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[Addai]

tmp7704 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Alistair Jr. = DuranDuranistair

I am so much more at peace with the DR since I started envisioning the god baby as a Dragon-Age version of my favorite 80s band.  It was like a yoga technique (like "imagine your breath coming through your navel").

My favourite version of the god baby at the moment is featured in this drawing:



http://sixthdeadlysi...t.com/#/d2q28ue if the direct link doesn't work and to give credit where due.

(on the other hand Alistair really doesn't look happy married off...)

Oh, is that Morrigan's baby constantly asking for cheese?  ROFL

And yes, Maker, please... do not marry Alistair off to Anora.  Let him kill himself instead.  Srsly.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

 No, I like Alistair just fine. I just can't get behind his decision to sacrifice himself after he's King.

Unhardened Alistair seems to genuinely believe Anora is better suited to be the ruler than he is. Combined with his talk how taking the blow to kill the archdemon is something that lets him be "the best king he can ever be" i think he's actually doing that also "for the good of Ferelden" to some degree -- he's removing himself out of the way while doing something good in the process. This isn't really selfish, or at least can't be really  decisively conluded as such, imo.

And hardened Alistair believes he'll be a better King and yet still goes off and insists on killing himself.

so whats he supposed to do? Allow the woman he loves to die instead?  Would you then be angry that he allows her to do that instead of offering his own life for her and Ferelden?

Of course not. He offers regardless and if you remind him of his responsibilities as King and he's not in a romace then he'll let you do it so you're the one that offers. People make such a big deal about his inability to let the woman he loves die but in that case all the women who love him are just standing there and letting him kiss them goodbye and not trying to get to the Archdemon first even though they may not feel Anora is an option. So, what? He just feels more strongly about her than she does him if she can watch him die? 

Maybe so.  I have seen some posts from people who got pissed off at him in one playthrough and turned him into dragon kibbles for revenge on the second.  Although whenever i see posts like that I just go ... and think okay...back away from the mouse, lady....slowly...
He loves the PC and he loves Ferelden.  He doesn't want to be king, its not a matter of me good anora bad with him its just he felt she didn't take the blight seriously and ending it was all he really wanted to do.  Saving the PC is an added bonus, he is willing to give his life for her and won't LET her choose at that point (Unless you have a mod).  He's let her lead all this time but not going to anymore and its his last act as king.
Besides, it's game mechanics that he will take the blow and doesnt' give you a choice in a romance. 

[Addai]

sabreene wrote...

I think tmp mentioned this, but if I equip armor in camp to anyone, the bonuses don't usually work. I have to equip it when we're out in the field. If I've forgotten & equipped it in camp, I either have to take it off and put it back on, or I have to take it off, save, restart the game, and then equip it again.

*adds to Things I Find Out After Thousands of Hours of Play list*

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

Doesn't Zevran pledge himself to the Warden when you spare him, though? I actually thought he'd be the type to stay since he seems to be more laid back than Alistair and so more likely to stay true to his word in situation where it's conflict between personal feelings and a promise. On the other hand he does break his tie with the Crows pretty easily, too, so maybe i shouldn't be surprised.

You mean, he escapes being a slave at his first opportunity.  He was a slave -- bought at the age of seven.  Escape meant a horrible death, or a fate worse than death.

Zevran will stay in most circumstances.  But if you breakup when he's in love, either the warden breaking up with him OR him breaking up with the warden if the warden doesn't love him (people who doubt whether he proposed or is just going along with what the warden wants should try turning him down before the reload), he may leave, though he'll stay if you ask him to.  If you insult him, he'll agree with you and leave anyway saying it hurts too much for him to stay.

Edit: Oh, yay me, another page topper!  Ok, sorry, Zevran dwarf kiss!  It is one of Charsen's kisses.

I never was clear on whether he proposed or just agreed with me. I'm still not, to be perfectly honest.

[ejoslin]

Lady Jess wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

Doesn't Zevran pledge himself to the Warden when you spare him, though? I actually thought he'd be the type to stay since he seems to be more laid back than Alistair and so more likely to stay true to his word in situation where it's conflict between personal feelings and a promise. On the other hand he does break his tie with the Crows pretty easily, too, so maybe i shouldn't be surprised.

You mean, he escapes being a slave at his first opportunity.  He was a slave -- bought at the age of seven.  Escape meant a horrible death, or a fate worse than death.

Zevran will stay in most circumstances.  But if you breakup when he's in love, either the warden breaking up with him OR him breaking up with the warden if the warden doesn't love him (people who doubt whether he proposed or is just going along with what the warden wants should try turning him down before the reload), he may leave, though he'll stay if you ask him to.  If you insult him, he'll agree with you and leave anyway saying it hurts too much for him to stay.

Edit: Oh, yay me, another page topper!  Ok, sorry, Zevran dwarf kiss!  It is one of Charsen's kisses.

I never was clear on whether he proposed or just agreed with me. I'm still not, to be perfectly honest.

If you tell him, "That's too much," he breaks up with the warden after calling himself a fool for thinking the warden may feel the same as he does.

Edit: VO note says his voice should sound "hopeful".

Second edit: I was a bit off.  He says "Then what we feel is not enough, is it?" before saying he knew he was being foolish.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mai 2010 - 12:53 .

[Sarah1281]

I've never felt the need to feed him to the Archdemon because I was pissed. I did it for him and Loghain once so I could see it just like I did the US...well, twice, actually so I could see the different origin funerals. I figure that marrying him to Anora and then usually keeping his father-in-law alive more than makes up for anything he could ever do to annoy me. Although I should probably note that I don't do this TO ****** him off although sparing Loghain when Alistair makes it clear he won't serve with him does seem the best way to keep the new King alive w/out metagaming that he'll be fine until the dragon.

[tmp7704]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Oh, I'm not saying he is flaky. I'm just saying that if Alistair left, you would have more of a reason to judge him. But Zev isn't formally pledged to anything.

Hmm actually he kind of is. If you let him join he goes:

Zevran: I hereby pledge my oath of loyalty to you, until such a time as you choose to release me from it. I am your man, without reservation... this I swear.

this is about as formal as it can go in the middle of a road in middle of nowhere, i suppose. And also if you question him earlier...

PC: Can I expect the same amount of loyalty from you?
Zevran: I happen to be a very loyal person. Up until the point where someone expects me to die for failing.

what can i say, perhaps foolishly i thought he would put a romance breakup in less severe category than expecting him to die for failing, and so still feel obliged by his pledge 

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Yeah, but he isn't there to defeat the Blight in the first place. He's there to help the Warden and be protected by them. So he could leave any time he wished. The problem would be if Alistair left.

Doesn't Zevran pledge himself to the Warden when you spare him, though? I actually thought he'd be the type to stay since he seems to be more laid back than Alistair and so more likely to stay true to his word in situation where it's conflict between personal feelings and a promise. On the other hand he does break his tie with the Crows pretty easily, too, so maybe i shouldn't be surprised.

You mean, he escapes being a slave at his first opportunity.  He was a slave -- bought at the age of seven.  Escape meant a horrible death, or a fate worse than death.

Zevran will stay in most circumstances.  But if you breakup when he's in love, either the warden breaking up with him OR him breaking up with the warden if the warden doesn't love him (people who doubt whether he proposed or is just going along with what the warden wants should try turning him down before the reload), he may leave, though he'll stay if you ask him to.  If you insult him, he'll agree with you and leave anyway saying it hurts too much for him to stay.

Edit: Oh, yay me, another page topper!  Ok, sorry, Zevran dwarf kiss!  It is one of Charsen's kisses.

I never was clear on whether he proposed or just agreed with me. I'm still not, to be perfectly honest.

If you tell him, "That's too much," he breaks up with the warden after calling himself a fool for thinking the warden may feel the same as he does.

Edit: VO note says his voice should sound "hopeful".

Awww...I just loaded up the save I had from when Zevring and I were disagreeing, and went through that part. And it's even worse if you choose "we don't have to end it, Zevran" and two little words say alot "I do".

[ejoslin]

tmp7704 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Oh, I'm not saying he is flaky. I'm just saying that if Alistair left, you would have more of a reason to judge him. But Zev isn't formally pledged to anything.

Hmm actually he kind of is. If you let him join he goes:

Zevran: I hereby pledge my oath of loyalty to you, until such a time as you choose to release me from it. I am your man, without reservation... this I swear.

this is about as formal as it can go in the middle of a road in middle of nowhere, i suppose. And also if you question him earlier...

PC: Can I expect the same amount of loyalty from you?
Zevran: I happen to be a very loyal person. Up until the point where someone expects me to die for failing.

what can i say, perhaps foolishly i thought he would put a romance breakup in less severe category than expecting him to die for failing, and so still feel obliged by his pledge 

I guess I see it very differently.  He went from serving the crows to serving the warden, yes.  

Though actually, I'm looking for the circumstances he leaves.  That particular breakup isn't it.  In almost all cases he'll stay.  He leaves when it's a particularly brutal breakup.

Edit: AH, found it.  Yes, in a brutal breakup, here is what he says about the oath:

Zevran: What are promises? There are many kinds, spoken and unspoken, and yet we break them all the same, yes? They do not matter.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mai 2010 - 12:57 .

[Lady Jess]

tmp7704 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Oh, I'm not saying he is flaky. I'm just saying that if Alistair left, you would have more of a reason to judge him. But Zev isn't formally pledged to anything.

Hmm actually he kind of is. If you let him join he goes:

Zevran: I hereby pledge my oath of loyalty to you, until such a time as you choose to release me from it. I am your man, without reservation... this I swear.

this is about as formal as it can go in the middle of a road in middle of nowhere, i suppose. And also if you question him earlier...

PC: Can I expect the same amount of loyalty from you?
Zevran: I happen to be a very loyal person. Up until the point where someone expects me to die for failing.

what can i say, perhaps foolishly i thought he would put a romance breakup in less severe category than expecting him to die for failing, and so still feel obliged by his pledge 

By the end, if you've built a friendship or a romance with him, he is perfectly willing to die for you. But, if he's fallen in love, and you push him away, he can't be around you, it hurts too much. But he can still, with a persuade check, be comnvinced to stay. So, yeah, he's really loyal.

[ejoslin]

Lady Jess wrote...

Awww...I just loaded up the save I had from when Zevring and I were disagreeing, and went through that part. And it's even worse if you choose "we don't have to end it, Zevran" and two little words say alot "I do".

OMG, yes.  The look on his face.

[tmp7704]

ejoslin wrote...

Though actually, I'm looking for the circumstances he leaves.  That particular breakup isn't it.  In almost all cases he'll stay.  He leaves when it's a particularly brutal breakup.

Ahh i see; i didn't have that conversation so went with the earlier mention that he could leave if the PC's coercion wasn't high enough. If it's instead something that happens if the Warden chooses to step on his nuts while at it then, well. That's quite more understandable.

[ejoslin]

tmp7704 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Though actually, I'm looking for the circumstances he leaves.  That particular breakup isn't it.  In almost all cases he'll stay.  He leaves when it's a particularly brutal breakup.

Ahh i see; i didn't have that conversation so went with the earlier mention that he could leave if the PC's coercion wasn't high enough. If it's instead something that happens if the Warden chooses to step on his nuts while at it then, well. That's quite more understandable.

You don't necessarily need to pass a persuade check to get him to stay -- actually, like immediately after Taliesen, the persuade check is not the best option.  Ask him to stay as a friend.  He'll stay.  Tell him you need him.  He'll stay.  Call him a coward, or bring up his oath?  He'll leave if it's during a breakup.  He can still be convinced to stay if he and the warden are just friends.

Edit: Another nice one where he'll leave.

Warden: So you're going to run, now? Typical.
Zevran: Indeed. I have no desire to stay and be forced to watch what I cannot have. If that makes me a coward, then so be it.
Zevran: Fare you well, my love. And good luck.

Heh, I'm a bit wrong.  In this case, you do need to pass a low persuade check to get him to stay.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mai 2010 - 01:05 .

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Awww...I just loaded up the save I had from when Zevring and I were disagreeing, and went through that part. And it's even worse if you choose "we don't have to end it, Zevran" and two little words say alot "I do".

OMG, yes.  The look on his face.

So, it IS a proposal, now making him a really unique romance and companion.

1. The only one to consistently try and lift your spirits at all.
2. The only one that has no conditions, and can love anyone, of any specialization, and still be in character.
3. The only one out of the two men that actually proposes to the warden.

And now I want to beat up whoever wrote the end slide for him in Awakening...grumbles.

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Though actually, I'm looking for the circumstances he leaves.  That particular breakup isn't it.  In almost all cases he'll stay.  He leaves when it's a particularly brutal breakup.

Ahh i see; i didn't have that conversation so went with the earlier mention that he could leave if the PC's coercion wasn't high enough. If it's instead something that happens if the Warden chooses to step on his nuts while at it then, well. That's quite more understandable.

You don't necessarily need to pass a persuade check to get him to stay -- actually, like immediately after Taliesen, the persuade check is not the best option.  Ask him to stay as a friend.  He'll stay.  Tell him you need him.  He'll stay.  Call him a coward, or bring up his oath?  He'll leave if it's during a breakup.  He can still be convinced to stay if he and the warden are just friends.

Edit: Another nice one where he'll leave.

Warden: So you're going to run, now? Typical.
Zevran: Indeed. I have no desire to stay and be forced to watch what I cannot have. If that makes me a coward, then so be it.
Zevran: Fare you well, my love. And good luck.

Heh, I'm a bit wrong.  In this case, you do need to pass a low persuade check to get him to stay.

D'oh, Aidan used the "for the teasure" persuade after Taliesen, I didn't realize that wasn't a good choice, and was afraid the friend one would cut off the romance I needed for later.

[ejoslin]

Lady Jess wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Awww...I just loaded up the save I had from when Zevring and I were disagreeing, and went through that part. And it's even worse if you choose "we don't have to end it, Zevran" and two little words say alot "I do".

OMG, yes.  The look on his face.

So, it IS a proposal, now making him a really unique romance and companion.

1. The only one to consistently try and lift your spirits at all.
2. The only one that has no conditions, and can love anyone, of any specialization, and still be in character.
3. The only one out of the two men that actually proposes to the warden.

And now I want to beat up whoever wrote the end slide for him in Awakening...grumbles.

Yeh, I take the whole proposal conversation this way.

First, he asks for a commitment for the future.
Then he gives the earring to cement it.

The warden at that point can ask, wait, did you just propose?  Because it DOES look like a proposal.

Edit: I want to beat them up too!  Why on earth would you have to chase after someone who tells you at the end, "You caught me, now you're stuck with me.  Sad, but we'll manage"?

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mai 2010 - 01:09 .

[ejoslin]

Lady Jess wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Though actually, I'm looking for the circumstances he leaves.  That particular breakup isn't it.  In almost all cases he'll stay.  He leaves when it's a particularly brutal breakup.

Ahh i see; i didn't have that conversation so went with the earlier mention that he could leave if the PC's coercion wasn't high enough. If it's instead something that happens if the Warden chooses to step on his nuts while at it then, well. That's quite more understandable.

You don't necessarily need to pass a persuade check to get him to stay -- actually, like immediately after Taliesen, the persuade check is not the best option.  Ask him to stay as a friend.  He'll stay.  Tell him you need him.  He'll stay.  Call him a coward, or bring up his oath?  He'll leave if it's during a breakup.  He can still be convinced to stay if he and the warden are just friends.

Edit: Another nice one where he'll leave.

Warden: So you're going to run, now? Typical.
Zevran: Indeed. I have no desire to stay and be forced to watch what I cannot have. If that makes me a coward, then so be it.
Zevran: Fare you well, my love. And good luck.

Heh, I'm a bit wrong.  In this case, you do need to pass a low persuade check to get him to stay.

D'oh, Aidan used the "for the teasure" persuade after Taliesen, I didn't realize that wasn't a good choice, and was afraid the friend one would cut off the romance I needed for later.

Yeh, just ask him to stay as a friend.  *sigh* Sorry Ali-fans for all my Zev squee!

[Sarah1281]

Well, with that Oghren cake thing the Zev thread is actually scarier than the Ali thread right now, so...

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Awww...I just loaded up the save I had from when Zevring and I were disagreeing, and went through that part. And it's even worse if you choose "we don't have to end it, Zevran" and two little words say alot "I do".

OMG, yes.  The look on his face.

So, it IS a proposal, now making him a really unique romance and companion.

1. The only one to consistently try and lift your spirits at all.
2. The only one that has no conditions, and can love anyone, of any specialization, and still be in character.
3. The only one out of the two men that actually proposes to the warden.

And now I want to beat up whoever wrote the end slide for him in Awakening...grumbles.

Yeh, I take the whole proposal conversation this way.

First, he asks for a commitment for the future.
Then he gives the earring to cement it.

The warden at that point can ask, wait, did you just propose?  Because it DOES look like a proposal.

I think whats best, is when you ask "that sounds like a proposal" and he leaves it up to you, in a very Wesley in the Princess Bride way "If that is what you wish". dangit, I need to get my blood mage moving.

[ejoslin]

Hahahaha, blame Oghren's massive red armpit hair for the movement of the Zev Squee to here!

[tmp7704]

With Zevran squee in Alistair thread and Oghren squee in Zevran thread i'm expecting Alistair squee to surface in dwarf supremacy thread any minute now...

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, with that Oghren cake thing the Zev thread is actually scarier than the Ali thread right now, so...

Hey, it's not near as scary as what I've been torturing my sketchpad with. at least you can tell what everyone else draws, me I end up with...oh god. Buyers remorse for buying my Wacom tablet a few years ago, because CLEARLY I should stick with cameras and lenses.

[Danijou]

Zev squee is respected wherever it occurs.

[cmessaz]

ejoslin wrote...

Hahahaha, blame Oghren's massive red armpit hair for the movement of the Zev Squee to here!

What? Do I wanna know?

[mellifera]

Sorry Zevran, I like you and all but not in that way *tries to recapture the thread*