.  Hardened Alistair takes advice and is comfortable with the chancellor in charge while he's gone.  Unhardened Alistair doesn't want the job and is more than happy to let someone else take over.  We can quibble over exact meanings, but it's easier looking at both to see the difference they were trying to create.

Edit:  It can also be, that with the PC there, it doesn't encourage Alistair to strike out on his own, and simply maintain the roles you had through the Blight.  If your character is dead or not chancellor, you just get the first card about learning governance.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 20 mai 2010 - 09:55 .

[cmessaz]

Success! Seri's armor is in my game!

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

Success! Seri's armor is in my game!

WANTS!

*shakes fist*

[Thor Rand Al]

cmessaz wrote...

Success! Seri's armor is in my game!

Is this what you've been working on cmessaz, I like very much.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
No. He will only learn by necessity, but if he has someone to make the decisions for him, he will defer. Because at heart, he is not and never was a leader nor ruler material and would rather have someone do this for him. 
  

It's mostly PC ego stroking, in both cases.  i.e.
Hardened:  ", as Alistair's chancellor, was a regular face at court--at least for a time. Alistair deferred to his advisor's judgment on most matters, and when the king traveled away from the capital, as he did often, he was more than willing to leave the throne entirely in 's hands."

Unhardened:  ", as Alistair's chancellor, was the face most often seen at court. In truth, the chancellor ruled the nation, and did so with King Alistair's blessing. Whenever the chancellor left Denerim on personal affairs, the business of the court effectively came to a standstill."

Looking at them side-by-side, it's easy to see the difference.  Hardened Alistair takes advice and is comfortable with the chancellor in charge while he's gone.  Unhardened Alistair doesn't want the job and is more than happy to let someone else take over.  We can quibble over exact meanings, but it's easier looking at both to see the difference they were trying to create.

That's not the meaning of the verb "to defer". It means more than just taking advice. It's delegating decision making to a person or submitting to that person's opinions. In otherwords, Alsitair only gives the royal stamp to his Chancellor's opinions. That's it. Mostly a symbolic role that is less unimpressive than his unhardned state, where the Chancellor wouldn't bother even presenting the issue to him.

And it's not PC ego stroking. I don't see why peole are so hardpressed to make Alsitair a person he is not.
I love Morrigan a lot, but never will I claim that she is a leader or should be a ruler, because that's not what she is made for. Neither is Alistair, except he had the good fortune of having royal blood.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 mai 2010 - 10:00 .

[cmessaz]

Serissia's armor is up
http://social.biowar...ect/2748/#files

Modifié par cmessaz, 20 mai 2010 - 10:00 .

[Serissia]

It's up in my projects... just install the DAzip like any other. 

I couldn't figure out how to drop the str requirement from 30 to 20 so, there's +6 str on the main chest piece to help w/ the requirement.  Just throw on some +str gear till it gets you where you need to be than put on the chest & take off the other stuff.

Modifié par Serissia, 20 mai 2010 - 10:04 .

[TotoroTori]

cmessaz wrote...

Serissia's armor is up
http://social.biowar...ect/2748/#files

awww sweet!

Tell Serissa I will try and sketch one of her characters for here for this

[Zeleen]

LadyDamodred wrote...

I think the real question here is, why haven't we seen this before?

Wide angle:

Me thinks the conversation goes this a way..

PC: What! Not dressed yet.
Alistair, with a wink "I think the darkspawn can wait a few minutes" **twinkle in eye**

PC; "Oh.... I think you're right... why don't you help me out of this armor"

[cmessaz]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Success! Seri's armor is in my game!

Is this what you've been working on cmessaz, I like very much.

I've been helping, but this is serissia's beauty.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
And it's not PC ego stroking. I don't see why peole are so hardpressed to make Alsitair a person he is not.
I love Morrigan a lot, but never will I claim that she is a leader or should be a ruler, because that's not what she is made for. Neither is Alistair, except he had the good fortune of having royal blood.

I seem to recall a conversation we had where you insisted that Anora and the male Cousland consort could have a complementary relationship, even though it's obvious who is top dog.

Quote thyself. 

Naturally, some people prefer to see the PC-Alistair relationship as the PC being in charge.  I've never seen it that way, even in the game.  They're a team in Origins, they're a team if they end up co-ruling or she as advisor.  If you can construct your Anora relationship how you see fit, then don't render others' interpretations of the Alistair-PC relationship as a priori "making him what he is not."

Finally, Alistair is very much Maric.  And Maric, despite his reliance on his advisors and especially Loghain, was a good king.  Likewise, whether the PC is chancellor or goes off to Bora Bora (that's just beyond Par Vollen, I'm told), hardened Alistair also makes a good king.

[Thor Rand Al]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
No. He will only learn by necessity, but if he has someone to make the decisions for him, he will defer. Because at heart, he is not and never was a leader nor ruler material and would rather have someone do this for him. 
  

It's mostly PC ego stroking, in both cases.  i.e.
Hardened:  ", as Alistair's chancellor, was a regular face at court--at least for a time. Alistair deferred to his advisor's judgment on most matters, and when the king traveled away from the capital, as he did often, he was more than willing to leave the throne entirely in 's hands."

Unhardened:  ", as Alistair's chancellor, was the face most often seen at court. In truth, the chancellor ruled the nation, and did so with King Alistair's blessing. Whenever the chancellor left Denerim on personal affairs, the business of the court effectively came to a standstill."

Looking at them side-by-side, it's easy to see the difference.  Hardened Alistair takes advice and is comfortable with the chancellor in charge while he's gone.  Unhardened Alistair doesn't want the job and is more than happy to let someone else take over.  We can quibble over exact meanings, but it's easier looking at both to see the difference they were trying to create.

Edit:  It can also be, that with the PC there, it doesn't encourage Alistair to strike out on his own, and simply maintain the roles you had through the Blight.  If your character is dead or not chancellor, you just get the first card about learning governance.

True, because if you're not there or even if you marry him n leave Eamon as his chancellor you don't get that chancellor card.
I screwed up this whole playthrough and rushed the ending so by the time the end came I didn't know which way to go, Alistair was not suppose to take the throne lol.  I learned a lesson, don't do his sister quest until right before the Landsmeet lmao.

[cmessaz]

In a set of healer robes, what stats would people want?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
And it's not PC ego stroking. I don't see why peole are so hardpressed to make Alsitair a person he is not.
I love Morrigan a lot, but never will I claim that she is a leader or should be a ruler, because that's not what she is made for. Neither is Alistair, except he had the good fortune of having royal blood.

I seem to recall a conversation we had where you insisted that Anora and the male Cousland consort could have a complementary relationship, even though it's obvious who is top dog.

Quote thyself. 

Of course it's obvious who is top dog, as Anora is Queen Regnant and the Cousland is King Consort. That is made clear before engagement. And?
There is a difference between holding the title of King Regnant, while in reality not acting like one, and holding a lesser title but acting fully according to it. The former is better than the latter.

Furthermore, complimentarity is still possible with inequality of powers.

And Alsitair is nothing like Maric. Maric was instructed to be king since childhood by his mother. Alsitair spent his childhood pillow fighting with Templar initiates.

[Thor Rand Al]

Oh hey guy's, thanks for reminding me Zeleen with that comment about undressing Alistair lmao. I've been meaning to tell you I tried that last night with Morrigan mod. It's ok, it's rushed in some parts but it' different then the blowing out the candle.

Now what I'd really like to know is if that can be done for the female PC n Alistair, if the ritual never took place. (I wish there was some way of doing this even if the ritual took place but that would be impossible because of the cutscene going into battle immediately after.)

[cmessaz]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Oh hey guy's, thanks for reminding me Zeleen with that comment about undressing Alistair lmao. I've been meaning to tell you I tried that last night with Morrigan mod. It's ok, it's rushed in some parts but it' different then the blowing out the candle.
Now what I'd really like to know is if that can be done for the female PC n Alistair, if the ritual never took place. (I wish there was some way of doing this even if the ritual took place but that would be impossible because of the cutscene going into battle immediately after.)

lol Well, no it wouldn't be impossible, but do you really want Morrigan's seconds?

Modifié par cmessaz, 20 mai 2010 - 10:17 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And Alsitair is nothing like Maric. Maric was instructed to be king since childhood by his mother. Alsitair spent his childhood pillow fighting with Templar initiates.

You've actually read The Stolen Throne, right?  Just checking. 

NVM.  We see the character too differently to find middle ground.

[Serissia]

My mod is 100% midget compatible.

[Thor Rand Al]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
And it's not PC ego stroking. I don't see why peole are so hardpressed to make Alsitair a person he is not.
I love Morrigan a lot, but never will I claim that she is a leader or should be a ruler, because that's not what she is made for. Neither is Alistair, except he had the good fortune of having royal blood.

I seem to recall a conversation we had where you insisted that Anora and the male Cousland consort could have a complementary relationship, even though it's obvious who is top dog.

Quote thyself. 

Naturally, some people prefer to see the PC-Alistair relationship as the PC being in charge.  I've never seen it that way, even in the game.  They're a team in Origins, they're a team if they end up co-ruling or she as advisor.  If you can construct your Anora relationship how you see fit, then don't render others' interpretations of the Alistair-PC relationship as a priori "making him what he is not."

Finally, Alistair is very much Maric.  And Maric, despite his reliance on his advisors and especially Loghain, was a good king.  Likewise, whether the PC is chancellor or goes off to Bora Bora (that's just beyond Par Vollen, I'm told), hardened Alistair also makes a good king.

It does say something to the effect if the two could quit competing over the throne if you choose to be chancellor married to Anora.  So she doesn't end up top dog on that part, it's a power struggle between the two on who should rule. 
That's actually the ending I was trying to get on this playthrough, lol.

[Thor Rand Al]

cmessaz wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Oh hey guy's, thanks for reminding me Zeleen with that comment about undressing Alistair lmao. I've been meaning to tell you I tried that last night with Morrigan mod. It's ok, it's rushed in some parts but it' different then the blowing out the candle.
Now what I'd really like to know is if that can be done for the female PC n Alistair, if the ritual never took place. (I wish there was some way of doing this even if the ritual took place but that would be impossible because of the cutscene going into battle immediately after.)

lol Well, no it wouldn't be impossible, but do you really want Morrigan's seconds?

True, very true, ok how about before hand dang it lol.  Hmm here's a thought, how about right after Morrigan tells you about the ritual and you go to talk to Alistair, somehow getting that last night scene to happen and then um letting Morrigan have him.  She gets the seconds .  I'm horrible I know lmao.

[LadyDamodred]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Edit:  It can also be, that with the PC there, it doesn't encourage Alistair to strike out on his own, and simply maintain the roles you had through the Blight.  If your character is dead or not chancellor, you just get the first card about learning governance.

I think my edit more fully explains my feelings on it.  If your PC chooses to be Chancellor, it's clear you want to retain power so the card is designed to do that.  Which is fine, if slightly odd on Alistair's part.  But I'll interpret it as they continue the relationship they had during the Blight, which makes sense if Alistair likes the PC.  What would make it odd is if Alistair hated your PC and you go that card.  That's a real "wtf?!" situation.


*giggles*

[sylvanaerie]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Oh hey guy's, thanks for reminding me Zeleen with that comment about undressing Alistair lmao. I've been meaning to tell you I tried that last night with Morrigan mod. It's ok, it's rushed in some parts but it' different then the blowing out the candle.
Now what I'd really like to know is if that can be done for the female PC n Alistair, if the ritual never took place. (I wish there was some way of doing this even if the ritual took place but that would be impossible because of the cutscene going into battle immediately after.)

I would be happy if after the Morrigan thing it showed him coming back to the PC and she hugs him or just cuddles with him.  I can't imagine after that trauma he is going to be up for more than that.

[cmessaz]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Oh hey guy's, thanks for reminding me Zeleen with that comment about undressing Alistair lmao. I've been meaning to tell you I tried that last night with Morrigan mod. It's ok, it's rushed in some parts but it' different then the blowing out the candle.
Now what I'd really like to know is if that can be done for the female PC n Alistair, if the ritual never took place. (I wish there was some way of doing this even if the ritual took place but that would be impossible because of the cutscene going into battle immediately after.)

lol Well, no it wouldn't be impossible, but do you really want Morrigan's seconds?

True, very true, ok how about before hand dang it lol.  Hmm here's a thought, how about right after Morrigan tells you about the ritual and you go to talk to Alistair, somehow getting that last night scene to happen and then um letting Morrigan have him.  She gets the seconds .  I'm horrible I know lmao.

Or we could get a turkey baster........

[Kryyptehk]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Oh hey guy's, thanks for reminding me Zeleen with that comment about undressing Alistair lmao. I've been meaning to tell you I tried that last night with Morrigan mod. It's ok, it's rushed in some parts but it' different then the blowing out the candle.
Now what I'd really like to know is if that can be done for the female PC n Alistair, if the ritual never took place. (I wish there was some way of doing this even if the ritual took place but that would be impossible because of the cutscene going into battle immediately after.)

I would be happy if after the Morrigan thing it showed him coming back to the PC and she hugs him or just cuddles with him.  I can't imagine after that trauma he is going to be up for more than that.

Am I the only one whose characters wouldn't want to look at him after that? They'd be too ashamed about making him do that. I imagine that my characters sleep through it until the morning, probably on the other side of the castle.

I'd really rather not cuddle with a man who I love, who just slept with another woman, not matter the circumstances. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[sylvanaerie]

I wouldn't leave him feeling miserable. I sure couldn't sleep till I knew if the swamp witch left him alive after that mess.
Even if he didn't want to look at me I would still be open to just holding him.  Don't think i couild have sex but I doubt he would want to anyway.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 20 mai 2010 - 10:38 .