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[mellifera]

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

I don't think I'm ever going to get through a dalish playthrough. I had Lyra to the end, and ended up backtracking to just after Lothering, now I don't want to play her at all. There just...well like has been said, I can't get into it...it's a very light on content origin. She was supposed to be the GW ending to replace my old mage, but I think I'll just replace my old GW ending human mage with the previous version of Caislyn's morph, and run her through Awakening again.

My videos about Dalish-specific stuff are meant to show that it really has more than you think. 

But I would never tell someone to suffer through a playthrough just because.  It's why I don't sweat not finishing a dwarf or sparing Loghain or whatever.  40 hours a week someone can tell me to do something because they say to do it.  Not on my DAO time. 

Actually, I felt the same way about the Dalish (it sucks, there's so little connection, why isn't the clan we're helping out our own, etc) but then I made a character I really liked and now I love playing a Dalish character. I don't love the Dalish origin, per se (I hate Tamlen), but I love the idea of being from a group of people outside of "regular" society struggling to find and preserve anything they can from their destroyed history. It sucks that BioWare didn't really develop it more but there is a lot of potential and lots of nice tidbits here and there.

Modifié par yukidama, 31 mai 2010 - 06:37 .

[Lady Jess]

yukidama wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

I don't think I'm ever going to get through a dalish playthrough. I had Lyra to the end, and ended up backtracking to just after Lothering, now I don't want to play her at all. There just...well like has been said, I can't get into it...it's a very light on content origin. She was supposed to be the GW ending to replace my old mage, but I think I'll just replace my old GW ending human mage with the previous version of Caislyn's morph, and run her through Awakening again.

My videos about Dalish-specific stuff are meant to show that it really has more than you think. 

But I would never tell someone to suffer through a playthrough just because.  It's why I don't sweat not finishing a dwarf or sparing Loghain or whatever.  40 hours a week someone can tell me to do something because they say to do it.  Not on my DAO time. 

Actually, I felt the same way about the Dalish (it sucks, there's so little connection, why isn't the clan we're helping out our own, etc) but then I made a character I really liked and now I love playing a Dalish character. I don't love the Dalish origin, per se (I hate Tamlen), but I love the idea of being from a group of people outside of "regular" society struggling to find and preserve anything they can from their destroyed history. It sucks that BioWare didn't really develop it more but there is a lot of potential and lots of nice tidbits here and there.

I was doing really well with Lyra, and enjoying her. But when it came to the end...I regretted hardening Alistair, so I went back...only to find I hadn't saved before that. Which put me back at just after Lothering. Now I can't seem to pick her back up.

edited: meant to say regretted hardening alistair. fixed!

Modifié par Lady Jess, 31 mai 2010 - 07:03 .

[Addai]

Idun takes her medicine with Alistair for killing Connor 

With Cunning option.  Very interesting stuff and worth the extra disapproval (-14 if you finish with "apology accepted" or -11 if you finish with "I understand").  I'm definitely keeping this one as a my canon, because of what it reveals about Alistair's background and about their dynamic working together.

With Persuade option.  -8 disapproval

The voice acting on this... eurk, having Alistair say "you killed him" is like one of those kitchen knives in the gut. 

Modifié par Addai67, 31 mai 2010 - 06:51 .

[Addai]

yukidama wrote...

Actually, I felt the same way about the Dalish (it sucks, there's so little connection, why isn't the clan we're helping out our own, etc) but then I made a character I really liked and now I love playing a Dalish character. I don't love the Dalish origin, per se (I hate Tamlen), but I love the idea of being from a group of people outside of "regular" society struggling to find and preserve anything they can from their destroyed history. It sucks that BioWare didn't really develop it more but there is a lot of potential and lots of nice tidbits here and there.

You have to put Serissia's morph on him.  I was having a hard time thinking of him as my PC's lover, but now I totally feel it.  He's one of my favorite NPCs.  On my character's behalf I am so dreading what's coming.  :(

Modifié par Addai67, 31 mai 2010 - 06:45 .

[mellifera]

Addai67 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Actually, I felt the same way about the Dalish (it sucks, there's so little connection, why isn't the clan we're helping out our own, etc) but then I made a character I really liked and now I love playing a Dalish character. I don't love the Dalish origin, per se (I hate Tamlen), but I love the idea of being from a group of people outside of "regular" society struggling to find and preserve anything they can from their destroyed history. It sucks that BioWare didn't really develop it more but there is a lot of potential and lots of nice tidbits here and there.

You have to put Serissia's morph on him.  I was having a hard time thinking of him as my PC's lover, but now I totally feel it.  He's one of my favorite NPCs.  On my character's behalf I am so dreading what's coming.  :(

Oh, his looks don't bother me. Even if he were the most super sexy guy ever I wouldn't be able to make him my PC's lover. It's him that I don't like. I can deal with them being friends but other than that... no thanks.

[Miri1984]

Tamlen leaves me cold too. I didn't even realise you could romance people in the origins until I started frequenting the boards - I never chose any of the options that led to that.



I hate the fact that the elves and dwarves all have American accents, and Tamlen's voice in particular grates on me. Nothing against Americans, but I find the English accents much more sexy.

[Sarah1281]

Would you rather the dwarves had German accents? That was apparently the initial plan.

[mellifera]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Would you rather the dwarves had German accents? That was apparently the initial plan.

Hell no. The horrible wannabe French accents are bad enough. If they brought in native German speakers who speak English with accents it wouldn't be so bad (like they did with Leliana)... no, that would still be a bad idea.

[Miri1984]

Eek. I had no idea. No, dwarves with German accents would be hideous. I was surprised they didn't go with the whole dwarves-as-scots thing though - that seems to be the accepted canon since LOTR.

I'm not suggesting they should have DONE that though - badly acted scottish accents are just as bad as badly acted German ones.

Edited to add: I don't mind the dwarves with American accents BTW, I don't like the elves with American accents. Seems weird. Also making every race that's not human have the same accent is a bit strange.

Modifié par Miri1984, 31 mai 2010 - 07:47 .

[sylvanaerie]

Miri1984 wrote...

Eek. I had no idea. No, dwarves with German accents would be hideous. I was surprised they didn't go with the whole dwarves-as-scots thing though - that seems to be the accepted canon since LOTR.

I'm not suggesting they should have DONE that though - badly acted scottish accents are just as bad as badly acted German ones.

Edited to add: I don't mind the dwarves with American accents BTW, I don't like the elves with American accents. Seems weird. Also making every race that's not human have the same accent is a bit strange.

They could get away with it if they let Sean Connery do the acting

[Merilsell]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Would you rather the dwarves had German accents? That was apparently the initial plan.

Being German myself, I would have lol'd. Cuz the accent most germans have while speaking english is...interesting. I love traveling with the train and hear the train-driver saying: "Welkooom on boooart ant säänk yuuu forr travvelling wiiiz teh deutsche Baaahn. Hopp yuuu enshoiii yuuur joooorneeyy."

I kid you not. It always gives me my laughing fit. I claim not to be perfect in pronoucing english things but at least I know how NOT to pronouce them

[sabreene]

It's the middle of the night, so it's time for a picture!



I actually caught an expression on Alistair's face in battle tonight, and he looks angry!

[sabreene]

And just because I love it, this shot of Teagan has to be repeated. He's looking at her like I feel like looking at her! (before I hit her over the head)

[Nu-Nu]

I decided not to make Alistair king for once and something unexpected happened. I now like Anora, for once I sided with her and she told her father where to go, and I carried it through to the end and she had plans to open a university and brought prosperity to Ferelden.



I hate to admit it, but she's a better leader then Alistair just for wanting to open a university alone, at least when he's not been harden. What is the epilogue if he is harden and on his own?



I'm going to play as a male warden next so I can marry off Alistair to the queen without feeling guilty. Question is what's the difference to the marriage/ferelden if I harden or soften him? I'm not sure if I'm going to harden him or not in this playthrough.

[Tirigon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Would you rather the dwarves had German accents? That was apparently the initial plan.

That would be good. It might just mean the German Voiceacting doesn´t suck as much as it does compared to English. It would be a nice change to play a game in my own language for once

[Tirigon]

Nu-Nu wrote...

I decided not to make Alistair king for once and something unexpected happened. I now like Anora, for once I sided with her and she told her father where to go, and I carried it through to the end and she had plans to open a university and brought prosperity to Ferelden.

The fascinating thing about the DAO characters is that it really depends on your attitude towards them and not on objective facts whether they are likeable or not. I had the same experience with Anora in spite of hating that b*tch:pinched:

Another example is Wynne: I used to hate her because I played an anarchist bloodmage as first character, and obviously she would disagree with everything I did; but if you accept her and are nice she is actually quite likeable.

I hate to admit it, but she's a better leader then Alistair just for wanting to open a university alone, at least when he's not been harden.

But she kills many elves, and noone likes her! And she doesn´t have the blood of Calenhad!

I prefer Alistair. And especially I prefer my PC to be chancellor. I want someone able to rule to make the decisions, and quite frankly Alistair makes a better PR guy than Anora.

[nos_astra]

Addai67 wrote...

Idun takes her medicine with Alistair for killing Connor 

With Cunning option.  Very interesting stuff and worth the extra disapproval (-14 if you finish with "apology accepted" or -11 if you finish with "I understand").  I'm definitely keeping this one as a my canon, because of what it reveals about Alistair's background and about their dynamic working together.

With Persuade option.  -8 disapproval

The voice acting on this... eurk, having Alistair say "you killed him" is like one of those kitchen knives in the gut. 

Wow. He says "blood magic or no you should have sacrificed Isolde". Cool.
Of course, if you do so it's nothing better, he will still be upset, won't he?
Very wise, what he says in the end. That it's easy to question the one who is making the decisions and that he was doing just that. Could I love this character even more for being terribly unfair AND able to see it? I don't know if other characters do this, I have a feeling Alistair is the only one (but I don't know the others as well as I know him). <3

Modifié par klarabella, 31 mai 2010 - 11:09 .

[Tirigon]

Has anyone ever done the Blood Magic way in Redcliff whit hardened Alistair? Is it true that you can gain approval for sacrificing Isolde if he´s hardened?

[janeym27]

Merilsell wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Hye,
Alistair fans.

Just finished my first PT. Ali and the Warden
lived happily ever after as King and Queen, and I just thought I'd pop
in to say how much I LOVE that man. lol

Adorable romances are
adorable.

Heh. David Gaider gets them all in the end.
Glorious. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie]



Welcome
to the club, enjoy your stay here. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

That picture has made my mrning. Thanks.

Miri1984 wrote...

Eek. I had no idea. No, dwarves with German accents would be hideous. I was surprised they didn't go with the whole dwarves-as-scots thing though - that seems to be the accepted canon since LOTR.

I'm not suggesting they should have DONE that though - badly acted scottish accents are just as bad as badly acted German ones.

QFT. See Mass Effect 2

yukidama wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

tmp7704
wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well if he has no idea
what he's doing it's not going to be the greatest experience now is
it? 

But but, Grey Warden stamina- *flails*

../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png

Just what I want. Lots and lots of
awkward newbie sex. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Well
then, it is up to you to educate him, isn't it [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie]

This is one of th reasons I love the poast-tent conversations you can have with Leliana and Morrigan. Especially about him being good at following instructions.

Has anyone given the "Not for that performace" answer to Ali post tent? I couldn't figure out if it was in jest or not, and so I'm loath to choose it lest I make the poor lad cry. lol

Regarding the Dalish thing: I have just started Dalif elf PT, and I quite like her for being able to RP cocky and speaks without thinking. I actually started her with Zev in mind, but oh look- Alistair is here and we are having a conversation, and oops - I think she's goign to romance him again! (then they can run away together) lol. I actually quite like the Dalish origin. The idea that she is already an outsider, and that she is forced into leaving her family and life because of a sickness that she can't escape. It makes the revealtion that she is carrying a death sentence after the joining seem like she is exchanging servitude for the oppertunity to live on borrowed time. She actually has no choice but to join the wardens, because the taint will take her: sooner or later. I think it'll make for some interesting RP and interaction with Alistair.

OK, Alistair fans: as a newbie, I have a couple of questions I'm hoping someone can help me with, please? Firstly, do we know how old Alistair is? I'd place him mid 20s (24-26ish), but I was wondering if there was a confirmed age anywhere?

Second, does anyone know if the story about Alistair's recruitment featured here is canon, or made up? (can't seem to find codex, but I could be mot looking hard enough).

Also, thanks for the youtube vids. I spent last night watching the ones where Ali gets betrayed at Landsmeet, and boy, did I feel bad.

[nos_astra]

Tirigon wrote...
Has anyone ever done the Blood Magic way in Redcliff whit hardened Alistair? Is it true that you can gain approval for sacrificing Isolde if he´s hardened?

Can you even do that? Alistair won't give you his personal quest before you went to Redcliffe. You would have to leave Redcliffe again at some point, go to Denerim, complete his quest, harden him, get his approval above 70 to reaffirm the personality change, go back to Redcliffe and sacrifice Isolde.

At what point can you leave again? You can let Redcliffe fall, of course. Can you leave after Redcliffe was saved, when you are supposed to go into the castle? Can you leave after agreeing to get the mages and then return and tell them you've changed your mind?

Modifié par klarabella, 31 mai 2010 - 11:23 .

[janeym27]

klarabella wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
Has anyone ever done the Blood Magic way in Redcliff whit hardened Alistair? Is it true that you can gain approval for sacrificing Isolde if he´s hardened?

Can you even do that? Alistair won't give you his personal quest before you went to Redcliffe. You would have to leave Redcliffe again at some point, go to Denerim, complete his quest, harden him, get his approval above 70 to reaffirm the personality change, go back to Redcliffe and sacrifice Isolde.

At what point could you leave to do that? You could let Redcliffe fall, of course. Can you leave after Redcliffe was saved?

After the battle of Redcliff, you could leave to do the circle tower quest, then change your mind and come back and agree to the blood ritual. When they are discussing options, if you haven't doen the circle of mages quest, you need to leave Redcliff and leave Conner with the demon for the meantime. I guess you could just do the other quests until you have high enough approvl (which, with gifts, isn't hard) then go back and opt for blood magic anyway.

[nos_astra]

janeym27 wrote...
Has anyone given the "Not for that performace" answer to Ali post tent? I couldn't figure out if it was in jest or not, and so I'm loath to choose it lest I make the poor lad cry. lol

Yeah, some of us did because we misunderstood what it meant.
He jokes and says: Meaning it was so great that the Maker himself decided to spare us the usual punishment?

[nos_astra]

janeym27 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
Has anyone ever done the Blood Magic way in Redcliff whit hardened Alistair? Is it true that you can gain approval for sacrificing Isolde if he´s hardened?

Can you even do that? Alistair won't give you his personal quest before you went to Redcliffe. You would have to leave Redcliffe again at some point, go to Denerim, complete his quest, harden him, get his approval above 70 to reaffirm the personality change, go back to Redcliffe and sacrifice Isolde.

At what point could you leave to do that? You could let Redcliffe fall, of course. Can you leave after Redcliffe was saved?

After the battle of Redcliff, you could leave to do the circle tower quest, then change your mind and come back and agree to the blood ritual. When they are discussing options, if you haven't doen the circle of mages quest, you need to leave Redcliff and leave Conner with the demon for the meantime. I guess you could just do the other quests until you have high enough approvl (which, with gifts, isn't hard) then go back and opt for blood magic anyway.

So it's possible but not a very intuitive way to play.

Edit: Maybe I'll find the answer in the toolset.

Modifié par klarabella, 31 mai 2010 - 11:31 .

[janeym27]

klarabella wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
Has anyone given the "Not for that performace" answer to Ali post tent? I couldn't figure out if it was in jest or not, and so I'm loath to choose it lest I make the poor lad cry. lol

Yeah, some of us did because we misunderstood what it meant.
He jokes and says: Meaning it was so great that the Maker himself decided to spare us the usual punishment?

D'aww. Bless. Can you agree to that?

klarabella wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

klarabella
wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
Has anyone ever done the
Blood Magic way in Redcliff whit hardened Alistair? Is it true that you
can gain approval for sacrificing Isolde if he´s hardened?

Can
you even do that? Alistair won't give you his personal quest before you
went to Redcliffe. You would have to leave Redcliffe again at some
point, go to Denerim, complete his quest, harden him, get his approval
above 70 to reaffirm the personality change, go back to Redcliffe and
sacrifice Isolde.

At what point could you leave to do that? You
could let Redcliffe fall, of course. Can you leave after Redcliffe was
saved?

After the battle of Redcliff, you could leave to
do the circle tower quest, then change your mind and come back and agree
to the blood ritual. When they are discussing options, if you haven't
doen the circle of mages quest, you need to leave Redcliff and leave
Conner with the demon for the meantime. I guess you could just do the
other quests until you have high enough approvl (which, with gifts,
isn't hard) then go back and opt for blood magic anyway.

So
it's possible but not a very intuitive way to play.

Well, I think it depends. I ended up spending quite a time away from Redcliff between quests, because after the circle tower (which is quite a long quest) and seeing Alistair's dream in the fade, when he asked to go see his family, we went immediatly because my Warden was already head-over-heels in love and was worried about him. At that point, my approval was high enough that I got the conversation as soon as I got back to camp after seeing his sister. Mind you, I didn't harden him (should I? Does that get interesting?)

I guess it's how you're RPing.

Modifié par janeym27, 31 mai 2010 - 11:36 .

[nos_astra]

janeym27 wrote...
Well, I think it depends. I ended up spending quite a time away from Redcliff between quests, because after the circle tower (which is quite a long quest) and seeing Alistair's dream in the fade, when he asked to go see his family, we went immediatly because my Warden was already head-over-heels in love and was worried about him. At that point, my approval was high enough that I got the conversation as soon as I got back to camp after seeing his sister. Mind you, I didn't harden him (should I? Does that get interesting?)

I guess it's how you're RPing.

I mean, if you are going to the circle anyway and go to Denerim for Alistair's quest, you'd probably simply ask the mages for help and not use blood magic.

However, poking in the toolset (party_camp.dlg) there is no line check on hardened or not. The only thing that changes the dialogue is if the possibility blood magic or going to the circle wasn't even brought up (because you killed Jowan and didnIt ask for the other option) and the cunning option.

Edit: Oh, topper. It's been a while. I'm offering a little song for Undertow because SurelyForth makes her readers cry like babies and listening to this makes everything WORSE.
Gloom and doom!

And Maricstair. (avert your eyes, yuki!)

Modifié par klarabella, 31 mai 2010 - 11:55 .