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[Lara Denton]

cmessaz wrote...

OMG, did you folks notice that the pearl mod now includes Cullen? I don't know whether to  or

You can try this mod to change him a bit.

[cmessaz]

Mel_Redux wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

OMG, did you folks notice that the pearl mod now includes Cullen? I don't know whether to  or

I loved Cullen, until I got the epilogue card that said he went batsh*t crazy.  "Oh, we wasn't cute and bumbling, he was psychotic!!!"

Ha I know. I had a big squeee when I found out he had a crush on the PC, till I also found out he was a crazy bastard.

[cmessaz]

laradenton wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

OMG, did you folks notice that the pearl mod now includes Cullen? I don't know whether to  or

You can try this mod to change him a bit.

Yep! I use it.

So I had some thoughts that I want to share on Loghain. So some argue that he did not "plan" to abandon Cailen, right?

Modifié par cmessaz, 22 mai 2010 - 03:46 .

[nos_astra]

cmessaz wrote...

laradenton wrote...

cmessaz wrote...OMG, did you folks notice that the pearl mod now includes Cullen? I don't know whether to  or

You can try this mod to change him a bit.

Yep! I use it.

Woah, need this Cullen face morph. I never understood the Cullen squee but with this face he's certainly squeeable ... even though he's a nutter.

Modifié par klarabella, 22 mai 2010 - 03:47 .

[cmessaz]

OK, so I'm playing through the HN origin. If Arl Howe didn't know about what was going to happen at Ostagar, would he really do what he did? Knowing that Fergus and his men would eventually come back, and knowing the following that House Cousland has? It seems to me that he KNEW that Fergus would not be returning. Is my logic flawed here? So those who say that Loghain did not "plan" to abandon Cailen, how do you explain this?

[Lara Denton]

klarabella wrote...

Woah, need this Cullen face morph. I never understood the Cullen squee but with this face he's certainly squeeable ... even though he's a nutter.

Before using that mod, my mages never had a crush on him. Now, the more naive ones, even get to kiss him.
Either way, the fate ultimately sets them with another (almost) templar. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

[Lara Denton]

cmessaz wrote...

OK, so I'm playing through the HN origin. If Arl Howe didn't know about what was going to happen at Ostagar, would he really do what he did? Knowing that Fergus and his men would eventually come back, and knowing the following that House Cousland has? It seems to me that he KNEW that Fergus would not be returning. Is my logic flawed here? So those who say that Loghain did not "plan" to abandon Cailen, how do you explain this?

You're walking onto a mined field with that question.
But since this is Alistair's thread, Loghain did plan to abandon the king and Howe knew the battle was set to be a disaster.

[cmessaz]

Lara- exactly! I would like to hear arguments otherwise, I just don't understand the other PoV.

[Lara Denton]

cmessaz wrote...

Lara- exactly! I would like to hear arguments otherwise, I just don't understand the other PoV.

I've read through threads about this, but I never found a middle ground. There is either one way or the other. I'd say you should go on with your beliefs, this is something that will never get settled.

[Bratt1204]

cmessaz wrote...

OK, so I'm playing through the HN origin. If Arl Howe didn't know about what was going to happen at Ostagar, would he really do what he did? Knowing that Fergus and his men would eventually come back, and knowing the following that House Cousland has? It seems to me that he KNEW that Fergus would not be returning. Is my logic flawed here? So those who say that Loghain did not "plan" to abandon Cailen, how do you explain this?

I absolutely believe Loghain and Howe planned everything - together. 

[Serissia]

I personally always believe that everything was preemptive since Arl Eamon was poisoned before Ostagar.

[cmessaz]

You are right , I'm just curious to see another PoV, I don't get how one could think otherwise.

DADDY!

[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

I personally always believe that everything was preemptive since Arl Eamon was poisoned before Ostagar.

Ha, another point I never considered, as obvious as it is.

[sylvanaerie]

Mel_Redux wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

OMG, did you folks notice that the pearl mod now includes Cullen? I don't know whether to  or

I loved Cullen, until I got the epilogue card that said he went batsh*t crazy.  "Oh, we wasn't cute and bumbling, he was psychotic!!!"

LOL the Arl Howe one was pretty funny

[Bratt1204]

cmessaz wrote...

You are right , I'm just curious to see another PoV, I don't get how one could think otherwise.

DADDY!

I never get sick of the HN storyline, the writing is just fantastic. I just <3 my Cousland family and miss Fergus.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I tend to be middle ground. I believe Loghain was planning something well before Ostagar, given that he poisoned the Arl before Ostagar, and was working on other fronts (Alliance with Howe). However, I'm not 100% convinced that abaondoning the king at Ostagar was in the cards. It seems more like he was waiting until Ostagar was over, and planned on confronting him in the Landsmeet, allies and all, maybe even staging a coup.



Though I think once in Ostagar, before the battle, he came to a point where he decided before the battle that he was bailing out, and would take his chances with the plans he set in motion.

[cmessaz]

But to me that doesn't explain why Howe would do it. Sure overthrow Cailen, but Fergus? He had to know that Fergus wasn't going to return with Highever's army.

Modifié par cmessaz, 22 mai 2010 - 04:08 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Howe was an opportunist. The Couslands had been doing well by being staunch royalists. His death speech states he believes he was always entitled to more.



So, Loghain, who is planning on stirring the royal pot, maybe even deposing the king, looks like Howe's best meal ticket to advancement opportunities. And, without the king and royal family around, using the soon to be ensuing chaos, he can eliminate the family he always felt was standing in his way towards success and grander ambitions.



I think Gaider already stated Loghain pretty much didn't know about Howe's Cousland-slaying ambitions until after the fact. He was planning on Howe delyaing them at ostagar to weaken the king's support. But once the horse was out of the stable, and since Howe was his biggest ally, he wasn't about to punish him. So he rewarded him despite it.

[MelRedux]

cmessaz wrote...

But to me that doesn't explain why Howe would do it. Sure overthrow Cailen, but Fergus? He had to know that Fergus wasn't going to return with Highever's army.

Or he could ahve jsut seen an opportunity and seized it.  I'd think that Highever would be a lot easier to defend, than attack.

[sylvanaerie]

D Gaider has said Howe acted on his own. Loghain had no part in the slaughter of the Couslands. He was as surprised as the king when he heard the news. Of course afterward, there was no excuse to cozy up to that viper and protect him aside from picking Howe's more nasty brain to get the dirty deeds done. I do believe some of what got proposed was Howe's ideas but Loghain offering his protection makes him as much as (if not more) culpable for what happened.

Coup before hand? No I think it was mroe a contingency plan and an attempt to be rid of the Gray Wardens (Orlesians) so Loghain could lead Ferelden against the Blight. More fool he, I would let him live if at the moment you find out just how to kill an archdemon the bastard turns to you and say "Damn I guess killing them all in Ostagar wasn't one of my better ideas..." Would be worth losing Alistair just to hear him admit what a collossal idiot he is.

As for Cailan, Loghain DID try to get him to NOT be front lines but by the time the battle took place he had washed his hands of Cailan;'s fate and rationalized it as "well its his fault the damn fool".

[Lara Denton]

cmessaz wrote...

But to me that doesn't explain why Howe would do it. Sure overthrow Cailen, but Fergus? He had to know that Fergus wasn't going to return with Highever's army.

And more: the king promises justice to the HN, which means he intended to punish Howe, so, somehow, Howe knew there was nothing to fear. Also, in order for Loghain to be unchallenged to the throne, the Couslands needed to disappear.

And so on...

[cmessaz]

sylvanaerie wrote...

D Gaider has said Howe acted on his own. Loghain had no part in the slaughter of the Couslands. He was as surprised as the king when he heard the news. Of course afterward, there was no excuse to cozy up to that viper and protect him aside from picking Howe's more nasty brain to get the dirty deeds done. I do believe some of what got proposed was Howe's ideas but Loghain offering his protection makes him as much as (if not more) culpable for what happened.
Coup before hand? No I think it was mroe a contingency plan and an attempt to be rid of the Gray Wardens (Orlesians) so Loghain could lead Ferelden against the Blight. More fool he, I would let him live if at the moment you find out just how to kill an archdemon the bastard turns to you and say "Damn I guess killing them all in Ostagar wasn't one of my better ideas..." Would be worth losing Alistair just to hear him admit what a collossal idiot he is.
As for Cailan, Loghain DID try to get him to NOT be front lines but by the time the battle took place he had washed his hands of Cailan;'s fate and rationalized it as "well its his fault the damn fool".

I know Loghain had no part in the attack. What I am saying is that Howe had to know that Fergus and Highever's armies would not be returning.

[LadyDamodred]

Serissia wrote...

@Lady D
Since you do a lot of playing around w/ Winter Forge and the noble clothing perhaps you can answer a question. Does the dress Anora is wearing have a male counterpart?

The Noble Clothing Sets A, B and C are all unisex, you can throw them on any gender and they appear correctly.  The Anora dress is set B and I *think* it has the same appearance as Bryce's does.

I'm prolly going to play with it some more and upload screenshots later

[sylvanaerie]

wouldn't be that hard to arrange. Maybe Howe intended on going after them as well and Fergus wouldn't see it coming till it was too late. (as Howe expected no survivors to warn Fergus).

[LadyDamodred]

laradenton wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

But to me that doesn't explain why Howe would do it. Sure overthrow Cailen, but Fergus? He had to know that Fergus wasn't going to return with Highever's army.

And more: the king promises justice to the HN, which means he intended to punish Howe, so, somehow, Howe knew there was nothing to fear. Also, in order for Loghain to be unchallenged to the throne, the Couslands needed to disappear.

And so on...

I think Howe also planned on no one escaping from Highever and being able to set the Couslands up, per what Duncan says to Cailan when you first meet him.

Okay, how beautiful is this shot of Alistair?

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 22 mai 2010 - 04:20 .