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[Sarah1281]

And they both leave the party if you're not happy that your GF ditched you for another guy? Don't they have to save the world in some manner? Fail.

[tmp7704]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And they both leave the party if you're not happy that your GF ditched you for another guy? Don't they have to save the world in some manner? Fail.

They're in one true wuv, what's the fate of the world compared to that

[Axekix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And they both leave the party if you're not happy that your GF ditched you for another guy? Don't they have to save the world in some manner? Fail.

Hmm, you know, the more I think about it the more I'm leaning towards that being a bad idea.  If it turned Dragon Age into a bad soap opera where the relationships took precedence over everything else that could be a bit of a problem...  <_<

[phaonica]

Axekix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And they both leave the party if you're not happy that your GF ditched you for another guy? Don't they have to save the world in some manner? Fail.

Hmm, you know, the more I think about it the more I'm leaning towards that being a bad idea.  If it turned Dragon Age into a bad soap opera where the relationships took precedence over everything else that could be a bit of a problem...  <_<

Lol. They nearly already do.

[Sarah1281]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And they both leave the party if you're not happy that your GF ditched you for another guy? Don't they have to save the world in some manner? Fail.

They're in one true wuv, what's the fate of the world compared to that

Yes, their love is so true that she only picks him if she thinks you trying to solve this problem the way you solve all other problems is barbaric.

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And they both leave the party if you're not happy that your GF ditched you for another guy? Don't they have to save the world in some manner? Fail.

They're in one true wuv, what's the fate of the world compared to that

Yes, their love is so true that she only picks him if she thinks you trying to solve this problem the way you solve all other problems is barbaric.

Well, it's Aerie we're talking about here. She is about as mature as a 13-year old in her behavior.

[tmp7704]

Axekix wrote...

Hmm, you know, the more I think about it the more I'm leaning towards that being a bad idea.  If it turned Dragon Age into a bad soap opera where the relationships took precedence over everything else that could be a bit of a problem...  <_<

What if it was something like, a person has romances going with the PC and another companion, and the "but thou must pick one" discussion pops up, and if they choose the PC then depending how it's handled the other person may leave, pissed? Or if the PC has two romances going the person who doesn't get picked storms off... perhaps limited just to characters where it'd make some sense, not necessarily the DA as it is at the moment. Just got me curious if it'd be acceptable as part of the experience, or too much.

[Axekix]

tmp7704 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Hmm, you know, the more I think about it the more I'm leaning towards that being a bad idea.  If it turned Dragon Age into a bad soap opera where the relationships took precedence over everything else that could be a bit of a problem...  <_<

What if it was something like, a person has romances going with the PC and another companion, and the "but thou must pick one" discussion pops up, and if they choose the PC then depending how it's handled the other person may leave, pissed? Or if the PC has two romances going the person who doesn't get picked storms off... perhaps limited just to characters where it'd make some sense, not necessarily the DA as it is at the moment. Just got me curious if it'd be acceptable as part of the experience, or too much.

Maybe.  I kind of like the way most NPCs handle break ups maturely in DAO.  I mean some of the break ups can be pretty nasty, but most of the time your companions can keep things in perspective and will still see the mission through. 

It would definitely be more interesting having the possibility of a competitive romance.  In DA the only one who gets to mess around is the PC, so it would be kinda fun to explore that from the other side I think... so long as it's handled well.
Just don't turn DA into a dating sim

[ejoslin]

tmp7704 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Hmm, you know, the more I think about it the more I'm leaning towards that being a bad idea.  If it turned Dragon Age into a bad soap opera where the relationships took precedence over everything else that could be a bit of a problem...  <_<

What if it was something like, a person has romances going with the PC and another companion, and the "but thou must pick one" discussion pops up, and if they choose the PC then depending how it's handled the other person may leave, pissed? Or if the PC has two romances going the person who doesn't get picked storms off... perhaps limited just to characters where it'd make some sense, not necessarily the DA as it is at the moment. Just got me curious if it'd be acceptable as part of the experience, or too much.

Well, you already have in DA a circumstance where Zevran will leave (breakup after he's in love) if you don't have high enough coercion. I don't think it takes away from the story at all. Then again, his reason to be there doesn't have much to do with saving the world, I suppose.

Edit: added the quote for context.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mai 2010 - 12:22 .

[Kryyptehk]

ejoslin wrote...

Well, you already have in DA a circumstance where Zevran will leave (breakup after he's in love) if you don't have high enough coercion. I don't think it takes away from the story at all. Then again, his reason to be there doesn't have much to do with saving the world, I suppose.

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Anora and her father seem less likely to me to make personal sacrifices for the good of the kingdom - Anora refuses to marry again even for the sake of producing an heir, which we know will likely lead to civil war. Alistair ends the relationship with the love of his life in order to do his best to ensure that an heir is produced and thus the stability of the kingdom ensured.

He also name miss not-an-option his heir and then goes off to kill himself because he couldn't BEAR to live without his ex-LI which is hardly for the best of the Kingdom.

Well it doesn't say that he went to kill himself. And I've only gotten that when he is not king, is this a bug?

I assume she means when Alistair sacs himself as king.

 I think naming Anora the heir if he falls is a smart thing, I don't like her, but who else would rule? As far as Alistair killing himself for his love, he is acting on impulse I am sure at that point and not thinking clearly, I can't really blame him.

I know it was the smart thing to do if he falls in battle but he doesn't. He makes it all the way to the final blow more-or-less unscathed and he had to have been planning this from the minute he heard the words 'a grey warden must die'.

Yes, ending the Blight is a good thing and if that were the only option then it would be doing his duty. When he won't let you do it even if you're wiling because he loves you and apparently little Loghain Jr. isn't so horrible for Ferelden after all despite everything he said earlier...he totally fails at looking out for Ferelden when he does that so, imo, that means he fails at being a King when he chooses to sacrifice himself.

Wow you really don't like Alistair much do you?

[Sarah1281]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote... I think naming Anora the heir if he falls is a smart thing, I don't like her, but who else would rule? As far as Alistair killing himself for his love, he is acting on impulse I am sure at that point and not thinking clearly, I can't really blame him.I know it was the smart thing to do if he falls in battle but he doesn't. He makes it all the way to the final blow more-or-less unscathed and he had to have been planning this from the minute he heard the words 'a grey warden must die'.

Yes, ending the Blight is a good thing and if that were the only option then it would be doing his duty. When he won't let you do it even if you're wiling because he loves you and apparently little Loghain Jr. isn't so horrible for Ferelden after all despite everything he said earlier...he totally fails at looking out for Ferelden when he does that so, imo, that means he fails at being a King when he chooses to sacrifice himself. 

Wow you really don't like Alistair much do you?

No, I like Alistair just fine. I just can't get behind his decision to sacrifice himself after he's King.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 27 mai 2010 - 12:18 .

[ejoslin]

Kryyptehk wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Well, you already have in DA a circumstance where Zevran will leave (breakup after he's in love) if you don't have high enough coercion. I don't think it takes away from the story at all. Then again, his reason to be there doesn't have much to do with saving the world, I suppose.

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

Yeh, I added a quote to my post for context.  I wasn't saying anything different than what you say here.  I was more saying that there ALREADY is that situation where one love interest leaves if they're not chosen -- nothing about how pivotal that moment is to the main story.

Edit: Though, thinking about it, though it's not a love triangle thing, Alistair DOES get mad and leave as well.

Hmmmm, I suppose that's true of everyone, but Zevran is the only one who leaves because of being rejected (whether he breaks up with the warden or the warden breaks up with him).

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mai 2010 - 12:24 .

[Lady Jess]

Wasn't there a fix to keep elves from kissing alistair's...eyes?...lol Lyra seems to love doing that, frankly I find it disturbing.

[Kryyptehk]

ejoslin wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Well, you already have in DA a circumstance where Zevran will leave (breakup after he's in love) if you don't have high enough coercion. I don't think it takes away from the story at all. Then again, his reason to be there doesn't have much to do with saving the world, I suppose.

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

Yeh, I added a quote to my post for context.  I wasn't saying anything different than what you say here.  I was more saying that there ALREADY is that situation where one love interest leaves if they're not chosen -- nothing about how pivotal that moment is to the main story.

I wasn't arguing, I was agreeing and voicing my opinion.

[ejoslin]

Kryyptehk wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Well, you already have in DA a circumstance where Zevran will leave (breakup after he's in love) if you don't have high enough coercion. I don't think it takes away from the story at all. Then again, his reason to be there doesn't have much to do with saving the world, I suppose.

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

Yeh, I added a quote to my post for context.  I wasn't saying anything different than what you say here.  I was more saying that there ALREADY is that situation where one love interest leaves if they're not chosen -- nothing about how pivotal that moment is to the main story.

I wasn't arguing, I was agreeing and voicing my opinion.

Though, you know, I'm wrong in a way.  He doesn't leave if he forces a choice and you choose someone else -- he actually is pretty sweet about it.  Well, he's sweet when he leaves too.

Ugh, NOW I'm thinking of Zevran breakups.  Possibly the one that tears at me the most is if you break up with him because of a political marriage to Alistair/Anora.  He stays, and understands totally why you'd rather be King/Queen than be with him 

Edit: I WAY prefer going the royal scandal route!

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mai 2010 - 12:27 .

[tmp7704]

Sarah1281 wrote...

 No, I like Alistair just fine. I just can't get behind his decision to sacrifice himself after he's King.

Unhardened Alistair seems to genuinely believe Anora is better suited to be the ruler than he is. Combined with his talk how taking the blow to kill the archdemon is something that lets him be "the best king he can ever be" i think he's actually doing that also "for the good of Ferelden" to some degree -- he's removing himself out of the way while doing something good in the process. This isn't really selfish, or at least can't be really  decisively conluded as such, imo.

[LadyDamodred]

Sarah1281 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote... I think naming Anora the heir if he falls is a smart thing, I don't like her, but who else would rule? As far as Alistair killing himself for his love, he is acting on impulse I am sure at that point and not thinking clearly, I can't really blame him.I know it was the smart thing to do if he falls in battle but he doesn't. He makes it all the way to the final blow more-or-less unscathed and he had to have been planning this from the minute he heard the words 'a grey warden must die'.

Yes, ending the Blight is a good thing and if that were the only option then it would be doing his duty. When he won't let you do it even if you're wiling because he loves you and apparently little Loghain Jr. isn't so horrible for Ferelden after all despite everything he said earlier...he totally fails at looking out for Ferelden when he does that so, imo, that means he fails at being a King when he chooses to sacrifice himself. 

Wow you really don't like Alistair much do you?

No, I like Alistair just fine. I just can't get behind his decision to sacrifice himself after he's King.

He can't watch the woman he loves die for him.  It's a primal, vicseral reaction at that moment.  He is who he is and he can't let you do it, not when there's another option.  Personally, I think he should fight with you more about it when you leave him behind.

[Sarah1281]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

 No, I like Alistair just fine. I just can't get behind his decision to sacrifice himself after he's King.

Unhardened Alistair seems to genuinely believe Anora is better suited to be the ruler than he is. Combined with his talk how taking the blow to kill the archdemon is something that lets him be "the best king he can ever be" i think he's actually doing that also "for the good of Ferelden" to some degree -- he's removing himself out of the way while doing something good in the process. This isn't really selfish, or at least can't be really  decisively conluded as such, imo.

And hardened Alistair believes he'll be a better King and yet still goes off and insists on killing himself.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

 No, I like Alistair just fine. I just can't get behind his decision to sacrifice himself after he's King.

Unhardened Alistair seems to genuinely believe Anora is better suited to be the ruler than he is. Combined with his talk how taking the blow to kill the archdemon is something that lets him be "the best king he can ever be" i think he's actually doing that also "for the good of Ferelden" to some degree -- he's removing himself out of the way while doing something good in the process. This isn't really selfish, or at least can't be really  decisively conluded as such, imo.

And hardened Alistair believes he'll be a better King and yet still goes off and insists on killing himself.

so whats he supposed to do? Allow the woman he loves to die instead?  Would you then be angry that he allows her to do that instead of offering his own life for her and Ferelden?

[tmp7704]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

Doesn't Zevran pledge himself to the Warden when you spare him, though? I actually thought he'd be the type to stay since he seems to be more laid back than Alistair and so more likely to stay true to his word in situation where it's conflict between personal feelings and a promise. On the other hand he does break his tie with the Crows pretty easily, too, so maybe i shouldn't be surprised.

[Sarah1281]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

 No, I like Alistair just fine. I just can't get behind his decision to sacrifice himself after he's King.

Unhardened Alistair seems to genuinely believe Anora is better suited to be the ruler than he is. Combined with his talk how taking the blow to kill the archdemon is something that lets him be "the best king he can ever be" i think he's actually doing that also "for the good of Ferelden" to some degree -- he's removing himself out of the way while doing something good in the process. This isn't really selfish, or at least can't be really  decisively conluded as such, imo.

And hardened Alistair believes he'll be a better King and yet still goes off and insists on killing himself.

so whats he supposed to do? Allow the woman he loves to die instead?  Would you then be angry that he allows her to do that instead of offering his own life for her and Ferelden?

Of course not. He offers regardless and if you remind him of his responsibilities as King and he's not in a romace then he'll let you do it so you're the one that offers. People make such a big deal about his inability to let the woman he loves die but in that case all the women who love him are just standing there and letting him kiss them goodbye and not trying to get to the Archdemon first even though they may not feel Anora is an option. So, what? He just feels more strongly about her than she does him if she can watch him die? 

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Wasn't there a fix to keep elves from kissing alistair's...eyes?...lol Lyra seems to love doing that, frankly I find it disturbing.

My elves don't kiss his eyes?

Not that that doesn't sound sweet, in its own context.  And she did kiss his nose when he was about to throw himself on the archdemon.  *trauma*

[Kryyptehk]

tmp7704 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

Doesn't Zevran pledge himself to the Warden when you spare him, though? I actually thought he'd be the type to stay since he seems to be more laid back than Alistair and so more likely to stay true to his word in situation where it's conflict between personal feelings and a promise. On the other hand he does break his tie with the Crows pretty easily, too, so maybe i shouldn't be surprised.

Oh, I'm not saying he is flaky. I'm just saying that if Alistair left, you would have more of a reason to judge him. But Zev isn't formally pledged to anything.

[ejoslin]

tmp7704 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

Doesn't Zevran pledge himself to the Warden when you spare him, though? I actually thought he'd be the type to stay since he seems to be more laid back than Alistair and so more likely to stay true to his word in situation where it's conflict between personal feelings and a promise. On the other hand he does break his tie with the Crows pretty easily, too, so maybe i shouldn't be surprised.

You mean, he escapes being a slave at his first opportunity.  He was a slave -- bought at the age of seven.  Escape meant a horrible death, or a fate worse than death.

Zevran will stay in most circumstances.  But if you breakup when he's in love, either the warden breaking up with him OR him breaking up with the warden if the warden doesn't love him (people who doubt whether he proposed or is just going along with what the warden wants should try turning him down before the reload), he may leave, though he'll stay if you ask him to.  If you insult him, he'll agree with you and leave anyway saying it hurts too much for him to stay.

Edit: Oh, yay me, another page topper!  Ok, sorry, Zevran dwarf kiss!  It is one of Charsen's kisses.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mai 2010 - 12:45 .