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[soignee]

My Aeducan is Lady Lara Croft with daggers, with a bit of Ripley thrown in for the commander aspect. I like tough chicks. The Alistair Thing is the only aspect of her personality that makes no sense.

[Sarah1281]

Merilsell wrote...

Oh I feel your pain, Sarah.

It's like having a Dalish in a story who is knowing everything about human culture, it's not that she/he has to ask "What is a templar" 'Why do you lock up the mages in a tower' for example...because she/he already knows it. Glad that Mahariels clan apparently also taught the Dalish PC about everything else in Ferelden. How very convenient. W00t. >.>

Seriously FF's are a world on its own and I will always fail to understand most of it.

As for the HNF/Alistair romance it can work out...at least I've played her as a 'Meeh **** you Orzammar, I go wardening with (unhardened) Alistair'- type. My Lady Aeducan simply had enough of all the ****. Though I must say that the romance felt more natural with an elf or human. Sigh.

It keeps amazing me how many basic things a dwarf from Orzammar just wouldn't know about the Surface and thus has to ask but might not because everyone else know these things and they don't want to look ignorant.

[sylvanaerie]

lol mine looks soft till you ****** her off. All that roundness hides steel. Though if I were to make a Brosca she would be alot leaner/hungrier looking. I tend to think of my L Aeducan as pampered (honestly she needs an escort to the Provings where she will be fighting???) LOL but capable as a leader and commander. Her brother proved a little more cutthroat than she.

And she was the only one of my PCs who actually DID want to join the wardens before she was forced to.

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

My Aeducan is Lady Lara Croft with daggers, with a bit of Ripley thrown in for the commander aspect. I like tough chicks. The Alistair Thing is the only aspect of her personality that makes no sense.

I know you can't help who you fall in love with but I know that whenever I meet a guy and my first impression of him is 'Damn, he looks my brother' that means that I will never, ever be interested in him under any circumstances ever. That might not bother some people, I guess, but that much of a resembance would bother me and given my first thought upon seeing Bhelen was 'Damn, he look like a dwarven Alistair' that means it is never going to happen for any DN I play. She's just not attracted to Bhelen and thus not attracted to a human who looks just like him.

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...
 It keeps amazing me how many basic things a dwarf from Orzammar just wouldn't know about the Surface and thus has to ask but might not because everyone else know these things and they don't want to look ignorant.

Depends really. If your Aeducan is voraciously curious then they've read about some matters and can make it up as they go along easier then most "first time surfacers" would. They would aleady knew what surface plants were like even if they didn't last very long, as an example.  As Daddy's favourite you will have access to the best of the best offered, remember.

My Brosca on the other hand reacted so violently to the surface the first time she threw up.

Merilsell wrote...

Oh I feel your pain, Sarah.

It's
like having a Dalish in a story who is knowing everything about human
culture, it's not that she/he has to ask "What is a templar" 'Why do you
lock up the mages in a tower' for example...because she/he already
knows it. Glad that Mahariels clan apparently also taught the Dalish PC
about everything else in Ferelden. How very convenient. W00t. >.>
.

Surely a Dalish would know what a Templar is? Keepers are mages and therefore apostates in the eyes of the Chantry, so would be used to being hunted down, surely?

[mellifera]

Do templars regularly hunt Keepers and their apprentices, though?

[Sandtigress]

soignee wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Oh I feel your pain, Sarah.

It's
like having a Dalish in a story who is knowing everything about human
culture, it's not that she/he has to ask "What is a templar" 'Why do you
lock up the mages in a tower' for example...because she/he already
knows it. Glad that Mahariels clan apparently also taught the Dalish PC
about everything else in Ferelden. How very convenient. W00t. >.>
.

Surely a Dalish would know what a Templar is? Keepers are mages and therefore apostates in the eyes of the Chantry, so would be used to being hunted down, surely?

Not necessarily - I'm not sure that much of the outside world knows that keepers use magic.  Duncan is quite surprised by what the Keeper can do to save the PC.  Since the Dalish work so hard to stay away from humans and not cause trouble, I would think that such knowledge is limited.  After all, only a few templars have ever even gone after Flemeth/Morrigan, and a lot more is "known" about the Witch of the Wilds than the Dalish, I would think.


And to Merrisell - yeah, my Dalish was completely unaware of the fact that Alistair's heritage was actually important, or that he was a serious contender for the throne, because things just don't work like that in the clan.  She's the former Keeper's daughter after all, and in no way in line to be the next Keeper (though I imagine that perhaps the clan hoped she would be) so it just didn't mean all that much that he was a bastard prince.  Imagine her surprise then when Eamon brings out the "Oh yeah, we're going to put Alistair on the throne, even though he doesn't want it!"  <--- My Dalish

[Emerald Melios]

yukidama wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

TMP has given me a reason to wear leather armor again. THANKS!

Okay, I've been meaning to ask: where's this mod?

tmp's proportions fix mod includes a unisex light armor

elves: http://social.bioware.com/project/2632
humans: http://social.biowar...m/project/2660/

I'll give it a shot.

[soignee]

yukidama wrote...

Do templars regularly hunt Keepers and their apprentices, though?

it's "unkept" magic, why wouldn't they? Morrigan talks about them trying to take on the "witch of the wilds" so why would the Dalish be given a free pass?

[mellifera]

I dunno though. The Witch of the Wilds is one individual. Any hostile action would certainly be repaid in full by the Dalish. If they desire a full out war with the Dalish then yes, I think they'd go after the Keepers. Otherwise, compounded by their nomadic nature I think they might be safe from the templars.

[LadyDamodred]

soignee wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Do templars regularly hunt Keepers and their apprentices, though?

it's "unkept" magic, why wouldn't they? Morrigan talks about them trying to take on the "witch of the wilds" so why would the Dalish be given a free pass?

Because hunting one apostate is a lot different from hunting Dalish clan leaders.  The entire clan would defend the keeper.  I don't think that's something the templars really want to mess with.

The Dalish are pretty aloof.  I'd say it's probably fair that most people, including the Chantry and the templars, have little to no idea of how much magic the Dalish really have, though I'm sure they must know they have some.

[Emerald Melios]

You notice how there's some dead templars in the Brecilian Forest?

[Lady Jess]

soignee wrote...

Alistair and Aeducan works, so nurrr. *cuddles them both protectively*

There's not "set" way to RP an Aeducan. I know that your personal canon can greatly affect how you deal with other people's vision so to speak, but it's their sandbox. The way I am approaching it in fanfic is that love is unexplainable and even if you know that it's going to end badly and/or it doesn't work all the time, you do it anyway because you just can't bring yourself *not* to. And even if it ends up to be a doofus with fussy hair and/or a cheese obsession who says really, really stupid things at the wrong time, well. Nobody's perfect.

Also my first Aeducan (and the one who is my canon Aeducan!) didn't romance Gorim!

It did work, for a while at least for mine. I just look at them at the start while I'm painstakingly prodding them in the toolset and reloading til they're perfect (for me) and decide those little things in advance. Now, with Aidan, I thought she'd be with Alistair. I hit a road bump when the romance started but I kept going. By the time the landsmeet started, and I saw Gorim, I just couldn't let her stay with yet another man that couldn't be "all hers".

I figure as they headed towards Redcliffe afterwards, Zev stayed by her side, was her shoulder to lean on, and by the time they reached camp..well it was the perfect time for that massage offfer. He turned out to be right for her. Alot of things turned out to be right for her that I never planned on. My best playthrough yet.

Also, thanks in part to Missa I can't see my Duster romancing anyone BUT Zevran. I just don't know how to do that one slowly. The whole after-tent speech before he hiys love is so...ugh

It's so unfair you can't tease Alistair about the lamppost though, without it triggering the romance. Guys can...grrrrr

[mellifera]

Emerald Melios wrote...

You notice how there's some dead templars in the Brecilian Forest?

There's also blood mages there. It's a good hiding place.

[soignee]

LadyDamodred wrote...

soignee wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Do templars regularly hunt Keepers and their apprentices, though?

it's "unkept" magic, why wouldn't they? Morrigan talks about them trying to take on the "witch of the wilds" so why would the Dalish be given a free pass?

Because hunting one apostate is a lot different from hunting Dalish clan leaders.  The entire clan would defend the keeper.  I don't think that's something the templars really want to mess with.

The Dalish are pretty aloof.  I'd say it's probably fair that most people, including the Chantry and the templars, have little to no idea of how much magic the Dalish really have, though I'm sure they must know they have some.

IDK how accurate the wiki is but I pulled this from there:

The Keepers are the Dalish mages, though each clan will seldom or never have more than two mages. These mages are the Keeper and the Keeper's apprentice. The apprentice is referred to as the First (First
meaning the next in line of succession). The Templars are aware that each Dalish clan has a Keeper and so hunt the Dalish. This is one of the reasons why the elves remain nomadic.

From: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper

Modifié par soignee, 23 mai 2010 - 06:47 .

[Addai]

Emerald Melios wrote...

You notice how there's some dead templars in the Brecilian Forest?

Right, though you also get a quest from the mage's collective to hunt some maleficar in the Brecilian Forest. But I assume since the templars hunt the witches of the wild, they would periodically try to hunt down maleficar (which to them is any mage outside the Chantry) in the wilds.  Probably sending off people like the poor guy who gets ensorcelled in the Tower- they said that was what they were going to do to him, send him off on a goose chase hunting a fence mage.

[Herr Uhl]

They know that they can't actually get all of the keepers, but still have the policy that they should. That is at least what I think.

Edit: As in claiming that they will without actually trying.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 23 mai 2010 - 06:51 .

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

soignee wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Do templars regularly hunt Keepers and their apprentices, though?

it's "unkept" magic, why wouldn't they? Morrigan talks about them trying to take on the "witch of the wilds" so why would the Dalish be given a free pass?

Because hunting one apostate is a lot different from hunting Dalish clan leaders.  The entire clan would defend the keeper.  I don't think that's something the templars really want to mess with.

The Dalish are pretty aloof.  I'd say it's probably fair that most people, including the Chantry and the templars, have little to no idea of how much magic the Dalish really have, though I'm sure they must know they have some.

IDK how accurate the wiki is but I pulled this from there:

The Keepers are the Dalish mages, though each clan will seldom or never have more than two mages. These mages are the Keeper and the Keeper's apprentice. The apprentice is referred to as the First (First
meaning the next in line of succession). The Templars are aware that each Dalish clan has a Keeper and so hunt the Dalish. This is one of the reasons why the elves remain nomadic.

From: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper

It is SUCH BS that the Chantry feels it has any right to try and regulate the Dalish magic. Maybe when they start turning into abominations en masse and endangering human settlements then they might have a leg to stand on . I hate the Chantry. I approve of their work to help the needy but they should not have political power. Has any good ever come from the Chantry having political power? They just use it to go after mages and to declare Exalted Marches on non-Andrastians.

[sylvanaerie]

Sandtigress wrote...

soignee wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Oh I feel your pain, Sarah.

It's
like having a Dalish in a story who is knowing everything about human
culture, it's not that she/he has to ask "What is a templar" 'Why do you
lock up the mages in a tower' for example...because she/he already
knows it. Glad that Mahariels clan apparently also taught the Dalish PC
about everything else in Ferelden. How very convenient. W00t. >.>
.

Surely a Dalish would know what a Templar is? Keepers are mages and therefore apostates in the eyes of the Chantry, so would be used to being hunted down, surely?

Not necessarily - I'm not sure that much of the outside world knows that keepers use magic.  Duncan is quite surprised by what the Keeper can do to save the PC.  Since the Dalish work so hard to stay away from humans and not cause trouble, I would think that such knowledge is limited.  After all, only a few templars have ever even gone after Flemeth/Morrigan, and a lot more is "known" about the Witch of the Wilds than the Dalish, I would think.


And to Merrisell - yeah, my Dalish was completely unaware of the fact that Alistair's heritage was actually important, or that he was a serious contender for the throne, because things just don't work like that in the clan.  She's the former Keeper's daughter after all, and in no way in line to be the next Keeper (though I imagine that perhaps the clan hoped she would be) so it just didn't mean all that much that he was a bastard prince.  Imagine her surprise then when Eamon brings out the "Oh yeah, we're going to put Alistair on the throne, even though he doesn't want it!"  <--- My Dalish

LOL that was my Dalish too.  It was a WTF??? Moment for her.  She hated Eamon and if she hadn't needed him for all that politics crap she would have just killed him and let Teagan take over.

[Lady Jess]

yukidama wrote...


Then again, I do dislike ~delicate flower with innocent shining eyes~ Aeducans... If you want to write/draw/play that it's your prerogative though, it doesn't bother me xD

No new Alistair pics, have a barefoot Aeducan beating a genlock with her shield

Ya mean like....



lol

[Sandtigress]

soignee wrote...

IDK how accurate the wiki is but I pulled this from there:

The Keepers are the Dalish mages, though each clan will seldom or never have more than two mages. These mages are the Keeper and the Keeper's apprentice. The apprentice is referred to as the First (First
meaning the next in line of succession). The Templars are aware that each Dalish clan has a Keeper and so hunt the Dalish. This is one of the reasons why the elves remain nomadic.

From: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper

Yeah, see, I agree with questioning the accuracy.  There's no game lore that corroborates any of that, that I know of, unless it comes straight from a dev's mouth (which is possible, I suppose).  Having done the origin many times for fic research, and having done the Dalish quest many times, and reading the books and having someone look up the info in the RPG manual for me...it's just not there.

They're nomadic for a bunch of reasons - one of which is that people just hate them and are suspicious in general.

[sylvanaerie]

Lady Jess wrote...

yukidama wrote...


Then again, I do dislike ~delicate flower with innocent shining eyes~ Aeducans... If you want to write/draw/play that it's your prerogative though, it doesn't bother me xD

No new Alistair pics, have a barefoot Aeducan beating a genlock with her shield

Ya mean like....



lol

She looks like a cousin of mine in this shot (back when we were younger)

[LadyDamodred]

soignee wrote...
IDK how accurate the wiki is but I pulled this from there:

The Keepers are the Dalish mages, though each clan will seldom or never have more than two mages. These mages are the Keeper and the Keeper's apprentice. The apprentice is referred to as the First (First
meaning the next in line of succession). The Templars are aware that each Dalish clan has a Keeper and so hunt the Dalish. This is one of the reasons why the elves remain nomadic.

From: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper

Hmmm.  Interesting.  It might be one of those areas that's not fully fleshed/thought out.  The Dalish don't seem to have any fear of the Chantry, besides hating it for the Exalted March.

[mellifera]

LadyDamodred wrote...

soignee wrote...
IDK how accurate the wiki is but I pulled this from there:

The Keepers are the Dalish mages, though each clan will seldom or never have more than two mages. These mages are the Keeper and the Keeper's apprentice. The apprentice is referred to as the First (First
meaning the next in line of succession). The Templars are aware that each Dalish clan has a Keeper and so hunt the Dalish. This is one of the reasons why the elves remain nomadic.

From: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper

Hmmm.  Interesting.  It might be one of those areas that's not fully fleshed/thought out.  The Dalish don't seem to have any fear of the Chantry, besides hating it for the Exalted March.

Yeah, that's what I think as well. <_<

[Addai]

I have to re-do Esra's final game so she can wear the nice Duncan robes.    I never noticed before that you get a Persuade where you can tell Alistair "Surely sleeping with Morrigan isn't so high a price."  Not that my PC would ever, ever, ever say that, but I tried it out to see what he says.  He agrees that if it will do what you say it will do, that it isn't.



And then he does his sad little disgusted face.  Poor guy. 

Modifié par Addai67, 23 mai 2010 - 06:56 .