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[Tirigon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And you're saying that the reason that the nobles who are rebelling didn't like Loghain was because he failed to put down their rebellion? So they were just hazing him and he failed miserably? 

No, but I´m saying that history would have remembered him as hero if he had won.


Anyways, we´re arguing on different roads.

Your point is that Ferelden doesn´t allow anyone without some odd claim to the throne - either by blood or by marriage with Cailan - rule, and that they are all eager to keep mages and elves down.

My point is that a ruler shouldn´t be chosen by blood but by his deeds, and noone has done more for Ferelden than the Warden. So I think noone has a stronger claim.
Maric would have understood, he thought the same way.

[Lady Jess]

tmp7704 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Anyone know the file name for the spellweaver sword? I'm trying to find it in the toolset and can't.

It's "Spellweaver" but the Toolset is stupid and doesn't allow to search by item's tag. You need to search for "gen_im_wep_mel_lsw_arw" (i'm not making this up)

It's easier to just open the "_Global" folder, then "Weapons, Melee" then "Longswords" and then finally "Unique" and it's there.

Thank you TMP! God what would we do without you. Oh and hey! Is there a way to use Leliana's hair from your morph for her. I tried when I saw it in my toolset, but ended up missing the top of my head and her morph went back to default...lol

[Gilsa]

@tmp -- just installed your neutral teeth mod and checked it out in the game. That is a very nice balance between coffee-stained and bleached white. I didn't even notice the teeth in the game and forgot that I had logged on specifically to see how they looked now. First person I went to was Sten and he looked perfectly fine. Excellent job!

[cmessaz]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Yeah, I hadn't crashed in a long time until I started playing a bomb throwing rogue again, which happens to be my fav way to play.
No my ears!!!!!

Anora making that speech is just WRONG lol.  Thank the Maker for the Escape button.  Just thinking about it makes me recoil lol

So I'll ask the same question I asked a couple of days ago, this or "Who iz dis wumon teeegon?"

Not sure what your question was a couple of days ago but if your asking which is worse well I'd have to say Anora lol.
Um considering  the fact that Anora's screeching speech is longer than Isode's "Who iz dis wumon teeegon?" lol.  You only have to hear it for a brief second to Anora's minute long or however long speech

I guess that depends on the route you take in Redcliffe with the demon. Her screeching is beyond irritating if you let Jowan free.

[Tirigon]

Lady Jess wrote...

Speaking of Andraste, wasn't SHE the one that coined "Magic should be used to serve man, not rule over him" in the first place? So if one was trying to go the Andraste route, it would be a bit hypocritical to use magic that way...

Andraste was a mage herself.

It depends on how you interpret "serve". The Chantry uses this rule as excuse to suppress mages. I understand it more in the way the Grey Wardens "serve": With power comes responsibility, and a mage should use his power to help the people and care for them, protect them from evil etc.

It does not mean a mage can´t hold mundane power; it means he shouldn´t abuse his power. But the same goes for a non-mage. This rule is a reaction to the deeds of the Tevinter magisters who abused magic to suppress non-mages.

[cmessaz]

Hold the phone, Andraste was a mage?

[sylvanaerie]

Tirigon wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And you're saying that the reason that the nobles who are rebelling didn't like Loghain was because he failed to put down their rebellion? So they were just hazing him and he failed miserably? 

No, but I´m saying that history would have remembered him as hero if he had won.


Anyways, we´re arguing on different roads.

Your point is that Ferelden doesn´t allow anyone without some odd claim to the throne - either by blood or by marriage with Cailan - rule, and that they are all eager to keep mages and elves down.

My point is that a ruler shouldn´t be chosen by blood but by his deeds, and noone has done more for Ferelden than the Warden. So I think noone has a stronger claim.
Maric would have understood, he thought the same way.

YOU are missing the point and I think you are arguing just to argue. Your point is invalidated because thats how things have worked in this world for over a thousand years.  its unrealistic to expect them to accept your elven bloodmage on sheer badassery alone. I'm sick of seeing this being argued in an Alistair gush thread and has nothing to do with the topic of Alistair (beyond the occasional he could be king mention).  Please if youi want to argue this make your own dang thread so this one can get back on Topic.  I would imagine that Alistair's face is pretty much mirroring my own at this point at all this off topic Blood mage queen BS.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 31 mai 2010 - 11:37 .

[Sarah1281]

cmessaz wrote...

Hold the phone, Andraste was a mage?

That is the alernative explanation found in that book you can give Wynne as a gift that allows for the possibility that the Maker wasn't really talking to her.

[Lady Jess]

Tirigon wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And you're saying that the reason that the nobles who are rebelling didn't like Loghain was because he failed to put down their rebellion? So they were just hazing him and he failed miserably? 

No, but I´m saying that history would have remembered him as hero if he had won.


Anyways, we´re arguing on different roads.

Your point is that Ferelden doesn´t allow anyone without some odd claim to the throne - either by blood or by marriage with Cailan - rule, and that they are all eager to keep mages and elves down.

My point is that a ruler shouldn´t be chosen by blood but by his deeds, and noone has done more for Ferelden than the Warden. So I think noone has a stronger claim.
Maric would have understood, he thought the same way.

Ummm...did you leave Alistair at Ostagar or something? I'm pretty sure he did as much as you.

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

Hold the phone, Andraste was a mage?

 
No where in the game lore I have found does it say she is a mage.

[cmessaz]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Hold the phone, Andraste was a mage?

That is the alernative explanation found in that book you can give Wynne as a gift that allows for the possibility that the Maker wasn't really talking to her.

Oh, I so need to read more codex and things in this game. Neato.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tirigon wrote...
Andraste was a mage herself.

It's still a theory. However likely it is, it's still not fact.
I once believed that the Maker was in fact a Fade spirit, but Justice's comments made me revise my theory. But it's still possible.

And it's not hypocritical for Andraste to use magic to "serve man", it's accepted within her own philosophy.

[KnightofPhoenix]

sylvanaerie wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Hold the phone, Andraste was a mage?

 
No where in the game lore I have found does it say she is a mage.

One book gift for Wynne argues that Andraste was a mage.

It's a theory and not a fact, as of yet.

[Tirigon]

cmessaz wrote...

Hold the phone, Andraste was a mage?

Most likely. Of course the chantry would burn me for saying it, but it´s the only explanation how she could defeat the Tevinters. There is even a book in the game that supports this theory so I´m not just making that up.

And remember the ghosts in the gauntlet? One of them speaks of "the Maker" striking the Tevinters with floods and burning heat. Sounds like magic to me.

Oh, and then there is the fact that Andraste´s followers used a magic ritual to turn themselves in Ash wraiths.

[Lady Jess]

Oh Geez Alistair totally Ninja romance Caislyn. Good thing I planned to romance him with her. Yep, chancellor Caislyn...and palace healer.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
Andraste was a mage herself.

It's still a theory. However likely it is, it's still not fact.
I once believed that the Maker was in fact a Fade spirit, but Justice's comments made me revise my theory. But it's still possible.

And it's not hypocritical for Andraste to use magic to "serve man", it's accepted within her own philosophy.

But it is hypocritical to use magic to force everyone to accept you as their ruler even though it's highly unnecssary and mostly just because you want to be a ruler.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...
Ummm...did you leave Alistair at Ostagar or something? I'm pretty sure he did as much as you.

You are kidding right? He made no input on the decision making at all.

And if usefullness is the measure, then Alistair's usefulness does not surpass the usefulness of the other members and that's saying the least.

[Tirigon]

Lady Jess wrote...


Ummm...did you leave Alistair at Ostagar or something? I'm pretty sure he did as much as you.

Darkspawn Chronicles anyone?:devil:


Good point, though. However, when i´m talking about my mage wanting to be queen it´s always by marrying Alistair and ruling at his side so it´s not really an argument against her claim.

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
Andraste was a mage herself.

It's still a theory. However likely it is, it's still not fact.
I once believed that the Maker was in fact a Fade spirit, but Justice's comments made me revise my theory. But it's still possible.

And it's not hypocritical for Andraste to use magic to "serve man", it's accepted within her own philosophy.

No no, I'm saying if your using Andraste as an example of standing up and fighting for something...it can't be to use magic to rule Ferelden, because Andraste herself said it was made to serve man not rule over him. And regardless of how the original poster defines "Serve" it still stands that taking the throne, by use of mind controlling magic is in fact using magic to rule over men.

[Tirigon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

But it is hypocritical to use magic to force everyone to accept you as their ruler even though it's highly unnecssary and mostly just because you want to be a ruler.

I´ll repeat myself, I don´t WANT that, I want my mage to rule with Alistair. However, I think it is better to use mind-control on the nobles than to let them go on with their way of ruling - or rather ruining - Ferelden.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
But it is hypocritical to use magic to force everyone to accept you as their ruler even though it's highly unnecssary and mostly just because you want to be a ruler.

If Andraste was truly sent my the Maker or if she truly believed it, then that was not her objective. In her mind, she was serving man.

And that Chantry line in specific delt with blood magic, the favorite tool of the Tevinters. Out of all other magical schools, blood magic is the only one that can literraly rule over man.




 

[tmp7704]

Lady Jess wrote...

Oh and hey! Is there a way to use Leliana's hair from your morph for her. I tried when I saw it in my toolset, but ended up missing the top of my head and her morph went back to default...lol

Hmm i'm not sure but as long as that folder is unpacked to core/override you should be able to select this hair in the Toolset for other human characters. The name is "hf_har_hb7704a_0" for the original one and "hf_har_hb7704b_0" for the one with the braid. Maybe you deleted the custom Leliana's folder after you made your .mor file? That would make the game no longer able to tell what this hair is supposed to look like. Or did you try to put it on character other than human, maybe?

[Sarah1281]

Tirigon wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Hold the phone, Andraste was a mage?

Most likely. Of course the chantry would burn me for saying it, but it´s the only explanation how she could defeat the Tevinters. There is even a book in the game that supports this theory so I´m not just making that up.

And remember the ghosts in the gauntlet? One of them speaks of "the Maker" striking the Tevinters with floods and burning heat. Sounds like magic to me.

Oh, and then there is the fact that Andraste´s followers used a magic ritual to turn themselves in Ash wraiths.

You do realize that that is hardly confirmed, right?

The codex entry says...
Legend has it that when Andraste's Ashes were taken into hiding, some of her closest disciples gave themselves to the fire, that their restless souls might remain to guard her final resting place forever. Whether they are the spirits of Andraste's disciples or merely Fade spirits, the temple that houses the Sacred Urn is filled with wraiths. Created from a burnt corpse, an ash wraith is a powerful and amorphous opponent able to lash and smother while being immune to most physical attacks. Even if successfully dispersed, it can reform at a later time. Magic is the only real way to fight such a creature, wind and ice attacks being the most useful.

Since all the other wraiths we meet are fade spiris that force their way into the real world and form makeshift body out of, in this case, ash then why should these wraiths be any different? 

And you don't have to be a mage to have mage followers. If you are a mage that does not mean your followeres also have to be mages. Really, the Ash Wraiths prove nothing and Andraste was pretty firmly against blood magic.

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Ummm...did you leave Alistair at Ostagar or something? I'm pretty sure he did as much as you.

You are kidding right? He made no input on the decision making at all.

And if usefullness is the measure, then Alistair's usefulness does not surpass the usefulness of the other members and that's saying the least.

KoP...do not make me do this to Morrigan...

[Tirigon]

Alistair is not amused.

Lady Jess wrote...


No no, I'm saying if your using Andraste as an example of standing up and fighting for something...it can't be to use magic to rule Ferelden, because Andraste herself said it was made to serve man not rule over him. And regardless of how the original poster defines "Serve" it still stands that taking the throne, by use of mind controlling magic is in fact using magic to rule over men.

That´s true. But magic is only a means to an end. it´s not as if I wanted to re-legalize the use of slaves for bloodmagic or sth. It´s more that you have to use whatever means you have to fight for what´s right. And that´s what Andraste did, too.

Modifié par Tirigon, 31 mai 2010 - 11:47 .