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[cmessaz]

sylvanaerie wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Does Alistair actually say anything about feeling bad for refusing the ritual?

The dialog (almost word for word) is in my FF here, Cmessaz.  He says something like "Be careful in there" and PC can respond "We both know how this ends" then he will say "I know, I will never forget you and I will make sure no one else does too."

Yeah I just have never had him out-right refuse the ritual.

[Sandtigress]

tmp7704 wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I just played through with an unhardened Alistair (so as not to get the disapproval when I told him I was supporting Anora) and tried to convince him to do the ritual without the persuasion check and he flat out refused. Does this happen with him if he's unhardened no matter what the dialogue options? Or is there an option that will work for him?

You can talk him into it even without persuasion check. That discussion is bit like the Landsmeet where your choices increase or decrease a hidden score which (if high enough in the end) makes him accept the deal or refuse it.

I've basically dangled the prospect in front of him then rushed him so he wouldn't have time to get cold feet -- started with 'i may have way to avoid dying' then when he asked told him it's some old magic, probably Flemeth's. Then just hit him with "we don't have time for this, just agree" and boom, one semi-convinced Alistair.  If you start getting into details like children or whatever that all counts against you because it piles on his doubts it's a good idea.

This is true - if you bring up the fact that it will produce a bastard child, it is MUCH harder to convince not-in-love Alistair than it is if you just go with "you have to do the nasty with Morrigan".

[Merilsell]

*throws her xbox out of the window*

The world is a mean and inequitable place to live.

*goes sulking in a corner*

[mellifera]

Sandtigress wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I just played through with an unhardened Alistair (so as not to get the disapproval when I told him I was supporting Anora) and tried to convince him to do the ritual without the persuasion check and he flat out refused. Does this happen with him if he's unhardened no matter what the dialogue options? Or is there an option that will work for him?

I did like the line where he says "Just because I have the proper... bits..." though. Very cute.

If you play the love card he will agree. I'm not sure if being hardened or unhardened makes a lot of difference, I'd have to check on that. But he will do it either way with the proper choices.

I'm pretty sure his affection rating matters more than hardened/unhardened.  If you are in the friend zone, he will only agree if you use the persuade option (If you loved me, etc.). If he is in love/still in love (probably needs to be at 100) he will agree no matter what, unless you yourself say "No, I can't do this".

No, he'll reject the proposal even if he is in love if you choose the right (or wrong, in this case?) options.

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Does Alistair actually say anything about feeling bad for refusing the ritual?

The dialog (almost word for word) is in my FF here, Cmessaz.  He says something like "Be careful in there" and PC can respond "We both know how this ends" then he will say "I know, I will never forget you and I will make sure no one else does too."

Yeah I just have never had him out-right refuse the ritual.

He didn't refuse it, I just chose "You're right I cna't make you do this" And OMG poor boy is SO relieved when you tell him that too!

[cmessaz]

Merilsell wrote...

*throws her xbox out of the window*
The world is a mean and inequitable place to live.
*goes sulking in a corner*

I feel your pain. *hugs* That is why I went and bought the pc version.

[Sandtigress]

Merilsell wrote...

*throws her xbox out of the window*
The world is a mean and inequitable place to live.
*goes sulking in a corner*

*sulks in the corner too*

My present to myself when (hopefully) I successfully defend my Masters thesis in July though is a PC copy of DA!

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I just played through with an unhardened Alistair (so as not to get the disapproval when I told him I was supporting Anora) and tried to convince him to do the ritual without the persuasion check and he flat out refused. Does this happen with him if he's unhardened no matter what the dialogue options? Or is there an option that will work for him?

I did like the line where he says "Just because I have the proper... bits..." though. Very cute.

If you play the love card he will agree. I'm not sure if being hardened or unhardened makes a lot of difference, I'd have to check on that. But he will do it either way with the proper choices.

Yep, he'll do it with "you know I love you right?"

That adds many points in your favor, but he will def. agree if you say "If you loved me, you would do this"

Ahh I never use that one. I use you know I love you, tell him everything, then "do you really want to risk dying tomorrow?"

[Herr Uhl]

Merilsell wrote...

*throws her xbox out of the window*
The world is a mean and inequitable place to live.
*goes sulking in a corner*

*points and laughs*

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I just played through with an unhardened Alistair (so as not to get the disapproval when I told him I was supporting Anora) and tried to convince him to do the ritual without the persuasion check and he flat out refused. Does this happen with him if he's unhardened no matter what the dialogue options? Or is there an option that will work for him?

I did like the line where he says "Just because I have the proper... bits..." though. Very cute.

If you play the love card he will agree. I'm not sure if being hardened or unhardened makes a lot of difference, I'd have to check on that. But he will do it either way with the proper choices.

Yep, he'll do it with "you know I love you right?"

That adds many points in your favor, but he will def. agree if you say "If you loved me, you would do this"

I always tell him 'You know I love you, right?' (well, when I'm romancing him) and I don't feel bad about that.  But I never tell him 'if you loved me you'd do it'.  Ugh.  Cannot do that.  I for with 'Trust me' persuade option.

[Sandtigress]

yukidama wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I just played through with an unhardened Alistair (so as not to get the disapproval when I told him I was supporting Anora) and tried to convince him to do the ritual without the persuasion check and he flat out refused. Does this happen with him if he's unhardened no matter what the dialogue options? Or is there an option that will work for him?

I did like the line where he says "Just because I have the proper... bits..." though. Very cute.

If you play the love card he will agree. I'm not sure if being hardened or unhardened makes a lot of difference, I'd have to check on that. But he will do it either way with the proper choices.

I'm pretty sure his affection rating matters more than hardened/unhardened.  If you are in the friend zone, he will only agree if you use the persuade option (If you loved me, etc.). If he is in love/still in love (probably needs to be at 100) he will agree no matter what, unless you yourself say "No, I can't do this".

No, he'll reject the proposal even if he is in love if you choose the right (or wrong, in this case?) options.

Are you sure?  This is how I figured out my "still in love" flag was bugged on my PS3 version - Alistair refused the ritual.  When the flag was properly in place, I used none of the persuade options and he agreed to do the ritual "if it might save you or Riordan".

The other ladies I was talking with at the time were shocked that he flat out refused when he was supposed to be "still in love".

[SurelyForth]

Sandtigress wrote...

Are you sure?  This is how I figured out my "still in love" flag was bugged on my PS3 version - Alistair refused the ritual.  When the flag was properly in place, I used none of the persuade options and he agreed to do the ritual "if it might save you or Riordan".

The other ladies I was talking with at the time were shocked that he flat out refused when he was supposed to be "still in love".

He was in love with Brand when I just got him to reject her. If you don't soften it, if you tell him that Morrigan wants an Old God Baby and if you don't persuade, he can refuse. 

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Are you sure?  This is how I figured out my "still in love" flag was bugged on my PS3 version - Alistair refused the ritual.  When the flag was properly in place, I used none of the persuade options and he agreed to do the ritual "if it might save you or Riordan".

The other ladies I was talking with at the time were shocked that he flat out refused when he was supposed to be "still in love".

He was in love with Brand when I just got him to reject her. If you don't soften it, if you tell him that Morrigan wants an Old God Baby and if you don't persuade, he can refuse. 

Hmm...makes me want to experiment now, when I should be working on the figures for my thesis!  Must....resist....

[mellifera]

Sandtigress wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I just played through with an unhardened Alistair (so as not to get the disapproval when I told him I was supporting Anora) and tried to convince him to do the ritual without the persuasion check and he flat out refused. Does this happen with him if he's unhardened no matter what the dialogue options? Or is there an option that will work for him?

I did like the line where he says "Just because I have the proper... bits..." though. Very cute.

If you play the love card he will agree. I'm not sure if being hardened or unhardened makes a lot of difference, I'd have to check on that. But he will do it either way with the proper choices.

I'm pretty sure his affection rating matters more than hardened/unhardened.  If you are in the friend zone, he will only agree if you use the persuade option (If you loved me, etc.). If he is in love/still in love (probably needs to be at 100) he will agree no matter what, unless you yourself say "No, I can't do this".

No, he'll reject the proposal even if he is in love if you choose the right (or wrong, in this case?) options.

Are you sure?  This is how I figured out my "still in love" flag was bugged on my PS3 version - Alistair refused the ritual.  When the flag was properly in place, I used none of the persuade options and he agreed to do the ritual "if it might save you or Riordan".

The other ladies I was talking with at the time were shocked that he flat out refused when he was supposed to be "still in love".

Oh, I've tried it multiple times, I always have to tell him the absolute truth (as far as I or my PC knows). Unless I pick the "You know I love you" option at the beginning he refuses when I'm honest. I am guessing I lose more points than I get in that conversation or something.

[Thor Rand Al]

Hey so cmes, I made another PC through the toolset last night. I was impressed cause I didn't have to ask for help until I um. Well I went to save it just like the first 1, did everything you told me to, even got it into the chargenmorph thing, put it in with my female's n went to load it n my game kept on crashing to the desktop on me. I thought maybe it was a mod I had installed or something new I had added.

Long story short I named it Hm_Elayne.mop when it should of been HF_Elayne.mop. Took me forever to finally figure out that stupid change lmao. Ya when I finally figured it out I was doing a lot of facepalming.

[cmessaz]

Thor- do you have a toolsetexport folder in your regular override folder?

In love or still in love Alistair will still reject the ritual with the wrong choices. If you use the "if you loved me you would do this" he will agree.

Modifié par cmessaz, 26 mai 2010 - 01:18 .

[Sandtigress]

yukidama wrote...

Oh, I've tried it multiple times, I always have to tell him the absolute truth (as far as I or my PC knows). Unless I pick the "You know I love you" option at the beginning he refuses when I'm honest. I am guessing I lose more points than I get in that conversation or something.

That might be the difference, I think I always go with the "You know I love you" to start things off, and then nothing afterwards seems to matter all that much.  The other options make sense to get refusal, since you're kind of negating the "still in love" flag by not telling him you still love him too, I guess.

[sabreene]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Hey so cmes, I made another PC through the toolset last night. I was impressed cause I didn't have to ask for help until I um. Well I went to save it just like the first 1, did everything you told me to, even got it into the chargenmorph thing, put it in with my female's n went to load it n my game kept on crashing to the desktop on me. I thought maybe it was a mod I had installed or something new I had added.
Long story short I named it Hm_Elayne.mop when it should of been HF_Elayne.mop. Took me forever to finally figure out that stupid change lmao. Ya when I finally figured it out I was doing a lot of facepalming.

I once put a < when it should've been a > and it kept crashing. When I figured it out, even my cats were doing this:

[cmessaz]

Thor, are you using the chargen I edited for you? Or do you need me to do it again?

[errant_knight]

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I just played through with an unhardened Alistair (so as not to get the disapproval when I told him I was supporting Anora) and tried to convince him to do the ritual without the persuasion check and he flat out refused. Does this happen with him if he's unhardened no matter what the dialogue options? Or is there an option that will work for him?

I did like the line where he says "Just because I have the proper... bits..." though. Very cute.

If you play the love card he will agree. I'm not sure if being hardened or unhardened makes a lot of difference, I'd have to check on that. But he will do it either way with the proper choices.

Yep, he'll do it with "you know I love you right?"

That adds many points in your favor, but he will def. agree if you say "If you loved me, you would do this"

Ahh I never use that one. I use you know I love you, tell him everything, then "do you really want to risk dying tomorrow?"

This is what I do, except that I choose 'I'd do it myself if I could' instead of the last. I always avoid the 'persude' choices, or the emotional blackmail of 'you'd do it if you loved me. Neither seem to be necessary and feel icky.

[Gilsa]

GD IT. I went all the way back to Landsmeet and changed it so Alistair stayed in my party. And I FORGOT TO CHANGE HIS OUTFIT. Once you get inside Redcliffe, there's no way to actually change his clothes between then and picking the final four at Riordian so I had to watch the beautiful kisses be marred by his massive armor. Gonna have to redo it again. =p

And Oghren is taking his voyeurism to a whole new level here:

Modifié par Gilsa, 26 mai 2010 - 01:22 .

[Merilsell]

cmessaz wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

*throws her xbox out of the window*
The world is a mean and inequitable place to live.
*goes sulking in a corner*

I feel your pain. *hugs* That is why I went and bought the pc version.

Thx <3

I could buy the PC version too, then look at it, admire the shiny, beautiful box it is in, and eventually glare viciously at my computer for being such a ****ing old damn thing.

Sigh...

[mellifera]

Sandtigress wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Oh, I've tried it multiple times, I always have to tell him the absolute truth (as far as I or my PC knows). Unless I pick the "You know I love you" option at the beginning he refuses when I'm honest. I am guessing I lose more points than I get in that conversation or something.

That might be the difference, I think I always go with the "You know I love you" to start things off, and then nothing afterwards seems to matter all that much.  The other options make sense to get refusal, since you're kind of negating the "still in love" flag by not telling him you still love him too, I guess.

Yeah, I always start with the "you know I love you line" but I was checking out the other dialogue options and had it refused every time I didn't choose that and went the honest route.

Random: Got a nice tint on the Duncan armor with The Winter Forge. I call it mint-chocolate, lol

HEY, LISTEN!

[cmessaz]

Just for the record, here is what the toolset says about Alistair if you say If you loved me you'd do this: "Not mad at all, just weary that she has used the love card."

Modifié par cmessaz, 26 mai 2010 - 01:22 .

[Thor Rand Al]

cmessaz wrote...

Thor- do you have a toolsetexport folder in your regular override folder?

In love or still in love Alistair will still reject the ritual with the wrong choices. If you use the "if you loved me you would do this" he will agree.

Yes.

It worked after I figured out the HM/HF thing lol, in fact I made a new PC with her even though I had to do some touch-ups in the CC.


Edit: Top of page, sorry I don't have any new Alistair pics yet.



Can we say spaghetti arms lol

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 26 mai 2010 - 01:30 .