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[Addai]

They are so cute together with this robe set.  Really channeling Fiona and Maric here.





We <3 tmp, oh yes we do!

[tmp7704]

LadyDamodred wrote...

The Dalish are pretty aloof.  I'd say it's probably fair that most people, including the Chantry and the templars, have little to no idea of how much magic the Dalish really have, though I'm sure they must know they have some.

I'd imagine it's not unusual to expect the Dalish to have at least basic idea of the Templars, the circles and other basic elements of the world around them. They do know the basics of human history (Andraste, the Imperium, war between them etc) and  it'd make very little sense for their Keepers to go out of their way to remain completely ignorant of more recent state of humanity, as the ignorance would make it more difficult for the Keeper to protect their clans from dangers. Also since Chantry sees it as their duty to spread the Chant everywhere, there's probably decent share of missionaries who attempt to come in contact with the elves. To various effect, no doubt but it still can be source of knowledge and news.

[Lady Jess]

yukidama wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

soignee wrote...
IDK how accurate the wiki is but I pulled this from there:

The Keepers are the Dalish mages, though each clan will seldom or never have more than two mages. These mages are the Keeper and the Keeper's apprentice. The apprentice is referred to as the First (First
meaning the next in line of succession). The Templars are aware that each Dalish clan has a Keeper and so hunt the Dalish. This is one of the reasons why the elves remain nomadic.

From: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper

Hmmm.  Interesting.  It might be one of those areas that's not fully fleshed/thought out.  The Dalish don't seem to have any fear of the Chantry, besides hating it for the Exalted March.

Yeah, that's what I think as well. <_<

Well it makes it interesting playing a Dalish mage at least. I can see mine being a little skittish about using magic outside the clan, and my only fellow warden being a former templar...lol

[sylvanaerie]

wow I have never seen any of those dialogue lines...



Poor kid he looks like he's about to be fed to the lions

[Addai]

tmp7704 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

The Dalish are pretty aloof.  I'd say it's probably fair that most people, including the Chantry and the templars, have little to no idea of how much magic the Dalish really have, though I'm sure they must know they have some.

I'd imagine it's not unusual to expect the Dalish to have at least basic idea of the Templars, the circles and other basic elements of the world around them. They do know the basics of human history (Andraste, the Imperium, war between them etc) and  it'd make very little sense for their Keepers to go out of their way to remain completely ignorant of more recent state of humanity, as the ignorance would make it more difficult for the Keeper to protect their clans from dangers. Also since Chantry sees it as their duty to spread the Chant everywhere, there's probably decent share of missionaries who attempt to come in contact with the elves. To various effect, no doubt but it still can be source of knowledge and news.

They also trade with humans, as you see in The Stolen Throne and in the game as well.  The Dalish in TST tell Loghain and Maric that not everyone in the clan speaks the king's tongue as well as he does, but that certain ones who deal with humans more frequently do.

Personally I dislike the image of the Dalish as ignorant and/or completely innocent of the world around them.  But, the game does point towards that by having Lanaya tell you that she's never seen a human city and can't imagine what one would be like.

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

wow I have never seen any of those dialogue lines...

Poor kid he looks like he's about to be fed to the lions

Do you usually take the first Persuade?  These come up if you say "I think this is for the best," then she told him she would do it herself if she could.

[tmp7704]

Sarah1281 wrote...

It is SUCH BS that the Chantry feels it has any right to try and regulate the Dalish magic. Maybe when they start turning into abominations en masse and endangering human settlements then they might have a leg to stand on .

But it only takes one mage to endanger human settlements (by mind-controlling a powerful noble and setting his forces on the neighbours for example). He doesn't even need to be abomination for that. And with the history between humans and elves the elves have more reasons to want to cause humans trouble like this, not less.

It's not about "having right", it's about sense of self-preservation and taking precautions towards reasonable danger.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

They also trade with humans, as you see in The Stolen Throne and in the game as well.  The Dalish in TST tell Loghain and Maric that not everyone in the clan speaks the king's tongue as well as he does, but that certain ones who deal with humans more frequently do.

Personally I dislike the image of the Dalish as ignorant and/or completely innocent of the world around them.  But, the game does point towards that by having Lanaya tell you that she's never seen a human city and can't imagine what one would be like.

Rather than ignorant, per say, I might go with naive or innocent.  They know things about the world, but in a more academic sense.  Lanaya knows about a human city, but has never experienced one.  I would think it's very similar to Morrigan - she knows about a lot of things, but has never experienced mountains or the ocean, though she wants to.

I also think that this might change depending on the clan you're in.  Lanaya's would have kept her very sheltered because of her own experiences with humans and Zathrian's prejudice against them.  Another clan might not be so far removed from human civilization and might be more wordly.

[mellifera]

Lady Jess wrote...

yukidama wrote...


Then again, I do dislike ~delicate flower with innocent shining eyes~ Aeducans... If you want to write/draw/play that it's your prerogative though, it doesn't bother me xD

No new Alistair pics, have a barefoot Aeducan beating a genlock with her shield

Ya mean like....



lol

Haha, I wasn't talking about appearance really, as much as making the character a weak, innocent, naive princess who needs to be rescued by her prince all the time. Not literally since the game won't really allow for it, but personality wise.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

wow I have never seen any of those dialogue lines...

Poor kid he looks like he's about to be fed to the lions

Do you usually take the first Persuade?  These come up if you say "I think this is for the best," then she told him she would do it herself if she could.

His response to that makes me laugh so hard.  "Look, just because I can...I have the right equipment to...it doesn't make it a good idea!" lol  It's so classically Alistair awkward....

[Addai]

Alfstanna looks even more badass than usual in the unisex armor.  Talk about eyebrow of doom.



If the whole Morrigan thing doesn't work out for my HNM or if he had to marry someone for political reasons, it would be her and not An:sick:ra.

[Sarah1281]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

It is SUCH BS that the Chantry feels it has any right to try and regulate the Dalish magic. Maybe when they start turning into abominations en masse and endangering human settlements then they might have a leg to stand on .

But it only takes one mage to endanger human settlements (by mind-controlling a powerful noble and setting his forces on the neighbours for example). He doesn't even need to be abomination for that. And with the history between humans and elves the elves have more reasons to want to cause humans trouble like this, not less.

It's not about "having right", it's about sense of self-preservation and taking precautions towards reasonable danger.

The Dalish, by and large, want nothing to do with humans and stay away from them. Sure there are mages like Velanna who go rogue but that's no different than, say, Jowan running from the Circle. Whilel the mages stay with the Clan (or even freaking lead it as the Keeper) they aren't off violently killing humans.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

Rather than ignorant, per say, I might go with naive or innocent.  They know things about the world, but in a more academic sense.  Lanaya knows about a human city, but has never experienced one.  I would think it's very similar to Morrigan - she knows about a lot of things, but has never experienced mountains or the ocean, though she wants to.

I also think that this might change depending on the clan you're in.  Lanaya's would have kept her very sheltered because of her own experiences with humans and Zathrian's prejudice against them.  Another clan might not be so far removed from human civilization and might be more wordly.

That's true.  It does appear that clans are not uniform in how they live.  Some live closer to human society and others not.

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

It is SUCH BS that the Chantry feels it has any right to try and regulate the Dalish magic. Maybe when they start turning into abominations en masse and endangering human settlements then they might have a leg to stand on .

But it only takes one mage to endanger human settlements (by mind-controlling a powerful noble and setting his forces on the neighbours for example). He doesn't even need to be abomination for that. And with the history between humans and elves the elves have more reasons to want to cause humans trouble like this, not less.

It's not about "having right", it's about sense of self-preservation and taking precautions towards reasonable danger.

The Dalish, by and large, want nothing to do with humans and stay away from them. Sure there are mages like Velanna who go rogue but that's no different than, say, Jowan running from the Circle. Whilel the mages stay with the Clan (or even freaking lead it as the Keeper) they aren't off violently killing humans.

You don't see a difference between Jowan and Velanna? The difference is that they did try with Jowan. That was because of incompetence, not just ignorance.

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

Alfstanna looks even more badass than usual in the unisex armor.  Talk about eyebrow of doom.



If the whole Morrigan thing doesn't work out for my HNM or if he had to marry someone for political reasons, it would be her and not An:sick:ra.

I like Alfstanna and Bryland. 

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

It is SUCH BS that the Chantry feels it has any right to try and regulate the Dalish magic. Maybe when they start turning into abominations en masse and endangering human settlements then they might have a leg to stand on .

But it only takes one mage to endanger human settlements (by mind-controlling a powerful noble and setting his forces on the neighbours for example). He doesn't even need to be abomination for that. And with the history between humans and elves the elves have more reasons to want to cause humans trouble like this, not less.

It's not about "having right", it's about sense of self-preservation and taking precautions towards reasonable danger.

The Dalish, by and large, want nothing to do with humans and stay away from them. Sure there are mages like Velanna who go rogue but that's no different than, say, Jowan running from the Circle. Whilel the mages stay with the Clan (or even freaking lead it as the Keeper) they aren't off violently killing humans.

You don't see a difference between Jowan and Velanna? The difference is that they did try with Jowan. That was because of incompetence, not just ignorance.

Who did try what with Jowan? The Chantry tried hunting him? I know that and I know that they caught him and Loghain had to intervene. The comparison I was making was that he left the Circle and was hunted down by Templars the same way Velanna left the policing of her clan and, had the Templars known she existed, would have been a more acceptable target than every Dalish Keeper because she was living proof of what the Chantry expected any Dalish with magic to do.

[Russalka]

cmessaz wrote...

Hello, Cate Blanchett!

[tmp7704]

Sarah1281 wrote...

 The Dalish, by and large, want nothing to do with humans and stay away from them. Sure there are mages like Velanna who go rogue but that's no different than, say, Jowan running from the Circle. Whilel the mages stay with the Clan (or even freaking lead it as the Keeper) they aren't off violently killing humans.

Well, in two game installments we have the Dalish keeper (Zathrian) who creates the werewolf curse (which would end up much more widespread if it wasn't for Lady of the Forest herself) and the apprenrice of the keeper (Velanna) who do goes of on human killing rampage, to the point where she nearly completely cuts off large human area from trade. This is pretty high percentage of known Dalish mages that do cause humans considerable issues, one way or another.

And yes, this is no different from Jowan and such (well Jowan wasn't actively trying to hurt people but let's say he's just as bad for the sake of simpler argument) But this very fact --that they're no different-- is why they are hunted exactly like Jowan and other runaway mages. Because the trouble they can potentially cause are just too big to ignore.

edit: to maybe put it differently, to the Chantry a mage is a mage and it doesn't matter what shape their ears are. Because the ear shape doesn't matter any to the magic itself and by extension, to the demons from Fade who are drawn by it.

Modifié par tmp7704, 23 mai 2010 - 07:24 .

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

You don't see a difference between Jowan and Velanna? The difference is that they did try with Jowan. That was because of incompetence, not just ignorance.

Who did try what with Jowan? The Chantry tried hunting him? I know that and I know that they caught him and Loghain had to intervene. The comparison I was making was that he left the Circle and was hunted down by Templars the same way Velanna left the policing of her clan and, had the Templars known she existed, would have been a more acceptable target than every Dalish Keeper because she was living proof of what the Chantry expected any Dalish with magic to do.

They tried to educate him and failed. That is what they did.

They then had an contingency plan of knowing where he is (blood) unless one of them (chantry) spills the beans about getting there. With a keeper, that is just a comlete random from their and human societies view.

[Kryyptehk]

Russalka wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Hello, Cate Blanchett!

Cme, your characters are amazingly beautiful. You should make a mod with them in it. I'd use it.

[nos_astra]

Just wanted to throw in a link for the writers here. It's the ruler, romance and companion (excluding Morrigan) epilogue slides:

http://docs.google.com/fileview

I copied them from the toolset the other day. Hope the pdf is readable.

Modifié par klarabella, 23 mai 2010 - 07:26 .

[SurelyForth]

klarabella wrote...

Just wanted to throw in a link for the writers here. It's the ruler, romance and companion (excluding Morrigan) epilogue slides:

http://docs.google.com/fileview

I copied them from the toolset the other day. Hope the pdf is readable.

Wow, thank you!

[Sandtigress]

klarabella wrote...

Just wanted to throw in a link for the writers here. It's the ruler, romance and companion (excluding Morrigan) epilogue slides:

http://docs.google.com/fileview

I copied them from the toolset the other day. Hope the pdf is readable.

That's awesome, thanks!  And yes, it's very readable.

[Sarah1281]

klarabella wrote...

Just wanted to throw in a link for the writers here. It's the ruler, romance and companion (excluding Morrigan) epilogue slides:

http://docs.google.com/fileview

I copied them from the toolset the other day. Hope the pdf is readable.

 Thanks for posting that. I tend to refuse to believe anything the epilogue says about the PC, though, because the PC could choose to do so many things and there are so few epilogue slides to take those choices into account.

[nos_astra]

Sarah1281 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Just wanted to throw in a link for the writers here. It's the ruler, romance and companion (excluding Morrigan) epilogue slides:

http://docs.google.com/fileview

I copied them from the toolset the other day. Hope the pdf is readable.

 Thanks for posting that. I tend to refuse to believe anything the epilogue says about the PC, though, because the PC could choose to do so many things and there are so few epilogue slides to take those choices into account.

I know what you mean. It's just for information purposes. I think the player died in climax (makes me think he died a little death *cough*) part about the companions is very interesting,especially the ones for not warm.

Edit: Oh, topper. Let me recycle this profile shot.

Modifié par klarabella, 23 mai 2010 - 07:56 .