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[cmessaz]

Has anyone actually executed Jowan themselves?

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

Has anyone actually executed Jowan themselves?

yes

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

My problem with it is that, even hardened, Alistair thinks it's wrong, and unhardened, he won't even consider it. Convincing him to go against his ethics to save his life is one thing, this is something else entirely, to me. You're actually convincing him to be less honorable than his instincts tell him to be.

But he also doesn't know much about being King. It's just happened, and all he has are the traditionalist assumptions he may have picked up from Eamon. He isn't doing anything dishonorable, unless he marries and THEN continues the relationship. And his little speech back at camp after he's made king, and not broken up with you is very convincing that he is doing so willingly, not because of you. If you save the "where do you see this going" until he's made king. I have no issues at the current stage, with staying with him. There's no wife, so there's no problem. If he marries Anora...I'm out, if Bioware decides in the next stage to toss King Alistair a wife, I'm out. But until there's an actual wife...it's not a bad thing to remain in the relationship.

The lines are stupid in the breakup scene. Instead of it coming off like convincing him to flush his values (which makes sense if he's with Anora) it should come off more like "Live in the now, we'll deal with the future when it comes.

[MelRedux]

klarabella wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Damn, he should be creepy but in my weird little mind this translates to hot.

*high-fives Klarabella*

[errant_knight]

I like to let him redeem himself. I always hope that it gives him another chance.

[sylvanaerie]

errant_knight wrote...

klarabella wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

No no, I don't mean personality at all. I mean...Ugh if there WERE romances in awakenings those would be the ...options. Guys has Zev, Morrigan, and Leliana. Girls had Zev, Alistair, and Leliana. NOTHING to do with their personas at all. Just that I can see how they'd match up to our old companions romancewise. This is what I get for posting before coffee...lol

Ah I see.  Once again it seems to me that the male players got shafted in this game, especially the hetero ones.  I hope there's some kind of halfway decent resolution to the Morrigan romance, to take some of the sting out.

I don't think the Alistair romance is much better.  If he's king, most PCs will get dumped, with an option to be a mistress.  The HNFs are the only ones that can have a "legitimate" relationship post AD.  If he's not king, you can have the happily ever after....but at what cost.  No matter the options, the only reason neither of you are dead is because the lov of you life slept with another woman and his demon spawn is running around somewhere.  I wouldn't exaclty call that a happy ending.

The mistress thing drives me nuts. He isn't married, you aren't "the other woman" Your pc is the woman he loves and he happens to be king. The demon spawn, well sacrifices must be made sometimes. I'll not be number one priority in my own husband's life for the next 14 years, it doesn't make me any less happy. It's a sacrifice we both willingly made to have a better life.  Of course, I also don't believe the child is a demon.

Well, not yet, but since half the reason he breaks up with you and the only reason he breaks up with a HN is the heir issue you know he's going to get married at some point and try for kids. Then the relationship either ends or you are the other woman.

My problem with it is that, even hardened, Alistair thinks it's wrong, and unhardened, he won't even consider it. Convincing him to go against his ethics to save his life is one thing, this is something else entirely, to me. You're actually convincing him to be less honorable than his instincts tell him to be.

Two words: game mechanics.
Really, some things don't make sense and I willingly handwave them. Like the almost-break-up. It's merely an opportunity to give the player a choice in that matter.

There are some things that I see as clear game mechanics--ie. hardened Alistair not making himself king automatically, so as to allow for a marriage, with that irritating recycling of unhardened dialogue, but not this. It revolves around Alistair taking a moral stand that you have to undo to continue the relationship.

There is always the option to end it.  My current FF has that premise.  Personally my PCs would rather fight for him and what they have than to let him go.  You are his love, not his piece on the side.

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

There are some things that I see as clear game mechanics--ie. hardened Alistair not making himself king automatically, so as to allow for a marriage, with that irritating recycling of unhardened dialogue, but not this. It revolves around Alistair taking a moral stand that you have to undo to continue the relationship.

He doesn't take a stand- he asks you a question.  Asks what you think about it.  And man is he happy if you say it doesn't bother you.  And in certain circumstances, even unhardened Alistair will admit he was an idiot for breaking up with you (unfortunately that might happen as he's about to sacrifice himself).

I'm not going to try to convince anyone to go the mistress ending- we've had too many discussions about it here already.  But let's not make it what it isn't.  Alistair gets over his objections way too easily and too happily to make it out like you're bulldozing his conscience.

[cmessaz]

K so at 30 cunning using that option I lost 11 points. Reloaded and used persuade with it all the way leveled up and lost 7. So all together 17 points.

[errant_knight]

Lady Jess wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

My problem with it is that, even hardened, Alistair thinks it's wrong, and unhardened, he won't even consider it. Convincing him to go against his ethics to save his life is one thing, this is something else entirely, to me. You're actually convincing him to be less honorable than his instincts tell him to be.

But he also doesn't know much about being King. It's just happened, and all he has are the traditionalist assumptions he may have picked up from Eamon. He isn't doing anything dishonorable, unless he marries and THEN continues the relationship. And his little speech back at camp after he's made king, and not broken up with you is very convincing that he is doing so willingly, not because of you. If you save the "where do you see this going" until he's made king. I have no issues at the current stage, with staying with him. There's no wife, so there's no problem. If he marries Anora...I'm out, if Bioware decides in the next stage to toss King Alistair a wife, I'm out. But until there's an actual wife...it's not a bad thing to remain in the relationship.

The lines are stupid in the breakup scene. Instead of it coming off like convincing him to flush his values (which makes sense if he's with Anora) it should come off more like "Live in the now, we'll deal with the future when it comes.

He says that he's breaking up with you then because he fears that he won't have the strength to do it when he marries, that the longer he's with you, the more impossible it will become. He's guarding against losing his will to do the right thing.

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There are some things that I see as clear game mechanics--ie. hardened Alistair not making himself king automatically, so as to allow for a marriage, with that irritating recycling of unhardened dialogue, but not this. It revolves around Alistair taking a moral stand that you have to undo to continue the relationship.

He doesn't take a stand- he asks you a question.  Asks what you think about it.  And man is he happy if you say it doesn't bother you.  And in certain circumstances, even unhardened Alistair will admit he was an idiot for breaking up with you (unfortunately that might happen as he's about to sacrifice himself).

I'm not going to try to convince anyone to go the mistress ending- we've had too many discussions about it here already.  But let's not make it what it isn't.  Alistair gets over his objections way too easily and too happily to make it out like you're bulldozing his conscience.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think I'm making it exactly what it is.

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

K so at 30 cunning using that option I lost 11 points. Reloaded and used persuade with it all the way leveled up and lost 7. So all together 17 points.

Give him his mom's amulet...I think thats hilarious its first

Alistair: GGGRRR bad PC Blood magic all evil...
PC: AListair look what I found in Eamon's study
Alistair: Oooo shiney!
PC: 

[cmessaz]

sylvanaerie wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

K so at 30 cunning using that option I lost 11 points. Reloaded and used persuade with it all the way leveled up and lost 7. So all together 17 points.

Give him his mom's amulet...I think thats hilarious its first

Alistair: GGGRRR bad PC Blood magic all evil...
PC: AListair look what I found in Eamon's study
Alistair: Oooo shiney!
PC: 

Lol I made sure to grab that on the way out.

[nos_astra]

errant_knight wrote...

klarabella wrote...
Two words: game mechanics.
Really, some things don't make sense and I willingly handwave them. Like the almost-break-up. It's merely an opportunity to give the player a choice in that matter.

There are some things that I see as clear game mechanics--ie. hardened Alistair not making himself king automatically, so as to allow for a marriage, with that irritating recycling of unhardened dialogue, but not this. It revolves around Alistair taking a moral stand that you have to undo to continue the relationship.

It is the exact same dialogue, the only difference is, that some of the lines open up a new part of dialogue tree and set a flag. I don't think it is meant to have a deeper meaning.

But this may just be me being my usual self, I'm certainly not fond a sense of duty that is bordering on stupidity.
Being king is a job, a lifetime job in a gilded cage, marriage is part of the job, sex is part of the job. And Alistair is throwing away the only happiness he has ever known for a future marriage that quite possibly won't even provide what he is aiming for: an heir.

Modifié par klarabella, 24 mai 2010 - 07:23 .

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There are some things that I see as clear game mechanics--ie. hardened Alistair not making himself king automatically, so as to allow for a marriage, with that irritating recycling of unhardened dialogue, but not this. It revolves around Alistair taking a moral stand that you have to undo to continue the relationship.

He doesn't take a stand- he asks you a question.  Asks what you think about it.  And man is he happy if you say it doesn't bother you.  And in certain circumstances, even unhardened Alistair will admit he was an idiot for breaking up with you (unfortunately that might happen as he's about to sacrifice himself).

I'm not going to try to convince anyone to go the mistress ending- we've had too many discussions about it here already.  But let's not make it what it isn't.  Alistair gets over his objections way too easily and too happily to make it out like you're bulldozing his conscience.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think I'm making it exactly what it is.

We can agree on this:  If your PC is pure as the driven snow and thus says she doesn't want the relationship to continue under those circumstances, Alistair will let her go.  But then the question is moot, because it's obvious your PC would never want to be in that situation, and probably should stay out of royal politics entirely if they're that idealistic.  Hardened Alistair is not that idealistic, so you probably don't want to be with him anyway.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 mai 2010 - 07:23 .

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There are some things that I see as clear game mechanics--ie. hardened Alistair not making himself king automatically, so as to allow for a marriage, with that irritating recycling of unhardened dialogue, but not this. It revolves around Alistair taking a moral stand that you have to undo to continue the relationship.

He doesn't take a stand- he asks you a question.  Asks what you think about it.  And man is he happy if you say it doesn't bother you.  And in certain circumstances, even unhardened Alistair will admit he was an idiot for breaking up with you (unfortunately that might happen as he's about to sacrifice himself).

I'm not going to try to convince anyone to go the mistress ending- we've had too many discussions about it here already.  But let's not make it what it isn't.  Alistair gets over his objections way too easily and too happily to make it out like you're bulldozing his conscience.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think I'm making it exactly what it is.

We can agree on this:  If your PC is pure as the driven snow and thus says she doesn't want the relationship to continue under those circumstances, Alistair will let her go.  But then the question is moot, because it's obvious your PC would never want to be in that situation, and probably should stay out of royal politics entirely if they're that idealistic.  Hardened Alistair is not that idealistic, so you probably don't want to be with him anyway.

I don't think that to not like the mistress ending has to make you idealistic. In fact, you could be an idealistic fan of the mistress ending and believe that your love will conquer all and that by staying together after the Landsmeet you'll be together forever which may not be the case.

[Bratt1204]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Morrigan's description in the toolset says:

Morrigan lacks the will to care about most things enough to excite herself over them. Her primary concern is her survival. She has a difficult time relating to other people, and feels extremely vulnerable outside of the marsh. Her sense of humor is dark and twisted, and she finds the most morbid things amusing.

Her primary goal is to gain skills and knowledge and become a powerful sorceress in her own right. She believes that having a child with the PC's blood will give her access to this power.

And nothing good can come out of that.  I predict Flemeth 2.0.

EDIT: Top o page.  And as much as I love this shot, I think I need to start stealing others.  This is the only one I have!

I'm working on getting this screenshot for myself, have not quite made it to Sacred Ashes yet. Does anyone know what armor he's in?

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There are some things that I see as clear game mechanics--ie. hardened Alistair not making himself king automatically, so as to allow for a marriage, with that irritating recycling of unhardened dialogue, but not this. It revolves around Alistair taking a moral stand that you have to undo to continue the relationship.

He doesn't take a stand- he asks you a question.  Asks what you think about it.  And man is he happy if you say it doesn't bother you.  And in certain circumstances, even unhardened Alistair will admit he was an idiot for breaking up with you (unfortunately that might happen as he's about to sacrifice himself).

I'm not going to try to convince anyone to go the mistress ending- we've had too many discussions about it here already.  But let's not make it what it isn't.  Alistair gets over his objections way too easily and too happily to make it out like you're bulldozing his conscience.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think I'm making it exactly what it is.

We can agree on this:  If your PC is pure as the driven snow and thus says she doesn't want the relationship to continue under those circumstances, Alistair will let her go.  But then the question is moot, because it's obvious your PC would never want to be in that situation, and probably should stay out of royal politics entirely if they're that idealistic.  Hardened Alistair is not that idealistic, so you probably don't want to be with him anyway.

Ah, I see I play the game wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. Or...I could just see it differently.

[sylvanaerie]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Morrigan's description in the toolset says:

Morrigan lacks the will to care about most things enough to excite herself over them. Her primary concern is her survival. She has a difficult time relating to other people, and feels extremely vulnerable outside of the marsh. Her sense of humor is dark and twisted, and she finds the most morbid things amusing.

Her primary goal is to gain skills and knowledge and become a powerful sorceress in her own right. She believes that having a child with the PC's blood will give her access to this power.

And nothing good can come out of that.  I predict Flemeth 2.0.

EDIT: Top o page.  And as much as I love this shot, I think I need to start stealing others.  This is the only one I have!

I'm working on getting this screenshot for myself, have not quite made it to Sacred Ashes yet. Does anyone know what armor he's in?

Loooks like Pious (under Armor of the Devout on Nexus)

[Thor Rand Al]

Russalka wrote...

Bah, my browser is bugging.

Here we go:

Could you imagine walking into a mall or store or anywhere for that matter with a whole bunch of your girlfriends decked out with Alistair appareal, especially if his face was plastered on some shirts?  I wonder how many people would be curious enough to ask or even for that matter how many people would actually know who he was lol.  It would be interesting, especially if there were other Alistair fangirls.  You could here the Alistair squee from the other side of the store lmao.

[AnniLau]

I'm reposting this because it totally made me laugh.


 
(Thanks, yukidama.)

Modifié par AnniLau, 24 mai 2010 - 07:45 .

[mellifera]

AnniLau wrote...

I'm reposting this because it totally made me laugh.


 
(Thanks, cmessaz.)

That was me

[LadyDamodred]

SurelyForth wrote...

klarabella wrote...

What a morning. My second favourite fanfic died  today, killed by the own authors who stopped caring about the plot and focused on more romantic complications instead.

Please, let us solemnly say goodbye to AMWT.

*sighs*  It's been losing me for awhile now, and meh...  I think I might be done.

[AnniLau]

yukidama wrote...
That was me

I just realized that and was coming back to fix it! Sorry!

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

There are some things that I see as clear game mechanics--ie. hardened Alistair not making himself king automatically, so as to allow for a marriage, with that irritating recycling of unhardened dialogue, but not this. It revolves around Alistair taking a moral stand that you have to undo to continue the relationship.

He doesn't take a stand- he asks you a question.  Asks what you think about it.  And man is he happy if you say it doesn't bother you.  And in certain circumstances, even unhardened Alistair will admit he was an idiot for breaking up with you (unfortunately that might happen as he's about to sacrifice himself).

I'm not going to try to convince anyone to go the mistress ending- we've had too many discussions about it here already.  But let's not make it what it isn't.  Alistair gets over his objections way too easily and too happily to make it out like you're bulldozing his conscience.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think I'm making it exactly what it is.

We can agree on this:  If your PC is pure as the driven snow and thus says she doesn't want the relationship to continue under those circumstances, Alistair will let her go.  But then the question is moot, because it's obvious your PC would never want to be in that situation, and probably should stay out of royal politics entirely if they're that idealistic.  Hardened Alistair is not that idealistic, so you probably don't want to be with him anyway.

Ah, I see I play the game wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. Or...I could just see it differently.

Heh, well yes, that's what I'm saying.  If your PC wouldn't do it... don't do it.  To me it is a rather infantilizing view of him to say that he's not doing what he wants when he agrees to stay with you, especially when you hardly have to twist his arm to do so.

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...
That is a Maricstair!  You haven't cottoned on to the Maricstair wars about the thread?  Just wait til yuki gets back on, you'll see.  I don't even notice the difference anymore, it's just Alistair to me.  On the very odd occasion I get nostalgia looking at a Vanillastair shot.

You know, I have come to increasingly dislike Maricstair.  I've always preferred Alistair as is, but I get more and more twitchy whenever I see Maricstair.

Ahhh, this one does not get old.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 24 mai 2010 - 07:48 .