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[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...
No no, I'm saying if your using Andraste as an example of standing up and fighting for something...it can't be to use magic to rule Ferelden, because Andraste herself said it was made to serve man not rule over him. And regardless of how the original poster defines "Serve" it still stands that taking the throne, by use of mind controlling magic is in fact using magic to rule over men.

Oh, I misread. That's what happens when I go into a convo blndfolded. Sorry about that.

Yes, using blood magic to take the throne does not fit in Andraste's philosophy.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tirigon wrote...
That´s true. But magic is only a means to an end. it´s not as if I wanted to re-legalize the use of slaves for bloodmagic or sth. It´s more that you have to use whatever means you have to fight for what´s right. And that´s what Andraste did, too.

Andraste did not use blood magic, as far as we know.

[sylvanaerie]

Lady Jess wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Ummm...did you leave Alistair at Ostagar or something? I'm pretty sure he did as much as you.

You are kidding right? He made no input on the decision making at all.

And if usefullness is the measure, then Alistair's usefulness does not surpass the usefulness of the other members and that's saying the least.

KoP...do not make me do this to Morrigan...

LOL thats hilarious!

[Lady Jess]

tmp7704 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Oh and hey! Is there a way to use Leliana's hair from your morph for her. I tried when I saw it in my toolset, but ended up missing the top of my head and her morph went back to default...lol

Hmm i'm not sure but as long as that folder is unpacked to core/override you should be able to select this hair in the Toolset for other human characters. The name is "hf_har_hb7704a_0" for the original one and "hf_har_hb7704b_0" for the one with the braid. Maybe you deleted the custom Leliana's folder after you made your .mor file? That would make the game no longer able to tell what this hair is supposed to look like. Or did you try to put it on character other than human, maybe?

I put the folder in toolset export, and used it on a human. Maybe file location? I downloaded you sex scenes at the same time and was too lazy to change locations, I just remembered the suggestion to put the sex scene in there and got lazy...lol

[KnightofPhoenix]

Poor Leli...Oh and look, Alistair is crying for her muahahaha

[Sarah1281]

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

[quote]Sarah1281 wrote...
But it is hypocritical to use magic to force everyone to accept you as their ruler even though it's highly unnecssary and mostly just because you want to be a ruler.
[/quote]

If Andraste was truly sent my the Maker or if she truly believed it, then that was not her objective. In her mind, she was serving man.

And that Chantry line in specific delt with blood magic, the favorite tool of the Tevinters. Out of all other magical schools, blood magic is the only one that can literraly rule over man. [/quote] Yes but since I'm talking about Tirigon's plan to use blood magic to force people to accept their mage as Queen then that pretty much flies in the face of everything Andraste stood for.

[quote] I´ll repeat myself, I don´t WANT that, I want my mage to rule with Alistair. However, I think it is better to use mind-control on the nobles than to let them go on with their way of ruling - or rather ruining - Ferelden. [ /quote] I still don't quite understand why you can't just be Alistair's chancellor and have him frequently defer to you, improving the lot of mages and elves slowly over time in ways people could accept. Kings and Queens cannot marry for love, you know, but do so for politcs. If the HN just happens to love Alistair then that's an added bonus. How would Alistair marrying an elven mage be a good political move or, in fact, preventing the Landsmeet from changing their mind and going with Anora? 

[Lady Jess]

Tirigon wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...


No no, I'm saying if your using Andraste as an example of standing up and fighting for something...it can't be to use magic to rule Ferelden, because Andraste herself said it was made to serve man not rule over him. And regardless of how the original poster defines "Serve" it still stands that taking the throne, by use of mind controlling magic is in fact using magic to rule over men.

That´s true. But magic is only a means to an end. it´s not as if I wanted to re-legalize the use of slaves for bloodmagic or sth. It´s more that you have to use whatever means you have to fight for what´s right. And that´s what Andraste did, too.

But she did NOT use magic to rule over man. For pete's sake go downloadload the anyone can marry Alistair mod and be done  with it, if it's that important that your elf/blood mage be queen. But don't try and convince the thread that it's perfectly justified, or that she's entitled to it. Just do it, play it, and move along.

[sylvanaerie]

For KoP...Vanilla Morrigan (yes you inspired me to try to go back to the original) She seems really interested in what Roland and Alistair are talking abouit...I wonder if this is for the Lulz too?

[Lady Jess]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Ummm...did you leave Alistair at Ostagar or something? I'm pretty sure he did as much as you.

You are kidding right? He made no input on the decision making at all.

And if usefullness is the measure, then Alistair's usefulness does not surpass the usefulness of the other members and that's saying the least.

KoP...do not make me do this to Morrigan...

LOL thats hilarious!

Whoever called her firecrotch...well, now it's literally on fire!

[tmp7704]

Tirigon wrote...

Most likely. Of course the chantry would burn me for saying it, but it´s the only explanation how she could defeat the Tevinters. There is even a book in the game that supports this theory so I´m not just making that up.

And remember the ghosts in the gauntlet? One of them speaks of "the Maker" striking the Tevinters with floods and burning heat. Sounds like magic to me.

It's one possible explanation but certainly not the only one.

Oh, and then there is the fact that Andraste´s followers used a magic ritual to turn themselves in Ash wraiths.

These followers trace their origins to Tevinter and have very little relation to actual Andraste...

[Sarah1281]

That´s true. But magic is only a means to an end. it´s not as if I wanted to re-legalize the use of slaves for bloodmagic or sth. It´s more that you have to use whatever means you have to fight for what´s right. And that´s what Andraste did, too.

How is 'letting anyone who happens to know blood magic be queen' fighting for what's right? Jowan knows blood magic. Should he be able to rule alongside Anora?

[Tirigon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Andraste did not use blood magic, as far as we know.

Can we be sure?

I mean, if you believe in the Maker, then you´re right. But considering that even the Chantry says the Maker has left the world I doubt that.

Andraste must have been one of the most powerful mages ever, and we know Blood Magic gives insane powers.

And the way everyone loved her and followed her seems like successful mind control.....




Anyways, even if she didn´t use Blood Magic I´m sure she wouldn´t mind it as long as you use it to serve man. I don´t think I ever read Andraste explicitly forbade Blood Magic.

[mellifera]

This is me right now...

[KnightofPhoenix]

sylvanaerie wrote...

For KoP...Vanilla Morrigan (yes you inspired me to try to go back to the original) She seems really interested in what Roland and Alistair are talking abouit...I wonder if this is for the Lulz too?

It's good that you reverted

And the reality is that Morrigan is looking at those boys and she realised how inadequate they are comapred to KoP

Oh and your PC. Bann Teagan much? lol

[Tirigon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

How is 'letting anyone who happens to know blood magic be queen' fighting for what's right? Jowan knows blood magic. Should he be able to rule alongside Anora?

He has proven he can´t even care for his lover, let alone a country. The Warden however saved that bloody country! If it wasn´t for your Warden all these people possibly refusing your rule would be dead, ghouls or broodmothers!

Modifié par Tirigon, 31 mai 2010 - 11:54 .

[sylvanaerie]

Tirigon wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Andraste did not use blood magic, as far as we know.

Can we be sure?

I mean, if you believe in the Maker, then you´re right. But considering that even the Chantry says the Maker has left the world I doubt that.

Andraste must have been one of the most powerful mages ever, and we know Blood Magic gives insane powers.

And the way everyone loved her and followed her seems like successful mind control.....




Anyways, even if she didn´t use Blood Magic I´m sure she wouldn´t mind it as long as you use it to serve man. I don´t think I ever read Andraste explicitly forbade Blood Magic.

Please go create your own thread on this topic, you have derailed this one to the point the train has skipped the track and fallen into the river.  Or maybe you should just download the mod that lets your bloodmage/elf be queen and ignore the fact that in game lore it makes ZERO sense at all.

[tmp7704]

Lady Jess wrote...

I put the folder in toolset export, and used it on a human. Maybe file location? I downloaded you sex scenes at the same time and was too lazy to change locations, I just remembered the suggestion to put the sex scene in there and got lazy...lol

Nah toolsetexport should be fine, but maybe check if the files are still in there; there's at least couple ways to quietly delete them when using the Toolset. Or to make it easier simply download the Leliana thingie and unpack it to core/override again, and see if that helps?   You can delete just the *.mor file if you want to have different Leliana appearance, everything else in the folder is for the hairstyles, skin tone and such.

[Tirigon]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Please go create your own thread on this topic, you have derailed this one to the point the train has skipped the track and fallen into the river.  Or maybe you should just download the mod that lets your bloodmage/elf be queen and ignore the fact that in game lore it makes ZERO sense at all.

Ah well. If you´re not interested in a serious discussion I shall take my leave. Unfortunately, though I can´t use this mod because it conflicts with other stuff....

[sylvanaerie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

For KoP...Vanilla Morrigan (yes you inspired me to try to go back to the original) She seems really interested in what Roland and Alistair are talking abouit...I wonder if this is for the Lulz too?

It's good that you reverted

And the reality is that Morrigan is looking at those boys and she realised how inadequate they are comapred to KoP

Oh and your PC. Bann Teagan much? lol

LOL Its deliberate.  If I am gonna look at a guy PC and give up Bann Teagan flirtation/Alistair lovin's I am gonna create something I WANT to look at for 50 or so hours.  I got a bet going that if I can finish a marry Anora ending then he has to run a HNF through the game and marry Alistair   I told him he doesn't have to romance him though.
BTW, I hope you had a good day today?

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 31 mai 2010 - 11:57 .

[Lady Jess]

Tirigon wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

How is 'letting anyone who happens to know blood magic be queen' fighting for what's right? Jowan knows blood magic. Should he be able to rule alongside Anora?

He has proven he can´t even care for his lover, let alone a country. The Warden however saved that bloody country! If it wasn´t for your Warden all these people possibly refusing your rule would be dead, ghouls or broodmothers!

Hehe never mind read that wrong:PB)

Modifié par Lady Jess, 31 mai 2010 - 11:58 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tirigon wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Andraste did not use blood magic, as far as we know.

Can we be sure?

I mean, if you believe in the Maker, then you´re right. But considering that even the Chantry says the Maker has left the world I doubt that.

Andraste must have been one of the most powerful mages ever, and we know Blood Magic gives insane powers.

And the way everyone loved her and followed her seems like successful mind control.....

Anyways, even if she didn´t use Blood Magic I´m sure she wouldn´t mind it as long as you use it to serve man. I don´t think I ever read Andraste explicitly forbade Blood Magic.

This is full of assumptions with no proof. And no, nothing indicates Andraste used any kind of blood magic. Being popular doesn't have to be through blood magic. Infact I would be quite surprised if she managed to midn control tens of thousands of people. Charisma can exist without mind ccontrol as far as I know and Andraste was charismatic.

And yes, she explicitly forbade it. Why? Because it's everything she stood against. The Tevinter mages used blood magic to exert their percieved tyranny. Blood magic is the only magical school that can dominate the mind of others and that is explicity rejected by Andraste.

So no, you cannot mind control a man whle serving him.

You can justify the use of blood magic and I personally don't mind it. But you can't do so on the basis of Andrastian philosophy.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

How is 'letting anyone who happens to know blood magic be queen' fighting for what's right? Jowan knows blood magic. Should he be able to rule alongside Anora?

He has proven he can´t even care for his lover, let alone a country. The Warden however saved that bloody country! If it wasn´t for your Warden all these people possibly refusing your rule would be dead, ghouls or broodmothers!

This begs the question, why would you even be IN the Alistair gush thread?

Well that didn't stop me now did it?

[Tirigon]

Lady Jess wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

He has proven he can´t even care for his lover, let alone a country. The Warden however saved that bloody country! If it wasn´t for your Warden all these people possibly refusing your rule would be dead, ghouls or broodmothers!

This begs the question, why would you even be IN the Alistair gush thread?

That referred to Iowan, not Alistair! Alistair is in fact a good king.

[Sarah1281]

Anyways, even if she didn´t use Blood Magic I´m sure she wouldn´t mind it as long as you use it to serve man. I don´t think I ever read Andraste explicitly forbade Blood Magic.

Andraste did say that magic exists to serve man not to rule over them. If you do not even believe she says no to blood magic, what do you feel she means by this?

He has proven he can´t even care for his lover, let alone a country. The Warden however saved that bloody country! If it wasn´t for your Warden all these people possibly refusing your rule would be dead, ghouls or broodmothers!

Yes, and they're very grateful. But since you do not fit the minimum qualifications as Queen (human, not a mage, noble) then you can't do it. That's like saying if a twenty-three year old born in Mexico single-handedly saved the United States (and possibly more than that) from a nuclear explosion then they should get to be President. Maybe in an ideal world but the fact remains that they do not meet the minimum qualifications for the role (being born in the US and being at least 35).



It may not be fair, but life isn't fair and Ferelden sure as hell isn't or did you miss the part where the CE gets executed if not recruited for attempting to defend themselves and others from getting raped?

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

How is 'letting anyone who happens to know blood magic be queen' fighting for what's right? Jowan knows blood magic. Should he be able to rule alongside Anora?

He has proven he can´t even care for his lover, let alone a country. The Warden however saved that bloody country! If it wasn´t for your Warden all these people possibly refusing your rule would be dead, ghouls or broodmothers!

This begs the question, why would you even be IN the Alistair gush thread?

Well that didn't stop me now did it?

You have the power of TIM