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Axekix wrote...

So no one has the bearded Morrigan pic on hand? I am disappoint.

Had I seen it, it would be in my freakshow folder on my desktop ready for upload at my whim.Posted Image

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Mel_Redux wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

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So, how long did it take you folks to realize that there is more dialogue options in Ostagar if you focus entirely on cunning leveling up?


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There is an extra choice when you meet Flemeth, she actually will compliment you. And in the tower when Alistair stops you there is also an extra choice. I think you have to have like 30 cunning. I've played this game for months and just found this out recently.


Well, good thing I was going to remake and replay my HNF!!  Although, she was going to be a warrior....30 cunning would be kind of a waste. Posted Image


I always play warriors, so I've never had that high a level of cunning at that point in the game, although I'm usually pretty high by the time I finish the mage's circle. Not early enough to get Ostagar options, though....

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Just a FYI though No Helmet Hack and Dexterity Light Armor mods will conflict since they both edit the BITM files. I believe No Helmet Hack will still work on any item that isn't being modified by by Dexterity Light Armor though. So, say Alistair's massive helmet should still hide.

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Addai67 wrote...
I guess I look at it from more of a kismet perspective.  In my view, he was meant to be king.  The fact that Maric tried to keep him out of the succession makes that more tragic because it makes it more difficult for him, but that's just what Flemeth prophesied about Maric- he would hurt the ones he loves.  Plus, don't you want a good man to lead?  As long as he is able to do what needs to be done, everyone is better off when the one in charge is compassionate.



I speak from a very individualistic point of view. I've always been pretty much against the concept of sacrificing personal happieness and life's dreams/innerself for a "greater good". Neither of my cannon characters, for various reasons, really cared about what was best for Ferelden, especially at the cost of the man they loved. Truly good hearted, compasionate leaders do not have long life spans in the jungle that is realworld politics. They either become something bitter and resentful, get assasinated or removed.

When I play with Alistair, his bloodline, nor Eamon's ambitions amount to squat in terms of what his destiny should be. His destiny should be his own to carve, of his own making, born of his deepest desires in his heart. He should make his way through life as Alistair. Not Maric's bastard, not the last of the Therins, not as an expedient political solution to a national crisis.

Note, this is my own personal reasoning and perspective, not an attempt to establish an SOP in playing with the most awesome Alistair. Not saying your view is wrong, either. It is a medieval fantasy after all. In those times, there was almost a magical, spiritual quality believed to be possesed by noble bloodlines, people really felt it was almost a religous duty to preserve them.

But the anarchist in me says "Meh, **** ferelden, I'll give em Anora, since I don't bow to any authority but my own, and I got the lightning bolts/pointy objects to clarify this point should anyone object.:devil:

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Axekix wrote...

So no one has the bearded Morrigan pic on hand? I am disappoint.



KoP might. Provided he remembered to save it before he OD'd on it's implied awesomeness.

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Happy 1,000!


Source: http://littlemewhate...-Rose-143996652

Oh, nice touch.

No one ever noticed that I put Zevran's earring on Missa in soigee's portrait!  A rose is a way more obvious touch. =p


wait you did?

You did!

Have some Brosca boobs, Alistairians.... you know you love it

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So umm....whose hands are those? :)

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Emerald Melios wrote...
So umm....whose hands are those? :)


Guessing Zevran's since his tattoo is in the background.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Even though he gives way better speeches as king than Anora does as queen, I much think I prefer unkinged Alistair. It seems more natural, as well as a happier fate for him. Even hardened, he really never gave me warm fuzzy feelings about crowning him, even when he took the throne.

And being who he is, I dread to think what the burden of ruling will do to him when he comes face to face with some of the highly unpleasant things he must do as a leader. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, and his is not a head I wish to see bowed down with heavy heart and conscience.

I guess I look at it from more of a kismet perspective.  In my view, he was meant to be king.  The fact that Maric tried to keep him out of the succession makes that more tragic because it makes it more difficult for him, but that's just what Flemeth prophesied about Maric- he would hurt the ones he loves.  Plus, don't you want a good man to lead?  As long as he is able to do what needs to be done, everyone is better off when the one in charge is compassionate.


My feeling about this is that he'd probably end up equally, or more, unhappy if he's not king, and seeing Anora make choices he wouldn't make himself, knowing he could have prevented them. That feeling of duty isn't going to go away because he isn't king. To me, his strong realization that every decision he might make would have an impact on real people is one of his strongest positives as king, for all it makes him dread such choices. He can wish he wasn't Maric's son, he can pretend the same, but it doesn't make it so.

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Yes yes it is!
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Though my head seems incompatible...lol I dunno what I did there but back to the morph I go.

It's not your head, don't worry about it. The armour texture needs to have the "skin" parts marked in the alpha channel of its tint texture in order to get the proper colouring, without it everyone will show pasty white from the neck down Posted Image

that's a lovely pair of... griffons, btw. On the shoulders i mean. Posted Image


Hey now her eyes are up THERE! Though she is rather proud of her griffons:devil:

Zev may have to apply lots of sunblock...hahaha

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

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Emerald Melios wrote...

soignee wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Happy 1,000!


Source: http://littlemewhate...-Rose-143996652

Oh, nice touch.

No one ever noticed that I put Zevran's earring on Missa in soigee's portrait!  A rose is a way more obvious touch. =p


wait you did?

You did!

Have some Brosca boobs, Alistairians.... you know you love it

Posted Image


So umm....whose hands are those? :)



Like we need even ask......:whistle:

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I got a question before I go back to playing DA. When I start a new character all the mods that I have like the runic armor do I have to literally unistall them, make a new character then reinstall the mods or can I simply have them not active? I've got a lot of mods and having to uninstall them and reinstall is going to be a pain lmao.

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errant_knight wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

So, how long did it take you folks to realize that there is more dialogue options in Ostagar if you focus entirely on cunning leveling up?


??!!!?!?!?! Posted Image

There is an extra choice when you meet Flemeth, she actually will compliment you. And in the tower when Alistair stops you there is also an extra choice. I think you have to have like 30 cunning. I've played this game for months and just found this out recently.


Well, good thing I was going to remake and replay my HNF!!  Although, she was going to be a warrior....30 cunning would be kind of a waste. Posted Image


I always play warriors, so I've never had that high a level of cunning at that point in the game, although I'm usually pretty high by the time I finish the mage's circle. Not early enough to get Ostagar options, though....


Orly?  These are in the toolset I assume?

Errant:  I <3 you for <3'ing warriors.  ^_^

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Thor Rand Al wrote...

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Hrm. No, that does trigger as hardened Alistair. And it sort of directly conflicts with the previous statement of learning to art of governance and all that. *sighs* Is it too much to ask for a little consistancy?

Edit:  Hrm, reviewing it again, I think the point is to let the PC continue to have a fairly large role, and show Alistair's willingness to trust the PC's judgement.  *frowns*



That's why I was shocked when I read that, cause one minute he's learning how to govern n the very next card he's leaving it to me.  Weird but ok,  hey I see it as this, it's his way of paying me back for making him King lol.  He did ask me to stay, even said I owed him.  Damn you Alistair n you making me feel guilty lmao.


Edit: Top of page again

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 The slide says that he leaves Denerim frequently, and leaves governance in your hands, but it doesn't say that he isn't doing king sort of things while he's gone. He may prefer a hands on approach to diplomacy, both with the nobility and other countries. If he was just going for a pint, he wouldn't have to leave Denerim. ;)

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Not Quite "Papa Bear" (hard one to get!!)

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but doesn't she look a little young to fight darkspawn?? And she doesn't have 30 Dex yet but will!

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And just for good measure..

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LadyDamodred wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

So, how long did it take you folks to realize that there is more dialogue options in Ostagar if you focus entirely on cunning leveling up?


??!!!?!?!?! Posted Image

There is an extra choice when you meet Flemeth, she actually will compliment you. And in the tower when Alistair stops you there is also an extra choice. I think you have to have like 30 cunning. I've played this game for months and just found this out recently.


Well, good thing I was going to remake and replay my HNF!!  Although, she was going to be a warrior....30 cunning would be kind of a waste. Posted Image


I always play warriors, so I've never had that high a level of cunning at that point in the game, although I'm usually pretty high by the time I finish the mage's circle. Not early enough to get Ostagar options, though....


Orly?  These are in the toolset I assume?

Errant:  I <3 you for <3'ing warriors.  ^_^


Hey, the couple who bashes things upside the head together, uh, bashes things upside the head together. ;)

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I think I go a bit batty playing around with mods and stuff when I am not really in the mood to play the game. Someone take the Winter Forge away from me.

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Serissia wrote...

Just a FYI though No Helmet Hack and Dexterity Light Armor mods will conflict since they both edit the BITM files. I believe No Helmet Hack will still work on any item that isn't being modified by by Dexterity Light Armor though. So, say Alistair's massive helmet should still hide.


How does the dex thing work?  The description was pretty sparce.  Does it alter ALL armors for all characters so will my warriors be required to have ungodly dex to put on their armor? or does it go by class (like the AW thing?)

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errant_knight wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Hrm. No, that does trigger as hardened Alistair. And it sort of directly conflicts with the previous statement of learning to art of governance and all that. *sighs* Is it too much to ask for a little consistancy?

Edit:  Hrm, reviewing it again, I think the point is to let the PC continue to have a fairly large role, and show Alistair's willingness to trust the PC's judgement.  *frowns*



That's why I was shocked when I read that, cause one minute he's learning how to govern n the very next card he's leaving it to me.  Weird but ok,  hey I see it as this, it's his way of paying me back for making him King lol.  He did ask me to stay, even said I owed him.  Damn you Alistair n you making me feel guilty lmao.


Edit: Top of page again

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 The slide says that he leaves Denerim frequently, and leaves governance in your hands, but it doesn't say that he isn't doing king sort of things while he's gone. He may prefer a hands on approach to diplomacy, both with the nobility and other countries. If he was just going for a pint, he wouldn't have to leave Denerim. ;)


Yup.  I was saying earlier that as long as he and the PC are friendly, it's basically continuing the relationship they had during the Blight.  I'm okay with it.  Still going from 'learning governance and being fair/even-handed' to 'most of the decisions are yours' seems a tad bit contradictory.

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errant_knight wrote...
Hey, the couple who bashes things upside the head together, uh, bashes things upside the head together. ;)


Indeed!  Better for sparring, too.  ^_^  They can really lay into each other without worrying too much about hurting each other.  ^_^

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Thor Rand Al wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Hrm. No, that does trigger as hardened Alistair. And it sort of directly conflicts with the previous statement of learning to art of governance and all that. *sighs* Is it too much to ask for a little consistancy?

Edit:  Hrm, reviewing it again, I think the point is to let the PC continue to have a fairly large role, and show Alistair's willingness to trust the PC's judgement.  *frowns*



That's why I was shocked when I read that, cause one minute he's learning how to govern n the very next card he's leaving it to me.  Weird but ok,  hey I see it as this, it's his way of paying me back for making him King lol.  He did ask me to stay, even said I owed him.  Damn you Alistair n you making me feel guilty lmao.


Edit: Top of page again

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Now, what armor is this? I really want it.

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I think I go a bit batty playing around with mods and stuff when I am not really in the mood to play the game. Someone take the Winter Forge away from me.
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And this is why I had to uninstall.

Also, LOL at Morrigan. Seems like someone can't handle looking just like everyone else! 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 20 mai 2010 - 11:50 .


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Success! Seri's armor is in my game!
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Is this what you've been working on cmessaz, I like very much.


VERY nice, indeed.

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sylvanaerie wrote...
How does the dex thing work?  The description was pretty sparce.  Does it alter ALL armors for all characters so will my warriors be required to have ungodly dex to put on their armor? or does it go by class (like the AW thing?)


Just Light Armor (leathers)

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LadyDamodred wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Hrm. No, that does trigger as hardened Alistair. And it sort of directly conflicts with the previous statement of learning to art of governance and all that. *sighs* Is it too much to ask for a little consistancy?

Edit:  Hrm, reviewing it again, I think the point is to let the PC continue to have a fairly large role, and show Alistair's willingness to trust the PC's judgement.  *frowns*



That's why I was shocked when I read that, cause one minute he's learning how to govern n the very next card he's leaving it to me.  Weird but ok,  hey I see it as this, it's his way of paying me back for making him King lol.  He did ask me to stay, even said I owed him.  Damn you Alistair n you making me feel guilty lmao.


Edit: Top of page again

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 The slide says that he leaves Denerim frequently, and leaves governance in your hands, but it doesn't say that he isn't doing king sort of things while he's gone. He may prefer a hands on approach to diplomacy, both with the nobility and other countries. If he was just going for a pint, he wouldn't have to leave Denerim. ;)


Yup.  I was saying earlier that as long as he and the PC are friendly, it's basically continuing the relationship they had during the Blight.  I'm okay with it.  Still going from 'learning governance and being fair/even-handed' to 'most of the decisions are yours' seems a tad bit contradictory.


I figure that when he's there, he makes the decisions, with advice from his chancellor or wife, but when he isn't, he trusts you to make decisions in his absence. Anything else doesn't jive with the 'good governance' thing.

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Serissia wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
How does the dex thing work?  The description was pretty sparce.  Does it alter ALL armors for all characters so will my warriors be required to have ungodly dex to put on their armor? or does it go by class (like the AW thing?)


Just Light Armor (leathers)


okie dokie thanks!