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[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

What I thought was weird about the Tamlen romance is that unlike with, say, the DN and mage origins where Gorim and Cullen will be in love with you regardless (although if you choose two of the initial options Gorim doesn't mention it again the VO notes insist that he is) but Tamlen is only in love with you if you activate the romance. Why is that? He doesn't do unrequited love?

I just think it's meant to be very understated for some reason.  My first two DEF games, I played it as a sibling-like platonic relationship.

Alistair talking about the Dalish for top of page.  This bit makes my DEFs start to go a little squishy inside.  It's a sensitive topic, she's a fish completely out of water, and Alistair sounds so sincere and warm.  Especially meaningful since the funeral rite is so fresh in her mind with Tamlen.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 mai 2010 - 06:33 .

[Sandtigress]

Sarah1281 wrote...

What I thought was weird about the Tamlen romance is that unlike with, say, the DN and mage origins where Gorim and Cullen will be in love with you regardless (although if you choose two of the initial options Gorim doesn't mention it again the VO notes insist that he is) but Tamlen is only in love with you if you activate the romance. Why is that? He doesn't do unrequited love?

I think Tamlen's more the type that would never say anything if you didn't first.  It doesn't mean that he never felt it.  He's willing to just be best friends if that's all you want, but he's more than willing to own up to the feelings if you admit it too.  (I love his very forthright "Of couse, you know I'd do anything for you" line when you thank him for covering for you).

[cmessaz]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

What I thought was weird about the Tamlen romance is that unlike with, say, the DN and mage origins where Gorim and Cullen will be in love with you regardless (although if you choose two of the initial options Gorim doesn't mention it again the VO notes insist that he is) but Tamlen is only in love with you if you activate the romance. Why is that? He doesn't do unrequited love?

I actually think they should have done it that way for all of them.

So they'd only like you if you liked them back? Why? I know that would certainly take away a lot of Cullen's creepiness potential...

Well, there is that. Plus it gives you a little more slack to decide your history for yourself I guess. But then again without the toolset I didn't even know you could "activate" the romance with Tamlen. But seriously, that way if you wanted there to be a romance in your past, then there was, and if not there isn't. I hope this makes sense.

Modifié par cmessaz, 22 mai 2010 - 06:35 .

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

That wedding picture is just beautiful.

I love that you can see all the companions standing off to the sides in that pic. 

You can??  I'll have to look more closely.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Alistair talking about the Dalish for top of page.  This bit makes my DEFs start to go a little squishy inside.  It's a sensitive topic, she's a fish completely out of water, and Alistair sounds so sincere and warm.  Especially meaningful since the funeral rite is so fresh in her mind with Tamlen.

 I just did this scene recently again for some fic material, and you're right.  He is soooo warm with that little pause there when he says "That...sounds beautiful" and he immediately gets the idea of life coming from death.  I think my Dalish was very touched that he understood, and that he cared enough to ask about her customs. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Am I the only one who gets teary eyed everytime I finish a playthrough? Damn I love this game.

[Addai]

yukidama wrote...

I think what bothers me most is that I'm all "Hey, this isn't a good idea, maybe we should go back and tell the keeper..." multiple times and he's all "WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN LOLOLOL!" I dunno. I just didn't really care what happened to him at all, personally.

In my current game, I played it that he went in for her because she's a mage and he knew she was interested in arcane lore.  It adds some to what happens.  Plus, Serissia's morph seriously kicks it up more than a notch.  I think he's surpassed Soris in handsomeness, also because mentally I've made the switch over to thinking of him as my character's betrothed.

[cmessaz]

Well if I could actually finish a game, maybe.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Alistair talking about the Dalish for top of page.  This bit makes my DEFs start to go a little squishy inside.  It's a sensitive topic, she's a fish completely out of water, and Alistair sounds so sincere and warm.  Especially meaningful since the funeral rite is so fresh in her mind with Tamlen.

 I just did this scene recently again for some fic material, and you're right.  He is soooo warm with that little pause there when he says "That...sounds beautiful" and he immediately gets the idea of life coming from death.  I think my Dalish was very touched that he understood, and that he cared enough to ask about her customs. 

I should video that dialogue.  It's not on YouTube and I guess it should be.  Really need to learn how to upload videos.

[Sarah1281]

Sandtigress wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

What I thought was weird about the Tamlen romance is that unlike with, say, the DN and mage origins where Gorim and Cullen will be in love with you regardless (although if you choose two of the initial options Gorim doesn't mention it again the VO notes insist that he is) but Tamlen is only in love with you if you activate the romance. Why is that? He doesn't do unrequited love?

I think Tamlen's more the type that would never say anything if you didn't first.  It doesn't mean that he never felt it.  He's willing to just be best friends if that's all you want, but he's more than willing to own up to the feelings if you admit it too.  (I love his very forthright "Of couse, you know I'd do anything for you" line when you thank him for covering for you).

Surely an 'I'm about to commit suicide by GW' love confession would occur no matter how you felt about him if he loved you, though, right? I mean, that's not really the time to be embarrassed or shy.

[mellifera]

Sandtigress wrote...

No, it's a pretty obvious romance line.  When he asks why you're with him instead of with Master Varathorn today like you're supposed to have done, you can tell him "I wanted to be with you, of course."  Your other options are something like "I wanted to get away" or "This is a punishment, actually".  (Yeah, okay, maybe I've done these dialogs too often.... >.>)

As far as his insistence with going down to the ruins, I can think of a few reasons.

1) You're Dalish.  Pretty much your entire existence revolves around collecting lost elven lore.  Hearing some shems talk about elven ruins is going to be pretty much a magnet for any Dalish to go exploring.

2) You're both Dalish hunters.  As Tamlen says "Dalish hunters aren't afraid of anything!"  It's naive, sure, but you're both young and think you're invincible.  Despite the potential danger, neither of you probably think that anything really could have gone wrong.

3)  Tamlen is in trouble with the Keeper for brawling.  He hoped that finding a piece of Dalish lore would put him back in her good graces, in addition to making a name for yourselves for finding something great.

Is it stupid and naive?  Sure, but you're both still considered children in the clan, so you're both on the very young side of things.  It's not really any more naive than either of the dwarves participating in the Proving trials, or the mage helping Jowan, or the city elf slaughtering Vaughn, IMO.

Well, that may be true for him but my character isn't really like that. She kept on saying that they should go back and inform the Keeper about it and that she wasn't sure it was a good idea. I guess by that point she saw there was no dissuading him so she went along to help him. I guess she was being stupid as well but as much as she wants to find anything about their history she's also cautious. Is cautiousness an atypical Dalish characteristic? Maybe my character is weird.

[Sandtigress]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

What I thought was weird about the Tamlen romance is that unlike with, say, the DN and mage origins where Gorim and Cullen will be in love with you regardless (although if you choose two of the initial options Gorim doesn't mention it again the VO notes insist that he is) but Tamlen is only in love with you if you activate the romance. Why is that? He doesn't do unrequited love?

I think Tamlen's more the type that would never say anything if you didn't first.  It doesn't mean that he never felt it.  He's willing to just be best friends if that's all you want, but he's more than willing to own up to the feelings if you admit it too.  (I love his very forthright "Of couse, you know I'd do anything for you" line when you thank him for covering for you).

Surely an 'I'm about to commit suicide by GW' love confession would occur no matter how you felt about him if he loved you, though, right? I mean, that's not really the time to be embarrassed or shy.

Eh, he's also fighting the corruption and the archdemon's commands and in the middle of a battle with shrieks and your companions and all that.  I can see him not saying it - it's at least not outside the RP realm of possibilities in my mind.

[Sandtigress]

yukidama wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

No, it's a pretty obvious romance line.  When he asks why you're with him instead of with Master Varathorn today like you're supposed to have done, you can tell him "I wanted to be with you, of course."  Your other options are something like "I wanted to get away" or "This is a punishment, actually".  (Yeah, okay, maybe I've done these dialogs too often.... >.>)

As far as his insistence with going down to the ruins, I can think of a few reasons.

1) You're Dalish.  Pretty much your entire existence revolves around collecting lost elven lore.  Hearing some shems talk about elven ruins is going to be pretty much a magnet for any Dalish to go exploring.

2) You're both Dalish hunters.  As Tamlen says "Dalish hunters aren't afraid of anything!"  It's naive, sure, but you're both young and think you're invincible.  Despite the potential danger, neither of you probably think that anything really could have gone wrong.

3)  Tamlen is in trouble with the Keeper for brawling.  He hoped that finding a piece of Dalish lore would put him back in her good graces, in addition to making a name for yourselves for finding something great.

Is it stupid and naive?  Sure, but you're both still considered children in the clan, so you're both on the very young side of things.  It's not really any more naive than either of the dwarves participating in the Proving trials, or the mage helping Jowan, or the city elf slaughtering Vaughn, IMO.

Well, that may be true for him but my character isn't really like that. She kept on saying that they should go back and inform the Keeper about it and that she wasn't sure it was a good idea. I guess by that point she saw there was no dissuading him so she went along to help him. I guess she was being stupid as well but as much as she wants to find anything about their history she's also cautious. Is cautiousness an atypical Dalish characteristic? Maybe my character is weird.

Mine was cautious too, but she was also pulled into the excitement of finding Dalish lore.  They just never really expected things to happen like they did, even when things did start to feel ominous.  I mean, how often does disaster ever really strike, right?

[Sarah1281]

yukidama wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

No, it's a pretty obvious romance line.  When he asks why you're with him instead of with Master Varathorn today like you're supposed to have done, you can tell him "I wanted to be with you, of course."  Your other options are something like "I wanted to get away" or "This is a punishment, actually".  (Yeah, okay, maybe I've done these dialogs too often.... >.>)

As far as his insistence with going down to the ruins, I can think of a few reasons.

1) You're Dalish.  Pretty much your entire existence revolves around collecting lost elven lore.  Hearing some shems talk about elven ruins is going to be pretty much a magnet for any Dalish to go exploring.

2) You're both Dalish hunters.  As Tamlen says "Dalish hunters aren't afraid of anything!"  It's naive, sure, but you're both young and think you're invincible.  Despite the potential danger, neither of you probably think that anything really could have gone wrong.

3)  Tamlen is in trouble with the Keeper for brawling.  He hoped that finding a piece of Dalish lore would put him back in her good graces, in addition to making a name for yourselves for finding something great.

Is it stupid and naive?  Sure, but you're both still considered children in the clan, so you're both on the very young side of things.  It's not really any more naive than either of the dwarves participating in the Proving trials, or the mage helping Jowan, or the city elf slaughtering Vaughn, IMO.

Well, that may be true for him but my character isn't really like that. She kept on saying that they should go back and inform the Keeper about it and that she wasn't sure it was a good idea. I guess by that point she saw there was no dissuading him so she went along to help him. I guess she was being stupid as well but as much as she wants to find anything about their history she's also cautious. Is cautiousness an atypical Dalish characteristic? Maybe my character is weird.

Bitter story-telling funeral guy calls you on that, too, and tells you you had a choice about going in after him. I was like 'Sorry, I really would have come back and told you guys but the plot wouldn't let me...'

[Sandtigress]

Sarah1281 wrote...

 Bitter story-telling funeral guy calls you on that, too, and tells you you had a choice about going in after him. I was like 'Sorry, I really would have come back and told you guys but the plot wouldn't let me...'

lol I feel that way about a lot of things.... "What?  I don't want to help you, Jowan, you're a loser."  "Um, I don't want to go near Trian's body.  That just has a bad vibe to me..."  "Forget the Ashes, Teagan!  You can be the Arl and give me the army I need and Eamon can just rot there for all I care!"

[Sarah1281]

Sandtigress wrote...



No, it's a pretty obvious romance line. When he asks why you're with him instead of with Master Varathorn today like you're supposed to have done, you can tell him "I wanted to be with you, of course." Your other options are something like "I wanted to get away" or "This is a punishment, actually". (Yeah, okay, maybe I've done these dialogs too often.... >.>)

You couldn't see that as an 'I'm sure Tamlen's doing something more exciting so I want to go hang out with him' line?

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...
I should video that dialogue.  It's not on YouTube and I guess it should be.  Really need to learn how to upload videos.

Hmmm.  I wonder if I have a save on my Dalish where she can have that conversation with Alistair.  If so, I'll cap and upload video tomorrow.

[Sarah1281]

flol I feel that way about a lot of things.... "What? I don't want to help you, Jowan, you're a loser."

I wrote a one-shot where my Surana did just that. I'm not sure what Jowan ended up doing then...probably made my Amell help him. She's kind of a moron and if he mentioned that she was pretty she'd probably do it in a heartbeat.

[mellifera]

Sandtigress wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

No, it's a pretty obvious romance line.  When he asks why you're with him instead of with Master Varathorn today like you're supposed to have done, you can tell him "I wanted to be with you, of course."  Your other options are something like "I wanted to get away" or "This is a punishment, actually".  (Yeah, okay, maybe I've done these dialogs too often.... >.>)

As far as his insistence with going down to the ruins, I can think of a few reasons.

1) You're Dalish.  Pretty much your entire existence revolves around collecting lost elven lore.  Hearing some shems talk about elven ruins is going to be pretty much a magnet for any Dalish to go exploring.

2) You're both Dalish hunters.  As Tamlen says "Dalish hunters aren't afraid of anything!"  It's naive, sure, but you're both young and think you're invincible.  Despite the potential danger, neither of you probably think that anything really could have gone wrong.

3)  Tamlen is in trouble with the Keeper for brawling.  He hoped that finding a piece of Dalish lore would put him back in her good graces, in addition to making a name for yourselves for finding something great.

Is it stupid and naive?  Sure, but you're both still considered children in the clan, so you're both on the very young side of things.  It's not really any more naive than either of the dwarves participating in the Proving trials, or the mage helping Jowan, or the city elf slaughtering Vaughn, IMO.

Well, that may be true for him but my character isn't really like that. She kept on saying that they should go back and inform the Keeper about it and that she wasn't sure it was a good idea. I guess by that point she saw there was no dissuading him so she went along to help him. I guess she was being stupid as well but as much as she wants to find anything about their history she's also cautious. Is cautiousness an atypical Dalish characteristic? Maybe my character is weird.

Mine was cautious too, but she was also pulled into the excitement of finding Dalish lore.  They just never really expected things to happen like they did, even when things did start to feel ominous.  I mean, how often does disaster ever really strike, right?

I don't know. My character didn't trust the humans but there was still doubt in her mind that what they said about a demon in the ruins might be true. I'm very much a "better to be safe than sorry" person and it bleeds into my characters, I guess. She was excited about possibly finding something, but it's pointless if you get killed. But you're not given an option so I guess it's a moot point.

[Sandtigress]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

No, it's a pretty obvious romance line. When he asks why you're with him instead of with Master Varathorn today like you're supposed to have done, you can tell him "I wanted to be with you, of course." Your other options are something like "I wanted to get away" or "This is a punishment, actually". (Yeah, okay, maybe I've done these dialogs too often.... >.>)

You couldn't see that as an 'I'm sure Tamlen's doing something more exciting so I want to go hang out with him' line?

I dunno, seems like the other dialogs fill that role - two of them, I think, are wanting to get away because the other option was boring.  It's as obvious a romance line as some that Zevran and Alistair have, I would think.  Much more obvious than some of Leliana's about hair....


Alright, I've been up for too long.  Good night ladies, hopefully catch you all in the morning!

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Am I the only one who gets teary eyed everytime I finish a playthrough? Damn I love this game.

I normally do...but I just finished Aidan and..I couldn't help but laugh. My little bumbling paragon...I do love her, and she shall be my canon DNF after all. I didn't have to create her story, I just stumbled through it...and as a result, I think it ended as it should have. The exiled scapegoat, put the wrong man on Orzammar's throne to spite the brother that set her up, didn't get to spend as much time with Shayle as she would have liked, fell in love with Alistair, only to have him break up with her after becoming King, found love again with Zevran, didn't kill Marjolaine (still not sure how I managed that) so Leliana is off hunting her down, and of course accepted Morrigan's ritual because it seemed utterly silly not to. Good lord by the time I got to the end, I was surprised I didn't spare Loghain...lol

[Sarah1281]

You're seriously putting letting Loghain live on the same level as putting Harrowmont on the throne?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Am I the only one who gets teary eyed everytime I finish a playthrough? Damn I love this game.

I normally do...but I just finished Aidan and..I couldn't help but laugh. My little bumbling paragon...I do love her, and she shall be my canon DNF after all. I didn't have to create her story, I just stumbled through it...and as a result, I think it ended as it should have. The exiled scapegoat, put the wrong man on Orzammar's throne to spite the brother that set her up, didn't get to spend as much time with Shayle as she would have liked, fell in love with Alistair, only to have him break up with her after becoming King, found love again with Zevran, didn't kill Marjolaine (still not sure how I managed that) so Leliana is off hunting her down, and of course accepted Morrigan's ritual because it seemed utterly silly not to. Good lord by the time I got to the end, I was surprised I didn't spare Loghain...lol

Interesting character, if very different from mine, Dain Aeducan. Planed to put a weak Alsitair on the throne and rule the nation as his chancellor, which he did. Helped Bhelen, making sure House Aeducan ruled both Orzammar and Ferelden, and ensured cooperation and support between both monarchies.
He didn't bother loving anyone.

Paragon Chancellor Dain Aeducan is my 2nd canon character (and no, I never get tired of saying his title and name).

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You're seriously putting letting Loghain live on the same level as putting Harrowmont on the throne?

No...hence the "lol"

I've let him live exactly once, on a vengeful HNF Rogue...for no other reason than I hadn't done it, and decided the best revenge for him was to be a warden, take part in Morrigan's ritual, get nowhere near the arch demon in the final battle, get stuck on recruiting duty, and then sent to Orlais. She betrayed Alistair for her own off the wall revenge on the S.O.B. that  put a bounty on their heads, sent assassins after them, and rewarded Howe after what he did to her, and her family.

As for Aidan...I just completely lost control of the playthrough and she ended up surprising me at every turn...so really if Loghain had somehow lived, it wouldn't have surprised me...lol I haven't had a playthrough this random since my very first...who by the way did accidently spare Loghain. Ahh the old days, didn't know to save manually, and couldn't back out of the conversation...

[Kryyptehk]

I only have two "canon" characters, and I'm about to redo one (my elven mage who was the very first playthrough that I finished). They're Neve, my elven mage who romanced Alistair and concentrated on being a Grey Warden with him. The other is Aurora Cousland, who became queen with Alistair and the only character of mine who has been through Awakening. Probably my only character at that.