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[mellifera]

Apparently in my game Anders is just a pretend Warden.

[Sarah1281]

That would be good. It might just mean the German Voiceacting doesn´t suck as much as it does compared to English. It would be a nice change to play a game in my own language for once 

You really think they'd do any better with German dwarves than with French Orlesians or Spnish Antivans? I kind of doubt it.

But she kills many elves, and noone likes her! And she doesn´t have the blood of Calenhad!

Oh please. She doesn't go around murdering elves she just fails to address their concerns in an adequate manner (probably from the lack of having their elder as an advisor to remind her of these things) and they rebel. Blaming her for the violence after they rebel is like blaming your PC in Awakening if you fail the Intimidation check or realize persuading them will only lead to more violence later and have to put that food riot down with bloodshed. And even should you persuade them, there is bloodshed in the epilogue. Does that make you unfit to be Arl? And what does her lack of being related to Calenhad have to do with her ability to rule?

I definitly going to marry Alistair off to Anora on my male playthrough but haven't decided to harden him or not.  I want a tough but fair ruling over Ferelden, but I'm worried soften Alistair will runaway and leave Anora to it or harden Alistair will be too tough.

Let me put it this way: the epilogue for the hardened Alistair/Anora marriage has the people deciding that the Landsmeet and all the chaos during the game was worth it for delivering them just a beloved ruling pair. If you don't harden Alitair you might as well just put Anora on the throne alone.

Wow someone other than me admitted that Anora is actually a good ruler in this thread? lol Why does all the good things happen in my absence??

I think she's a great ruler though she was only on the throne alone that one time I tried the WC ending.

I realize they need to leave it open so the same stuff can be used regardless of PC gender and whether you RP it as platonic or not, but that is done so much better with Gorim.

Oh, so, SO much better...

lol sounds like my husband's playthrough when he was home for R&R. I think I drove him off the game though, I was fussing at him for not TALKING to his companions enough. He played it like a combat game and it annoyed me...lol

Yeah, watching my brother play was frustrating beyond belief. He didn't even realize that Wynne was supposed to be a companion or that she'd hear him when he was agreeing with Morrigan about who much mages suck when he took her to the Tower...and then he insisted it was inevitable becaue you can't bring Morrigan without it ending badly. BS. Most options do leave Wynne alive although you'll take an approval hit from Morrigan for calling her a horrible person.

That line always confuses me to no end. If he was worthy to be King he'd already be in there? Is she calling him out because we got there late? He doesn't deserve to be King due to lack of punctuality? When exactly does Anora show up again? Oh right, five minutes before the vote. I'm pretty sure Eamon planned our late entrance anyway so he could get his speech in before Alistair and I show up and become the main event.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 31 mai 2010 - 05:54 .

[mellifera]

Sarah1281 wrote...

That line always confuses me to no end. If he was worthy to be King he'd already be in there? Is she calling him out because we got there late? He doesn't deserve to be King due to lack of punctuality? When exactly does Anora show up again? Oh right, five minutes before the vote. I'm pretty sure Eamon planned our late entrance anyway so he could get his speech in before Alistair and I show up and become the main event.

I think she means that if he were truly worthy of being Maric's son he would have been in court his whole life and part of the Landsmeet without question all this time. He wouldn't have been attending for the first time if he were worthy of being accepted as Maric's son, nor would his candidacy been a surprise.

Modifié par yukidama, 31 mai 2010 - 05:58 .

[Finiffa]

Sarah1281 wrote...
If he was worthy to be King he'd already be in there? Is she calling him out because we got there late? He doesn't deserve to be King due to lack of punctuality? When exactly does Anora show up again? Oh right, five minutes before the vote. I'm pretty sure Eamon planned our late entrance anyway so he could get his speech in before Alistair and I show up and become the main event.

I always take it as an underhanded stab to Alistair for not being officially recognized by Maric.

Yuki beat me to it

Modifié par Finiffa, 31 mai 2010 - 06:00 .

[Sarah1281]

yukidama wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

That line always confuses me to no end. If he was worthy to be King he'd already be in there? Is she calling him out because we got there late? He doesn't deserve to be King due to lack of punctuality? When exactly does Anora show up again? Oh right, five minutes before the vote. I'm pretty sure Eamon planned our late entrance anyway so he could get his speech in before Alistair and I show up and become the main event.

I think she means that if he were truly worthy of being Maric's son he would have been in court his whole life and part of the Landsmeet without question all this time.

That makes more sense although it's phrased awkardly. It's hardly Alistair's fault he wasn't but oh well. That confrontation was always weird, anyway. Does Cauthrien honestly think murdering Loghain's political opponents right outside the door of the Landsmeet would do him any favors? It will just make him look like a horrible preson unfit to be regent as everyone would think he was responsible and Ferelden isn't like Orzammar. It's just a really, really bad place for an ambush. Anyone could open the door and see what was going on.

[LadyDamodred]

Sarah1281 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

That line always confuses me to no end. If he was worthy to be King he'd already be in there? Is she calling him out because we got there late? He doesn't deserve to be King due to lack of punctuality? When exactly does Anora show up again? Oh right, five minutes before the vote. I'm pretty sure Eamon planned our late entrance anyway so he could get his speech in before Alistair and I show up and become the main event.

I think she means that if he were truly worthy of being Maric's son he would have been in court his whole life and part of the Landsmeet without question all this time.

That makes more sense although it's phrased awkardly. It's hardly Alistair's fault he wasn't but oh well. That confrontation was always weird, anyway. Does Cauthrien honestly think murdering Loghain's political opponents right outside the door of the Landsmeet would do him any favors? It will just make him look like a horrible preson unfit to be regent as everyone would think he was responsible and Ferelden isn't like Orzammar. It's just a really, really bad place for an ambush. Anyone could open the door and see what was going on.

Well, it would end the contention over the throne if the other candidate is dead.  :x

[Sarah1281]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

That line always confuses me to no end. If he was worthy to be King he'd already be in there? Is she calling him out because we got there late? He doesn't deserve to be King due to lack of punctuality? When exactly does Anora show up again? Oh right, five minutes before the vote. I'm pretty sure Eamon planned our late entrance anyway so he could get his speech in before Alistair and I show up and become the main event.

I think she means that if he were truly worthy of being Maric's son he would have been in court his whole life and part of the Landsmeet without question all this time.

That makes more sense although it's phrased awkardly. It's hardly Alistair's fault he wasn't but oh well. That confrontation was always weird, anyway. Does Cauthrien honestly think murdering Loghain's political opponents right outside the door of the Landsmeet would do him any favors? It will just make him look like a horrible preson unfit to be regent as everyone would think he was responsible and Ferelden isn't like Orzammar. It's just a really, really bad place for an ambush. Anyone could open the door and see what was going on.

Well, it would end the contention over the throne if the other candidate is dead.  :x

That's such a military thing to do, though. Yes, it might have guarenteed Anora's spot on the throne but would it have convinced the nobles that the guy who goes around murdering his political opponents a la Howe was fit for regent? 

Modifié par Sarah1281, 31 mai 2010 - 06:14 .

[janeym27]

Thanks for the clarity on the age and backstory thing. It does seem that 21 is quite young, but DG would know.

I replayed the ending without doing the dark ritual. I had intended to sacrifice my Warden so Alistair could rule fairly and justly, but noooooooo. He just has to be the hero, doesn't he?

"Sanest thing I've ever done."
No, Alistair! You're meant to do what I tell you! What a time to start standing up for yourself.

And then all the business afterwards. Alistair sacrifices himself for the good of the nation, and no one even thanks him for it. And no one offers condolences to your Warden about losing her lover. It's all "let's have a party, and maybe we'll build a statue later." I was hoping we'd at least get to see Alistair have the royal funeral he deserved.
And then there was Wynne. What a **** she turned out to be. "Dead heros are all fine and good." Screw you, I loved him!

Sigh. Touching farewell totally marred by lack of consequence.

Has anyone left Alistair behind and gone to face the archdemon alone as a human noble, betrothed? Does it generate any differences at th ending, or is it the same as the general "warden sacrifice, Alistair king" ending? (meaning, is there any LI specific dialogue?)

[SurelyForth]

janeym27 wrote...

Has anyone left Alistair behind and gone to face the archdemon alone as a human noble, betrothed? Does it generate any differences at th ending, or is it the same as the general "warden sacrifice, Alistair king" ending? (meaning, is there any LI specific dialogue?)

He'll say that he thought you'd be together forever (paraphrased), which he'll say for any PC with whom he's in an active romance (even if he's married to Anora LOL). If he breaks up with you, he'll say "At one time I thought we'd be together forever." It's sweet and sad. 

And many of agree that his sacrifice is utterly ruined by how the game handles it. You get that beautiful scene with him on the roof and then it just doesn't matter. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 31 mai 2010 - 06:30 .

[Lady Jess]

So, being a mage in camp can be kinda fun...

[Sarah1281]

He says "I thought we'd be together forever" at your funeral.

[Finiffa]

janeym27 wrote...

Thanks for the clarity on the age and backstory thing. It does seem that 21 is quite young, but DG would know.

I replayed the ending without doing the dark ritual. I had intended to sacrifice my Warden so Alistair could rule fairly and justly, but noooooooo. He just has to be the hero, doesn't he?

"Sanest thing I've ever done."
No, Alistair! You're meant to do what I tell you! What a time to start standing up for yourself.

And then all the business afterwards. Alistair sacrifices himself for the good of the nation, and no one even thanks him for it. And no one offers condolences to your Warden about losing her lover. It's all "let's have a party, and maybe we'll build a statue later." I was hoping we'd at least get to see Alistair have the royal funeral he deserved.
And then there was Wynne. What a **** she turned out to be. "Dead heros are all fine and good." Screw you, I loved him!

Sigh. Touching farewell totally marred by lack of consequence.

Has anyone left Alistair behind and gone to face the archdemon alone as a human noble, betrothed? Does it generate any differences at th ending, or is it the same as the general "warden sacrifice, Alistair king" ending? (meaning, is there any LI specific dialogue?)

If you dont mind being spoilered you can watch it here:

[janeym27]

Sarah1281 wrote...

He says "I thought we'd be together forever" at your funeral.

D'aww. That's really sweet. Wish the Warden could have returned the favor, but ah well. Thanks.

I'm off to give him some Dalish lovin'.

Also, those mage screenies made me lol.

[Lady Jess]

Anyone know if stamina on armor, when playing an arcane warrior grants mana?

[Zeleen]

Finiffa wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Thanks for the clarity on the age and backstory thing. It does seem that 21 is quite young, but DG would know.

I replayed the ending without doing the dark ritual. I had intended to sacrifice my Warden so Alistair could rule fairly and justly, but noooooooo. He just has to be the hero, doesn't he?

"Sanest thing I've ever done."
No, Alistair! You're meant to do what I tell you! What a time to start standing up for yourself.

And then all the business afterwards. Alistair sacrifices himself for the good of the nation, and no one even thanks him for it. And no one offers condolences to your Warden about losing her lover. It's all "let's have a party, and maybe we'll build a statue later." I was hoping we'd at least get to see Alistair have the royal funeral he deserved.
And then there was Wynne. What a **** she turned out to be. "Dead heros are all fine and good." Screw you, I loved him!

Sigh. Touching farewell totally marred by lack of consequence.

Has anyone left Alistair behind and gone to face the archdemon alone as a human noble, betrothed? Does it generate any differences at th ending, or is it the same as the general "warden sacrifice, Alistair king" ending? (meaning, is there any LI specific dialogue?)

If you dont mind being spoilered you can watch it here:

WOW!  I've never played that ending...  I have to say that it brought tears to my eyes!  Great writing!

[Zeleen]

Lady Jess... I got a kick out of your "Camp Fire games" with your mage

[Serissia]

Lady Jess wrote...

Anyone know if stamina on armor, when playing an arcane warrior grants mana?

I believe it doesn't do anything since you don't have a stamina bar. 

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Edit:  Oh, and re. accents, elves are definitely supposed to have an accent.  I'm not sure how I picture it.  Something Eastern European, I think.

They sound Canadian to me, especially Shianni and Soris. 

Heh, I mean they're supposed to have accents, but in the game they decided to economize.  In TST the Dalish guy speaks with an accent and says only the ones who deal with humans frequently speak the king's tongue well.

[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Anyone know if stamina on armor, when playing an arcane warrior grants mana?

I believe it doesn't do anything since you don't have a stamina bar. 

Actually stamina bonus does work towards mana.  Found this out when my AW was equipping mismatched stuff for the magic bonuses but was always running out of mana.  A stamina-neutral armor setup (Evon the Great Mail + Wade's Superior Dragonscale boots and gloves) meant she never ran out of mana.

Modifié par Addai67, 31 mai 2010 - 06:48 .

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

So, being a mage in camp can be kinda fun...

LOL  I like how you think.

[Sandtigress]

janeym27 wrote...

Thanks for the clarity on the age and backstory thing. It does seem that 21 is quite young, but DG would know.

I replayed the ending without doing the dark ritual. I had intended to sacrifice my Warden so Alistair could rule fairly and justly, but noooooooo. He just has to be the hero, doesn't he?

"Sanest thing I've ever done."
No, Alistair! You're meant to do what I tell you! What a time to start standing up for yourself.

And then all the business afterwards. Alistair sacrifices himself for the good of the nation, and no one even thanks him for it. And no one offers condolences to your Warden about losing her lover. It's all "let's have a party, and maybe we'll build a statue later." I was hoping we'd at least get to see Alistair have the royal funeral he deserved.
And then there was Wynne. What a **** she turned out to be. "Dead heros are all fine and good." Screw you, I loved him!


Sigh. Touching farewell totally marred by lack of consequence.

Has anyone left Alistair behind and gone to face the archdemon alone as a human noble, betrothed? Does it generate any differences at th ending, or is it the same as the general "warden sacrifice, Alistair king" ending? (meaning, is there any LI specific dialogue?)

Guaranteed tear jerker

Yes, it's shameless promotion of a friend's fic....but it's so right.

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Anyone know if stamina on armor, when playing an arcane warrior grants mana?

I believe it doesn't do anything since you don't have a stamina bar. 

Actually stamina bonus does work towards mana.  Found this out when my AW was equipping mismatched stuff for the magic bonuses but was always running out of mana.  A stamina-neutral armor setup (Evon the Great Mail + Wade's Superior Dragonscale boots and gloves) meant she never ran out of mana.

Oh good, less winter forging for me...I hate that mod. I'm still not sure how to BE an AW. so basically I wear plate, and ****** things with pointy objects between spells. It has potential but to get any use out of it it's almost like you're forced to use mods to add extra skills and skill points.

[LadyDamodred]

Sandtigress wrote...
Guaranteed tear jerker

Yes, it's shameless promotion of a friend's fic....but it's so right.

You know, it's well-written, but I hate endings like that.  It basically invalidates Alistair's sacrifice. 

[MelRedux]

Lady Jess wrote...

So, being a mage in camp can be kinda fun...

 

[Serissia]

Lady Jess wrote...
Oh good, less winter forging for me...I hate that mod. I'm still not sure how to BE an AW. so basically I wear plate, and ****** things with pointy objects between spells. It has potential but to get any use out of it it's almost like you're forced to use mods to add extra skills and skill points.

It seems complex when you first dive into it but it's actually ridiculously simple.  I would pick up Moonwing's Ivory Tower plus his weapon/shield set.  You can go dw but I went s&s.  Fireball from a distance to get agro than run in and Fireball on yourself.  You should end up with 80% resistance to all magic in Moonwing's armor.  Pick things off with your weapon when they're low on life.  You should when fully buffed be doing around 70-90 a swing in white damage. 

The advantage to melee as a mage is you will never get Misdirection Hex cast on you.  The AI just doesn't cast it on mages. 

Modifié par Serissia, 31 mai 2010 - 07:02 .