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[sylvanaerie]

My HNF;s always marry him and rule together but that is metagaming on my part knowing the game is set up to not have any of the combinations of rulers produce an heir. I figure I will have my girl marry the boy she loves and they can live happily ever after till one or the other has their Calling (and I would follow Alistair into the deep roads if his was first). As they were recruited around the same time though (6 months apart) they might just get them together unless one or the other starts turning too fast for whatever reason.

For RP reasons I would probably go the mistress route on that too and ask for Teryna of Gwaren from him. Alistair's duty as king is to produce an heir and with the taint thats not an option for them if PC and Alistair get married. Just because someone is a mistress in a royal household doesn't mean they have to be some forgotten little servant girl or accept whatever scraps the king gives them. As chancellor you have more power than his queen would have since you take charge when he's not at court. I see it quite the opposite of :"bit on the side". YOU have Alistair's love and loyalty and the queen (esp if she never does get with a child) has what...boring political functions where she has to look pretty and be charming /yawwwwwn. Yea being a queen in a political marriage with even a total package guy like Alistair would be hell. Love is much better but royalty don't always get to choose their partners. Sometimes all they can have is a lovely loving woman they can be devoted to discreetly.

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...

My HNF;s always marry him and rule together but that is metagaming on my part knowing the game is set up to not have any of the combinations of rulers produce an heir. I figure I will have my girl marry the boy she loves and they can live happily ever after till one or the other has their Calling (and I would follow Alistair into the deep roads if his was first). As they were recruited around the same time though (6 months apart) they might just get them together unless one or the other starts turning too fast for whatever reason.
For RP reasons I would probably go the mistress route on that too and ask for Teryna of Gwaren from him. Alistair's duty as king is to produce an heir and with the taint thats not an option for them if PC and Alistair get married. Just because someone is a mistress in a royal household doesn't mean they have to be some forgotten little servant girl or accept whatever scraps the king gives them. As chancellor you have more power than his queen would have since you take charge when he's not at court. I see it quite the opposite of :"bit on the side". YOU have Alistair's love and loyalty and the queen (esp if she never does get with a child) has what...boring political functions where she has to look pretty and be charming /yawwwwwn. Yea being a queen in a political marriage with even a total package guy like Alistair would be hell. Love is much better but royalty don't always get to choose their partners. Sometimes all they can have is a lovely loving woman they can be devoted to discreetly.

Oh, I totally agree about being Alistair's mistress not being a bit on the side, as that's what my elf mage does.  She feels bad for whoever Alistair has to marry, but oh wells!  She is not giving her little templar up, and she chooses to be Chancellor.  Besides, she never expected to marry anyway, or even to fall in love.  Having this is more than enough for her.

As for CE/DE girls... I've never played one that romances Alistair.  Not sure what I would have them do.  My Dalish would probably not be his mistress, doesn't seem to fit the way I RP them.  City elf?  Again, depends on how I RP.  A harder character wouldn't consent to it, I don't think.  *ponders*

[SurelyForth]

The problem I encountered with my main HNF is that she didn't realize she loved him until well after the Landsmeet. It would have been hard for her to justify naming herself queen, knowing that she was uncertain about her feelings and knowing how he felt about his birthright. I imagined it striking her as being far too opportunistic and, if it turned out that she really did not love him the way he loved her, he would be trapped and she would feel no better than Anora or Eamon.



I've had previous HNF's who loved him and married him but I didn't like those characters as much. The ending has its upsides, there is definite appeal in becoming Queen, but it wasn't a good fit for this PC and, because I love her more than anything, it's made me see the merits in the alternative.

[sylvanaerie]

my DE romanced Alistair (just can't keep my virtual fingers off the boy he's like CGI heroin) and she put Anora on the throne. In her mind, this whole human politics was utter bullsh*t and Alistair had said he didn't want to be king and she didn't want Eamon and the rest of the nobles corrupting and possibly ruining the one tiny bright and beautiful thing she had found since Duncan had ripped her from her clan. So she let Anora keep her throne since she wanted it so badly and Rhiannon and Alistair went off to be Gray Wardens together (after she got the "land for the Dalish" boon from Anora).

[cmessaz]

Seriously folks, Alistair probably wouldn't be able to make an heir regardless. So the marriage may be pointess. We already know that Cailen couldn't get Anora pregnant, so Alistair being able to is unlikely. So the heir thing isn't gonna happen anyway. Like I said before, not producing an heir is a good setup for war in a later game! I tried the mistress route my last playthrough and while it was sweet, I just don't like it. I am the Hero of Ferelden, and people respect me, but they won't so much after they discover that king and I are having fun on the side. I respect other people's opinion on it, but it is my opinion that Alistair is happy as a Grey Warden, so if I am not going to marry him, I make Anora queen and we run off together.

And I NEVER make him marry that horrible woman. I wouldn't make my dog marry her! *hates anora*

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 avril 2010 - 03:50 .

[Thalorin1919]

cmessaz wrote...

Seriously folks, Alistair probably wouldn't be able to make an heir regardless. So the marriage may be pointess. We already know that Cailen couldn't get Anora pregnant, so Alistair being able to is unlikely. So the heir thing isn't gonna happen anyway. Like I said before, not producing an heir is a good setup for war in a later game! I tried the mistress route my last playthrough and while it was sweet, I just don't like it. I am the Hero of Ferelden, and people respect me, but they won't so much after they discover that king and I are having fun on the side. I respect other people's opinion on it, but it is my opinion that Alistair is happy as a Grey Warden, so if I am not going to marry him, I make Anora queen and we run off together.

And I NEVER make him marry that horrible woman. I wouldn't make my dog marry her! *hates anora*

Yeah, I have a good feeling neither Anora or Alistair wont produce an heir, regardless of who they marry. It does set up for another war in a future game, but that would sadly mean the Theirin line ends with Alistair.

Unless another Maric bastard shows up, such as the Fiona/Maric child. But I dont even think that would do anything. Considering Alistair is what....25-30? He will be 55-60 years old once his calling comes, and therefore the throne will be empty with no other heir. And the other bastard would probably be to old to take both the throne and make an heir.

As someone said earlier, it's highly likely we will see a new royal line assume the throne, or its even possible Ferelden could disinegrate back into warring factions, but I see that as highly unlikely.

[cmessaz]

I can't wait to read the books. Hey if you don't take the Teryna of Gweren (or whatever) boon, who gets the job? The Couslands can have a nice settup, here.....

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

I just can't stand to be his mistress. As a person, I wouldn't be able to stand by while he married someone else and I just got her sloppy seconds.

I think it's the other way around, actually.    I guess, being a history buff, I'm used to the idea of political marriages.  They were more common than love matches among the nobility to be sure.  And as I've said else-thread, the comparison that also comes to mind is Chani vs. the political wife's Irulan.  I am sure they would have to endure backtalk, but I don't see it as un-heroic at all.  It's something forced on them by racism and the political reality.  There is no ideal, completely pain-free happy ending in this game.  And keeping Anora as sole ruler doesn't qualify as a happy ending for me, either.

I actually just ordered the calling and the stolen throne, and am eager to read them. I have heard many good things. The story with Urna (I think that was her name anyway) in Awakening has gotten me curious.

Utha...  Sorry if I spoilered you.  They are good books.

[sylvanaerie]

I think it falls then to either Couslands or a progeny of Teagan (Eamon's wife seems to keep popping out mages). The Theirin bloodline will end with Alistair (one reason I believe you have so many options with him king/no king, execute, exile whatever) and the next game will be set decades later maybe right after Alistair sets aside his crown (if king) and goes to do his calling or upon Anora's death. And the political upheavel that will ensue as everyone with even a tiny claim to the throne tries to seize it.



I think that would make for an interesting backdrop (on a human or elven level) can't really see how they will involve the dwarves unless you made Bhelen king.

[cmessaz]

No, you didn't  I already heard a lot and it wasn't from you. I just will not be his mistress again. My Dalish is too proud, and my city elf just wants to run off, not sit around the city and sleep with the king on the side. My human mage was semi-ok with it, but that is just because of the way I RP her. And even that isn't going to last, the second she finds out about an upcoming marriage for Alistair she will be gone. I think the ending is pretty well done. Yes it made me hate the swamp witch, but good storytelling.
And thanks for correcting the name Utha for me. I sort of feel like a jack a**

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 avril 2010 - 04:06 .

[cmessaz]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I think it falls then to either Couslands or a progeny of Teagan (Eamon's wife seems to keep popping out mages). The Theirin bloodline will end with Alistair (one reason I believe you have so many options with him king/no king, execute, exile whatever) and the next game will be set decades later maybe right after Alistair sets aside his crown (if king) and goes to do his calling or upon Anora's death. And the political upheavel that will ensue as everyone with even a tiny claim to the throne tries to seize it.

I think that would make for an interesting backdrop (on a human or elven level) can't really see how they will involve the dwarves unless you made Bhelen king.

LMAO  I HATE Isolde! Darn mage poppin, lying, funny talking dumb woman.

[cmessaz]

imported_beer wrote...

Did you know when Alistair gives his first "I think I like you, do you feel the same way?: tick a box yes/no" conversation, if you give the "too soon to say", he smooches your pc anyway?

Yes I discovered that after going through the toolset.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

I can't wait to read the books. Hey if you don't take the Teryna of Gweren (or whatever) boon, who gets the job? The Couslands can have a nice settup, here.....

I don't recall reading that anywhere.  It certainly does set the Couslands up for a great deal of power if they hold both teyrnirs in the land.  I think what Alistair says is appropriate, though- it's justice that the Warden should receive Loghain's lands and holdings.

[Addai]

imported_beer wrote...

Did you know when Alistair gives his first "I think I like you, do you feel the same way?: tick a box yes/no" conversation, if you give the "too soon to say", he smooches your pc anyway?

Yes, I discovered that on one of my conflicted characters.  It's rather persuasive actually. 

[cmessaz]

And power is good. I see the Couslands as a respectable family, at least from my perspective, and I think that they would be the logical choice for succession if my Cousland and Alistair don't produce an heir. I am not hopeless of the GW taint thing. There are ways around it! Look at Avernus! I think that it might be possible to produce an heir.

[sylvanaerie]

imported_beer wrote...

Did you know when Alistair gives his first "I think I like you, do you feel the same way?: tick a box yes/no" conversation, if you give the "too soon to say", he smooches your pc anyway?

OMG I SO have to say that next playthrough...!

[cmessaz]

Seriously, go through the toolset. I can't say that enough. You will be surprised how many ways conversations with Alistair (and others) can go. I was always afraid to call him a royal bastard until I went through the toolset. There are other things that I would not have ordinarily said that lead to interesting dialogue.

And if you go that route, just so you know, you will get less approval.

Modifié par cmessaz, 11 avril 2010 - 04:14 .

[SurelyForth]

imported_beer wrote...

Did you know when Alistair gives his first "I think I like you, do you feel the same way?: tick a box yes/no" conversation, if you give the "too soon to say", he smooches your pc anyway?

I love that and blushed in real life the first time it happened. It's actually pretty perfect for a character who wants to remain non-committal. It's also a pretty good argument for becoming committal (and his expression afterwards is too cute). 

I'm going to now share my favorite VO comment for Alistair (both because of how it's stated and how perfectly it comes across in the game):

Alistair: I'm willing to...give it a shot, if you are. (awkward as hell)

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 avril 2010 - 04:18 .

[Spectre Piatch]

Fangirls!

=D



( Well, I was one of the first to upload the FemHN / King Alistairs Scenes from Awakening.. ~ehem )

[nos_astra]

imported_beer wrote...
Did you know when Alistair gives his first "I think I like you, do you feel the same way?: tick a box yes/no" conversation, if you give the "too soon to say", he smooches your pc anyway?

I love that option. I use it every time.

[cmessaz]

I now can get 10 approval points out of the rose conversation! I never thought that possible.

[Thalorin1919]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I think it falls then to either Couslands or a progeny of Teagan (Eamon's wife seems to keep popping out mages). The Theirin bloodline will end with Alistair (one reason I believe you have so many options with him king/no king, execute, exile whatever) and the next game will be set decades later maybe right after Alistair sets aside his crown (if king) and goes to do his calling or upon Anora's death. And the political upheavel that will ensue as everyone with even a tiny claim to the throne tries to seize it.

I think that would make for an interesting backdrop (on a human or elven level) can't really see how they will involve the dwarves unless you made Bhelen king.

The throne would most likely fall to the Couslands. Considering they are the most powerful family in Ferelden. The only other family that could really make a grab at the throne are the Guerrins, since Queen Rowan was a Guerrin.

[LadyDamodred]

Anyone with enough strength can take the throne, though I do believe the Landsmeet would very much prefer a current noble family to take the throne. So I think it would fall to Fergus's or Teagan's kids, leaning more towards Fergus.