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[mellifera]

cmessaz wrote...

Thanks a bunch ejoslin for keeping us Alistairians in mind! We appreciate it.

Yukidama: Thanks! I really need to figure out a way to import an existing character into the toolset for editing. Do you have any idea?

Not at all. I wish I knew, it'd make this a lot easier.

[cmessaz]

yukidama wrote...

Hahahaha, remembering my talk with TheGrumpyOne earlier about making a gay Warden/~Queen~ of Ferelden... one of the faces in this preset pack looks a lot like Cailan........ let me not even go there, lmao.

I have seen that, but yeah that would be funny as heck! Wait, the new queen of Ferelden looks a lot like.....CAILEN!

[Astranagant]

Serissia wrote...

Astranagant wrote...
The goal of the Wardens is to battle the Darkspawn and the Blight. Whatever Loghain's crimes, they're not the issue for the Wardens to be concerned with. Having Loghain undergo the joining is the best political solution as it promotes unity among Ferelden's lords and army.
 
And this is coming from someone who can't stand the guy and thinks it's laughable that he's supposed to be some kind of uber-strategist but Gaider's said here on the forum that much of the chaos that seems to be part of his plans (Arl Howe, the Darkspawn in the Tower of Ishal, etc.) is really just chance and coincidence.

But this is all a distraction from the fact that Allistair is perfectly willing and able to go back on the oath he made to the Wardens and to Duncan because a superior officer's decision rubs him the wrong way. In some armies, that's desertion, in others, it's treason.

Technically you're not his superior officer till Awakening.  In Origins you're just a junior Warden who happens to be leading. 

I'm referring to Riordan.

[nos_astra]

Serissia wrote...

Astranagant wrote...
But this is all a distraction from the fact that Allistair is perfectly willing and able to go back on the oath he made to the Wardens and to Duncan because a superior officer's decision rubs him the wrong way. In some armies, that's desertion, in others, it's treason.

Technically you're not his superior officer till Awakening.  In Origins you're just a junior Warden who happens to be leading.

Technically you're not even making an oath when you join the Wardens. They want you, they get you, with or without your consent. To refuse means death - at least in Origin. But once you survived the Joining it's a whole different story.
Riordan himself tells you that you can leave the order but it won't do you any good during a Blight as the Darkspawn will be drawn to you anyway. Leaving the Wardens is obviously not uncommon and you're not punished for leaving.

So Alistair leaving is a bad choice born out of anger and not treason. He'll eventually regret his decision.

Astranagant wrote...
I'm referring to Riordan.

He merely suggests letting Loghain join, he could have forced the issue but he doesn't even try if YOU choose to execute Loghain.
Plus, as I said before, he himself explains to you that leaving the Wardens is possible, when you are concerned about Loghain's loyalty. If Loghain is allowed to leave after his Joining, so is Alistair.

Modifié par klarabella, 15 avril 2010 - 06:05 .

[cmessaz]

LMAO Why do I find myself constantly defending Alistair's honor in the Alistair gush thread? Oh well everyone is entitled to their opinion. I give, no more arguing for me!

[mellifera]

cmessaz wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Hahahaha, remembering my talk with TheGrumpyOne earlier about making a gay Warden/~Queen~ of Ferelden... one of the faces in this preset pack looks a lot like Cailan........ let me not even go there, lmao.

I have seen that, but yeah that would be funny as heck! Wait, the new queen of Ferelden looks a lot like.....CAILEN!

It is disturbing and hilarious xD Although with a bit of manipulation it could also be Alistair 2.0, which would be freaky as hell. That would be a fun sex scene to watch

[cmessaz]

yukidama wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Hahahaha, remembering my talk with TheGrumpyOne earlier about making a gay Warden/~Queen~ of Ferelden... one of the faces in this preset pack looks a lot like Cailan........ let me not even go there, lmao.

I have seen that, but yeah that would be funny as heck! Wait, the new queen of Ferelden looks a lot like.....CAILEN!

It is disturbing and hilarious xD Although with a bit of manipulation it could also be Alistair 2.0, which would be freaky as hell. That would be a fun sex scene to watch

You give me way too many  ideas!

[Addai]

nranola wrote...

EDIT: And top page again. MOAR FANART THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO ME~

That's beautiful!

So you're playing a DEF as well?  You get a nice little bit from Alistair when you speak to him about Duncan's death.  He'll ask you about what the Dalish do for their dead, and his response is squee-worthy.  One of the few glimpses you get into how he feels about elves (and one of the reasons I think he has a thing for elves, besides the fact that most Fereldan humans seem to find them beautiful and his father obviously had a thing for them too).

[nranola]

yukidama wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Hahahaha, remembering my talk with TheGrumpyOne earlier about making a gay Warden/~Queen~ of Ferelden... one of the faces in this preset pack looks a lot like Cailan........ let me not even go there, lmao.

I have seen that, but yeah that would be funny as heck! Wait, the new queen of Ferelden looks a lot like.....CAILEN!

It is disturbing and hilarious xD Although with a bit of manipulation it could also be Alistair 2.0, which would be freaky as hell. That would be a fun sex scene to watch

HAHAHA! Oh Alistair, you narcissist! *handflop*

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Which do you want? I just sort of said the same thing to him every time, so a lot of what I missed was my own doing. Some things don't fire correctly. I could compile a list of what I missed, but that would be very long.

Well, someone mentioned his responses about Duncan are different if he's romanced.

You mean when you are comforting him? Let me look,  I know something is different, I just don't remember what.

Where in the dialogue would this be?  When you first ask if he wants to talk about Duncan?  I'm only seeing a difference at the very end if you're 'warm' unless I'm somehow missing it where it says romance.

[cmessaz]

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Which do you want? I just sort of said the same thing to him every time, so a lot of what I missed was my own doing. Some things don't fire correctly. I could compile a list of what I missed, but that would be very long.

Well, someone mentioned his responses about Duncan are different if he's romanced.

You mean when you are comforting him? Let me look,  I know something is different, I just don't remember what.

Where in the dialogue would this be?  When you first ask if he wants to talk about Duncan?  I'm only seeing a difference at the very end if you're 'warm' unless I'm somehow missing it where it says romance.

Not much difference, just at the end he says "thank you, it was good to talk about it with a friend. It means a lot to me." If he is warm. But that is the only change I see.

[LadyDamodred]

nranola wrote...

Oooh, I love the expression on his face. 

As for the whole 'defending Alistair thing', Riordan doesn't ever TRY to stop Alistair when Alistair duels him.  I think that's very telling.  Riordan's all 'Ya know, I don't think he's gonna go for it.  I'll just wait quietly over here.' 

[nranola]

Addai67 wrote...

So you're playing a DEF as well?  You get a nice little bit from Alistair when you speak to him about Duncan's death.  He'll ask you about what the Dalish do for their dead, and his response is squee-worthy.  One of the few glimpses you get into how he feels about elves (and one of the reasons I think he has a thing for elves, besides the fact that most Fereldan humans seem to find them beautiful and his father obviously had a thing for them too).

I'll pursue a DEF playthrough... eventually. xD I might actually start over; her face is bugging me. I was going for a "strong" look but at times I can't help but think she looks too much like a man LOL!

Here, I'll let you be the judge:



Oh, and I saw how that conversation goes in the toolset. I thought his response was heartwarming.

Modifié par nranola, 15 avril 2010 - 06:12 .

[cmessaz]

nranola wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

So you're playing a DEF as well?  You get a nice little bit from Alistair when you speak to him about Duncan's death.  He'll ask you about what the Dalish do for their dead, and his response is squee-worthy.  One of the few glimpses you get into how he feels about elves (and one of the reasons I think he has a thing for elves, besides the fact that most Fereldan humans seem to find them beautiful and his father obviously had a thing for them too).

I'll pursue a DEF playthrough... eventually. xD I might actually start over; her face is bugging me. I was going for a "strong" look but at times I can't help but think she looks too much like a man LOL!

Here, I'll let you be the judge:

I like it! You don't?

[mellifera]

cmessaz wrote...

yukidama wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Hahahaha, remembering my talk with TheGrumpyOne earlier about making a gay Warden/~Queen~ of Ferelden... one of the faces in this preset pack looks a lot like Cailan........ let me not even go there, lmao.

I have seen that, but yeah that would be funny as heck! Wait, the new queen of Ferelden looks a lot like.....CAILEN!

It is disturbing and hilarious xD Although with a bit of manipulation it could also be Alistair 2.0, which would be freaky as hell. That would be a fun sex scene to watch

You give me way too many  ideas!

I do my best

[cmessaz]

I'm going to start an elven mage, not make Alistair king and just pretend awakening doesn't exist. That is my next venture I think. It is because of all the elf/Alistair fan art I'm being subjected to.
Anyone else notice that the kiss with a human and alistair is longer? Or is that my imagination?

Modifié par cmessaz, 15 avril 2010 - 06:18 .

[ejoslin]

 Linky linky for the Alistair_main.dlb/dlg chages.  The OTHER files up there are just B2Bs, not the mods.  If you actually want ZDF and all that good stuff (which is needed for my changes in this to run properly) you do need to get it from DANexus. And you NEED the Alistair folder in the mod, but you need to replace those Alistair_main.dlb/dlg with the ones I have up in my projects here.

I can't make this easy for anyone, after all.  It's untested, and it needs tweaking.  I need to get rid of those pesky comments about him being a prince as well (though Goldanna would probably see him as one).

Totally incompatible with Alistair Dialog Patch, broken kissy cutscene still in place in mine, etc etc etc.  But it's still pretty good!

Edit: Oh, these changes are totally untested by me.  If they don't work, I'll take a hostile character and console her up or something to figure it out.  But right now, I had too much Leliana today with bug testing so I want to avoid doing more.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 avril 2010 - 06:21 .

[Addai]

nranola wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

So you're playing a DEF as well?  You get a nice little bit from Alistair when you speak to him about Duncan's death.  He'll ask you about what the Dalish do for their dead, and his response is squee-worthy.  One of the few glimpses you get into how he feels about elves (and one of the reasons I think he has a thing for elves, besides the fact that most Fereldan humans seem to find them beautiful and his father obviously had a thing for them too).

I'll pursue a DEF playthrough... eventually. xD I might actually start over; her face is bugging me. I was going for a "strong" look but at times I can't help but think she looks too much like a man LOL!

Here, I'll let you be the judge:

I think she looks great.  I'm all for interesting faces, not necessarily porcelain beautiful.  So I don't fuss much about things I realize later that I would change about my PC's.  My elf mage's nose is too big, DEF's eyes might have been bigger, and HNF is basically Alfstanna with lighter hair and slightly different eyes.  I go with all of it!

Oh, and I saw how that conversation goes in the toolset. I thought his response was heartwarming.

Yes, it is.    It added another dimension to what happens later, when the loose end from your origin is tied up.


Spoiler for Dalish origin ahead...


I thought of this again when Tamlen shows up.  That was probably the most emotional I've been in the game, it was such a shock.  I pictured DEF sitting all night by Tamlen's body, then asking Alistair in the morning to help her do what she had told him about.  At least to find a young tree near the camp to bury him.

[cmessaz]

ejoslin wrote...

 Linky linky for the Alistair_main.dlb/dlg chages.  The OTHER files up there are just B2Bs, not the mods.  If you actually want ZDF and all that good stuff (which is needed for my changes in this to run properly) you do need to get it from DANexus. And you NEED the Alistair folder in the mod, but you need to replace those Alistair_main.dlb/dlg with the ones I have up in my projects here.

I can't make this easy for anyone, after all.  It's untested, and it needs tweaking.  I need to get rid of those pesky comments about him being a prince as well (though Goldanna would probably see him as one).

Totally incompatible with Alistair Dialog Patch, broken kissy cutscene still in place in mine, etc etc etc.  But it's still pretty good!

So if we already have yours from Nexus, we just need to replace the alistair_main files, right? Do  we have to pick one of the 2 that are up, or both? I'm easily confused, if you can't tell.
Yeah, I'm stupid. One includes that Ostagar fix that we discussed and the other doesn't, am I right?

Modifié par cmessaz, 15 avril 2010 - 06:23 .

[ejoslin]

Yep, you need to replace the alistair_main.dlb/dlg with the new one. Should be in "alistair files." Pick the one you want. They're clearly marked. One has changes to Ostegar (gah, marked prologue, because I was staring at the toolset) and the other does not. I'll change the wording of that one file rq.

[nranola]

@cmessaz- Not by a lot, no... But maybe she'll grow on me in time? I dunno. To reinforce my point, here's a couple more. The profile shots just bother me. SHE LOOKS LIKE A MAAAAN. ;3;

Sorta.




...Okay, looking back it might not have been so bad. But I still might re-do the origin story, for continuity's sake. And the purdy screenshots. I haven't discovered the anti-aliasing slider yet by this point so the screenies are all grainy. D:

@Addai- Oh, I've spoiled myself that much. I imagine it'd be a real shocker for my DEF too. ;3; That scene is what's tempting me to push through with my DEF playthrough.

[cmessaz]

ejoslin wrote...

Yep, you need to replace the alistair_main.dlb/dlg with the new one. Should be in "alistair files." Pick the one you want. They're clearly marked. One has changes to Ostegar (gah, marked prologue, because I was staring at the toolset) and the other does not. I'll change the wording of that one file rq.

Yeah I'm just a moron. It's pretty clear.

[mellifera]

Gah. The gay Warden, elves... you guys are making me want to go through the game more times than I should xD

[cmessaz]

yukidama wrote...

Gah. The gay Warden, elves... you guys are making me want to go through the game more times than I should xD

I know, right? I have enough characters not out of Lothering yet. I don't need more!

[Addai]

nranola wrote...

@cmessaz- Not by a lot, no... But maybe she'll grow on me in time? I dunno. To reinforce my point, here's a couple more. The profile shots just bother me. SHE LOOKS LIKE A MAAAAN. ;3;

Why do you think she looks like a man?  I think she's fine.  Strong nose... I like that, which is why my elf mage ended up with one that was too big (too long, really).  Tomboyish hair, but for a woman warrior that is appropriate.  Very pretty eyes.

I don't know why, but I think the tattoo makes female PCs more beautiful.  I thought that with the casteless dwarf lass I started and abandoned.

I haven't discovered the anti-aliasing slider yet by this point so the screenies are all grainy. D:

What does that do?

Modifié par Addai67, 15 avril 2010 - 06:32 .