Kryyptehk wrote...
Alistair didn't abandon his nation, he's a Grey Warden, his allegiance goes to no one. So desertion doesn't hold up in any fair judgement.
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 juin 2010 - 06:49 .
Kryyptehk wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
Hey this works equally well for Loghain.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
In my Pc's mind, he allowed the execution on the charge of desertion.
Not counting the whole poisoning, slave selling, and illegal regency goodness.
Except Loghain did not abandon his nation, while Alistair did.
But of course, I have never denied the fact that you can execute Loghain for desertion, it's a valid way to look at it. I personally do not think Loghain deserted his nation, only his idiotic king, thus does not deserve to be executed, but does deserve to be punished hence why he is stripped away of all titles
Alistair didn't abandon his nation, he's a Grey Warden, his allegiance goes to no one. So desertion doesn't hold up in any fair judgement.
[/quote]Modifié par Tirigon, 01 juin 2010 - 06:52 .
Some people view their PCs as a Grey Warden general. Who appoints them that or what it's supposed to mean in a country with no Grey Wardens, I don't know.Kryyptehk wrote...
Alistair didn't abandon his nation, he's a Grey Warden, his allegiance goes to no one. So desertion doesn't hold up in any fair judgement.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Kryyptehk wrote...
So what you are saying is that Arcturus is no different than Alistair? Alistair was betrayed by Loghain (as was every other soldier he deserted), Loghain commited treason, and he is offensive by daring to call the PC a hand of the Orlesian Empire.
Alsitair was not commanding the army at Ostagar. Loghain did not desert him, he deserted the king. And soldiers get left behind all the time in strategic retreats. I do not view Loghain's act as a desertion. But as a strategic and calculated military action. Alistair's desertion is just that. Desertion.
And Loghain gets punished for his seeming treason by getting stripped from his tiutles and forced to join his former enemies. Sadly Alsitair can't be conscripted to be saved from his crime.Kryyptehk wrote...
The thing about Harrowmont is that he is not the son of a hero who liberated a nation, he is not the last of his legendary line. Alistair is. Anora should want to keep him alive just for that reason alone. Or at least kill him quietly. Calling for the execution of a man who offended her and defending her father who commited treason is hypocritical.
Why should the fact that Alsitair being the son of Maric, who didn't even recognise him, matter when he is deserting the nation his father saved?
Whatever symbol the Thereins have is lost when one of them is abandoning his nation.
Like I am beating myself to death with faceplants into my desk?sylvanaerie wrote...
yeesh Sorry I even said anything. This isn't the Alistair vs Loghain thread. Can we please drop this topic? its been beaten to death so many times on so many boards.
Addai67 wrote...
Some people view their PCs as a Grey Warden general. Who appoints them that or what it's supposed to mean in a country with no Grey Wardens, I don't know.Kryyptehk wrote...
Alistair didn't abandon his nation, he's a Grey Warden, his allegiance goes to no one. So desertion doesn't hold up in any fair judgement.
Technically you desert the Grey Wardens if you become consort, too. Alistair points this out when he says "if they can make an exception for me, they can make one for you" when he's trying to recruit you into his court.
Addai67 wrote...
Some people view their PCs as a Grey Warden general. Who appoints them that or what it's supposed to mean in a country with no Grey Wardens, I don't know.Kryyptehk wrote...
Alistair didn't abandon his nation, he's a Grey Warden, his allegiance goes to no one. So desertion doesn't hold up in any fair judgement.
Technically you desert the Grey Wardens if you become consort, too. Alistair points this out when he says "if they can make an exception for me, they can make one for you" when he's trying to recruit you into his court.
Lady Jess wrote...
Last night, I was saying how Caislyn, my AW/spirit healer good girl mage needs toughened up. Right now she has no solid reason to tell Alistair about people being out for themselves, because little miss sunshine and rainbows doesn't see it. I decided that catalyst would have to be the reunion with Jowan. She still has alot of guilt for setting him up, though she did it with good intentions, and will likely set him free again out of that guilt. So I figure Wynne will grab her by the ear and pull her aside and give her a lecture about learning to "toughen up" and not let people use her good heart against her. And then later, someone will have to convince her it's ok to make a grab for what you want, I'm thinking Morrigan in combination with Wynne's apology about her and Alistair?
LadyDamodred wrote...
*lols at syl's nakie Roland* Ah, the fun with missing mods. XD
cmessaz wrote...
He tries to talk you into being consort?
Kryyptehk wrote...
I still don't see how Alistair is deserting Ferelden. But I'm saying that it is stupid to kill the son of such an important figure, which most nobles know by the time the Landsmeet comes around.
Kryyptehk wrote...
And Loghain still deserted the king, which is treason, regicide, and desertion. Most importantly, he wasn't doing it "strategically". He was doing it because Cailan suggested that they allow the Orlesian forces to help them.
Mel_Redux wrote...
Hey! Everyone look over here, shiny!!!
*whispers* is everyone distracted from Alistair vs. Loghain yet??
that shot of her, its where she is talking about her mother isn't it?
Mel_Redux wrote...
Hey! Everyone look over here, shiny!!!
*whispers* is everyone distracted from Alistair vs. Loghain yet??
Mel_Redux wrote...
Hey! Everyone look over here, shiny!!!
*whispers* is everyone distracted from Alistair vs. Loghain yet??
What?! He dumped my HN, unless she made herself consort at the landsmeet! How does this happen?Tirigon wrote...
cmessaz wrote...
He tries to talk you into being consort?
Unless you happen NOT to be a Cousland, then he dumps you.......
Mel_Redux wrote...
*whispers* is everyone distracted from Alistair vs. Loghain yet??
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