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[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Isn't the Alistair storyline pretty much wrapped up anyway? What more are you guys expecting?

If the femWarden and Alistair are both alive, assuming he's not married to An:sick:ra with Loghain spared, then the god baby is just as much a part of Alistair's story as it is for a Warden who romanced Morrigan.

Regardless, I think people just want to adventure with him.  Doesn't have to be about him.  I'm becoming reconciled to the idea that we've seen the last of him and of our Wardens.  Maybe one more DLC, and you see how "quality" the DLCs have been in terms of interaction with our NPC companions, so my expectations are suitably low.  Like, really low.

Modifié par Addai67, 02 juin 2010 - 04:57 .

[mellifera]

sabreene wrote...

I think there are so many ways to RP the whole Alistair-romance-king-notking thing, and so many different personal philosophies that come into it, that no one will ever agree.

I will say that a mistress does not mean being supported by a man. And also, that historically many mistresses had no problem with the king having a wife/children, because they had a life of their own. A romance isn't the end all be all of life.

If we're trying to be realistic and taking into consideration the ending of Awakening, our PC is going to go off someplace anyway. So she won't be around to care if Alistair gets married.

The only one who disappears without Alistair is the character who is married to him, haha.

[Axekix]

yukidama wrote...

I have no hopes and fully expect to be disappointed when E3 rolls around. Hopefully my "have no expectations and you won't be upset" attitude will help me this time around.

Has that worked for you in the past?  Maybe I should try it.

[mellifera]

Axekix wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I have no hopes and fully expect to be disappointed when E3 rolls around. Hopefully my "have no expectations and you won't be upset" attitude will help me this time around.

Has that worked for you in the past?  Maybe I should try it.

It has worked very well. And if it doesn't end up being total crap, the surprise is that much sweeter.

[Lady Jess]

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I think there are so many ways to RP the whole Alistair-romance-king-notking thing, and so many different personal philosophies that come into it, that no one will ever agree.

I will say that a mistress does not mean being supported by a man. And also, that historically many mistresses had no problem with the king having a wife/children, because they had a life of their own. A romance isn't the end all be all of life.

If we're trying to be realistic and taking into consideration the ending of Awakening, our PC is going to go off someplace anyway. So she won't be around to care if Alistair gets married.

The only one who disappears without Alistair is the character who is married to him, haha.

Yeah, makes me wonder why I'm dragging Kasha through awakening again really. Oh...screenshots, and that epic face after the mother.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Or...he could cease to exist along with the warden, the queen and the nugs the minute you choose "exit game" for the last time on that character.

Well yes if you're looking at him as a video game character but if you're doing that then what the hell does it matter if Alistair dumps you, dies, you're mistress, he's King, anything? In Ferelden life goes on and you need to apply a certain degree of realism. How many real-life Kings never got married to avoid hurting their mistress' feelings and were just fine with not even trying to have children? And I say Kings not Queens because getting married as a ruling Queen often had too many risks for them to do it and was more about power than true love anyway.

FWIW I agree with you and I still do the mistress ending almost every time.  But we've hashed it out here many times so not going to go into it further.

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Isn't the Alistair storyline pretty much wrapped up anyway? What more are you guys expecting?

If the femWarden and Alistair are both alive, assuming he's not married to An:sick:ra with Loghain spared, then the god baby is just as much a part of Alistair's story as it is for a Warden who romanced Morrigan.

Well, I don't know if I would say that.  I mean Alistair wants nothing to do with Morrigan after she leaves, no?  I doubt he'll go looking for her.  The M!PC has the option of chasing after her though... and if he romanced her, well that's the woman he loves leaving with his child.   Now I'm all sad...

Regardless, I think people just want to adventure with him.  Doesn't have to be about him.  I'm becoming reconciled to the idea that we've seen the last of him and of our Wardens.  Maybe one more DLC, and you see how "quality" the DLCs have been in terms of interaction with our NPC companions, so my expectations are suitably low.  Like, really low.

Yeah I can see where you're coming from.  Although I don't know how much adventuring the king will have time for.  They do owe Alistair fans something after they made him look like a complete ass in Darkspawn Chronicles.

[Axekix]

yukidama wrote...

Axekix wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I have no hopes and fully expect to be disappointed when E3 rolls around. Hopefully my "have no expectations and you won't be upset" attitude will help me this time around.

Has that worked for you in the past?  Maybe I should try it.

It has worked very well. And if it doesn't end up being total crap, the surprise is that much sweeter.

The Morrigan storyline just has SO many directions it can go... I can't help myself.  Le sigh... *prepares to have dreams crushed*

[Sarah1281]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Isn't the Alistair storyline pretty much wrapped up anyway? What more are you guys expecting?

If the femWarden and Alistair are both alive, assuming he's not married to An:sick:ra with Loghain spared, then the god baby is just as much a part of Alistair's story as it is for a Warden who romanced Morrigan.

Well, I don't know if I would say that.  I mean Alistair wants nothing to do with Morrigan after she leaves, no?  I doubt he'll go looking for her.  The M!PC has the option of chasing after her though... and if he romanced her, well that's the woman he loves leaving with his child.   Now I'm all sad...

Option? The Awakenings ending gives you no choice so even if you sacrificed Alistair or Loghain and have no child with her you are still forced to stalk her if you're okay with her leaving.

[Axekix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Isn't the Alistair storyline pretty much wrapped up anyway? What more are you guys expecting?

If the femWarden and Alistair are both alive, assuming he's not married to An:sick:ra with Loghain spared, then the god baby is just as much a part of Alistair's story as it is for a Warden who romanced Morrigan.

Well, I don't know if I would say that.  I mean Alistair wants nothing to do with Morrigan after she leaves, no?  I doubt he'll go looking for her.  The M!PC has the option of chasing after her though... and if he romanced her, well that's the woman he loves leaving with his child.   Now I'm all sad...

Option? The Awakenings ending gives you no choice so even if you sacrificed Alistair or Loghain and have no child with her you are still forced to stalk her if you're okay with her leaving.

Oh really?  I've only done Awakenings once on my PC who romanced her.  Hah.

[mellifera]

Lady Jess wrote...

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I think there are so many ways to RP the whole Alistair-romance-king-notking thing, and so many different personal philosophies that come into it, that no one will ever agree.

I will say that a mistress does not mean being supported by a man. And also, that historically many mistresses had no problem with the king having a wife/children, because they had a life of their own. A romance isn't the end all be all of life.

If we're trying to be realistic and taking into consideration the ending of Awakening, our PC is going to go off someplace anyway. So she won't be around to care if Alistair gets married.

The only one who disappears without Alistair is the character who is married to him, haha.

Yeah, makes me wonder why I'm dragging Kasha through awakening again really. Oh...screenshots, and that epic face after the mother.

"Hey... where'd the queen go?"

"Who knows, but we ~know her story isn't over!!"

"Oh,  okay. Let's not search for her or wonder what the hell happened to her at all."

The End.

[sabreene]

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I think there are so many ways to RP the whole Alistair-romance-king-notking thing, and so many different personal philosophies that come into it, that no one will ever agree.

I will say that a mistress does not mean being supported by a man. And also, that historically many mistresses had no problem with the king having a wife/children, because they had a life of their own. A romance isn't the end all be all of life.

If we're trying to be realistic and taking into consideration the ending of Awakening, our PC is going to go off someplace anyway. So she won't be around to care if Alistair gets married.

The only one who disappears without Alistair is the character who is married to him, haha.

Oh, that's right! Now I remember why my HN is still at Amarathine and hasn't left to kill the mother yet.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Well, I don't know if I would say that.  I mean Alistair wants nothing to do with Morrigan after she leaves, no?  I doubt he'll go looking for her. 

They're not really going to bring back the god baby for just a romantic story line, right?  I mean, if anything that is what Gaider is saying when he talks about not expecting a white picket fence with Morrigan.  If the god baby shows up again, it's going to be with some "pow".  One way or another.  I'm hoping DuranDuranistair saves the world, myself.

Yeah I can see where you're coming from.  Although I don't know how much adventuring the king will have time for.  They do owe Alistair fans something after they made him look like a complete ass in Darkspawn Chronicles.

Most of the epilogues have him leaving the throne for a time, for whatever reason- to go to Weisshaupt or, if his lover has remained with the Grey Wardens, to be at her side.  It sounds to me like even as king, Alistair goes back to GW duty at some point.  We don't know the circumstances of that, however.

[mellifera]

sabreene wrote...

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I think there are so many ways to RP the whole Alistair-romance-king-notking thing, and so many different personal philosophies that come into it, that no one will ever agree.

I will say that a mistress does not mean being supported by a man. And also, that historically many mistresses had no problem with the king having a wife/children, because they had a life of their own. A romance isn't the end all be all of life.

If we're trying to be realistic and taking into consideration the ending of Awakening, our PC is going to go off someplace anyway. So she won't be around to care if Alistair gets married.

The only one who disappears without Alistair is the character who is married to him, haha.

Oh, that's right! Now I remember why my HN is still at Amarathine and hasn't left to kill the mother yet.

Clearly he doesn't give a flying f!ck if the throne is left totally abandoned if he has a mistress to run off with... but doesn't give a crap and a half if his wife disappears suddenly? Hahaha, the stupidity burns.

[sabreene]

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I think there are so many ways to RP the whole Alistair-romance-king-notking thing, and so many different personal philosophies that come into it, that no one will ever agree.

I will say that a mistress does not mean being supported by a man. And also, that historically many mistresses had no problem with the king having a wife/children, because they had a life of their own. A romance isn't the end all be all of life.

If we're trying to be realistic and taking into consideration the ending of Awakening, our PC is going to go off someplace anyway. So she won't be around to care if Alistair gets married.

The only one who disappears without Alistair is the character who is married to him, haha.

Oh, that's right! Now I remember why my HN is still at Amarathine and hasn't left to kill the mother yet.

Clearly he doesn't give a flying f!ck if the throne is left totally abandoned if he has a mistress to run off with... but doesn't give a crap and a half if his wife disappears suddenly? Hahaha, the stupidity burns.

Eamon must've pushed him into running off. Now he's the closest one with any ties to the kingship. Sneaky, sneaky!

And if he runs off while married to Anora, well, who could blame him there??!! (haven't done this, so don't know if he does or not)

[mellifera]

sabreene wrote...

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I think there are so many ways to RP the whole Alistair-romance-king-notking thing, and so many different personal philosophies that come into it, that no one will ever agree.

I will say that a mistress does not mean being supported by a man. And also, that historically many mistresses had no problem with the king having a wife/children, because they had a life of their own. A romance isn't the end all be all of life.

If we're trying to be realistic and taking into consideration the ending of Awakening, our PC is going to go off someplace anyway. So she won't be around to care if Alistair gets married.

The only one who disappears without Alistair is the character who is married to him, haha.

Oh, that's right! Now I remember why my HN is still at Amarathine and hasn't left to kill the mother yet.

Clearly he doesn't give a flying f!ck if the throne is left totally abandoned if he has a mistress to run off with... but doesn't give a crap and a half if his wife disappears suddenly? Hahaha, the stupidity burns.

Eamon must've pushed him into running off. Now he's the closest one with any ties to the kingship. Sneaky, sneaky!

And if he runs off while married to Anora, well, who could blame him there??!! (haven't done this, so don't know if he does or not)

As the Warden Queen lies poisoned dying in a ditch somewhere lol.

Oh well. Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, life goes on, brah!

Modifié par yukidama, 02 juin 2010 - 05:20 .

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Well, I don't know if I would say that.  I mean Alistair wants nothing to do with Morrigan after she leaves, no?  I doubt he'll go looking for her. 

They're not really going to bring back the god baby for just a romantic story line, right?  I mean, if anything that is what Gaider is saying when he talks about not expecting a white picket fence with Morrigan.  If the god baby shows up again, it's going to be with some "pow".  One way or another.  I'm hoping DuranDuranistair saves the world, myself.

Oh not just for the romance, no.  But Morrigan seems to want to stay hidden, and Alistair seems to be fine with that.  I suspect if we do see her again and it involves our original PC it will be in a situation where we've found her rather than the other way around.  Although I suppose that could involve Alistair depending on how his story goes.

MalePCs have her ring to "track" her in a sense, I wonder how they'd write it for a femPC though.

Most of the epilogues have him leaving the throne for a time, for whatever reason- to go to Weisshaupt or, if his lover has remained with the Grey Wardens, to be at her side.  It sounds to me like even as king, Alistair goes back to GW duty at some point.  We don't know the circumstances of that, however.

I'd actually love to see a continuation of his story where the strides he's made as king are apparent.  Chronicles just made him look like a terrible leader on his own (which while lulzy was a bit over the top imo).

Modifié par Axekix, 02 juin 2010 - 05:20 .

[Lady Jess]

yukidama wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I think there are so many ways to RP the whole Alistair-romance-king-notking thing, and so many different personal philosophies that come into it, that no one will ever agree.

I will say that a mistress does not mean being supported by a man. And also, that historically many mistresses had no problem with the king having a wife/children, because they had a life of their own. A romance isn't the end all be all of life.

If we're trying to be realistic and taking into consideration the ending of Awakening, our PC is going to go off someplace anyway. So she won't be around to care if Alistair gets married.

The only one who disappears without Alistair is the character who is married to him, haha.

Yeah, makes me wonder why I'm dragging Kasha through awakening again really. Oh...screenshots, and that epic face after the mother.

"Hey... where'd the queen go?"

"Who knows, but we ~know her story isn't over!!"

"Oh,  okay. Let's not search for her or wonder what the hell happened to her at all."

The End.

However GW ending and solo king/still in romance option...they disappear together!

[Lady Jess]

sabreene wrote...

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

yukidama wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I think there are so many ways to RP the whole Alistair-romance-king-notking thing, and so many different personal philosophies that come into it, that no one will ever agree.

I will say that a mistress does not mean being supported by a man. And also, that historically many mistresses had no problem with the king having a wife/children, because they had a life of their own. A romance isn't the end all be all of life.

If we're trying to be realistic and taking into consideration the ending of Awakening, our PC is going to go off someplace anyway. So she won't be around to care if Alistair gets married.

The only one who disappears without Alistair is the character who is married to him, haha.

Oh, that's right! Now I remember why my HN is still at Amarathine and hasn't left to kill the mother yet.

Clearly he doesn't give a flying f!ck if the throne is left totally abandoned if he has a mistress to run off with... but doesn't give a crap and a half if his wife disappears suddenly? Hahaha, the stupidity burns.

Eamon must've pushed him into running off. Now he's the closest one with any ties to the kingship. Sneaky, sneaky!

And if he runs off while married to Anora, well, who could blame him there??!! (haven't done this, so don't know if he does or not)

Bets on the disappearances being a hunt for Morrigan? No really, it's as sound a theory as anything!

Queen goes off by herself, leaving king to rule Ferelden

Mistress..well, let's say the king got married sometime between Awakening and the disappearance. His wife or Eamon can run crap while they both go witch hunting.

GW ending...well this one's obvious.

[mellifera]

After Awakening I lost all hope. Now I just don't even care. I'd like a continuation but they don't seem to give a damn one way or another so whatever. I'll just wait and see, as much as it bothers me that they even make games with such a multitude of choices and don't bother to conclude them properly. :/

[Lady Jess]

Gah, I keep opening the game, then remember it's right at the tent time moment, and my kid is up. Grumbles...

[Miri1984]

The Awakenings epilogues are INTENTIONALLY vague - they never say anything about how long the warden disappears for or why - they're trying to leave themselves open for a sequel that involves the warden and possibly all the other companions. Perhaps the warden Queen has run off to find a way to cure her infertility? Maybe she'll be back? That's what I think in any case. There are no definite times on any of the slides, there are no "They ruled for thirty years and then died" slides, or "she disappeared after three years and six months..." VAGUE. Leaving doors open.

[Axekix]

yukidama wrote...

After Awakening I lost all hope. Now I just don't even care. I'd like a continuation but they don't seem to give a damn one way or another so whatever. I'll just wait and see, as much as it bothers me that they even make games with such a multitude of choices and don't bother to conclude them properly. :/

Yeah, I think one of the problems with leaving DA so open ended is it makes it extremely hard to maintain continuity across titles when they have no set canon.  I'd personally prefer a canon storyline (as far as the major decisions go) if it meant the story could continue with fewer holes in it... but I'm sure that idea won't go over well here.

[Sarah1281]

As long as they don't pick a canon origin. That would be the worst possibly thing to try and make a canon for, even worse than a canon gender.

[mellifera]

Axekix wrote...

yukidama wrote...

After Awakening I lost all hope. Now I just don't even care. I'd like a continuation but they don't seem to give a damn one way or another so whatever. I'll just wait and see, as much as it bothers me that they even make games with such a multitude of choices and don't bother to conclude them properly. :/

Yeah, I think one of the problems with leaving DA so open ended is it makes it extremely hard to maintain continuity across titles when they have no set canon.  I'd personally prefer a canon storyline (as far as the major decisions go) if it meant the story could continue with fewer holes in it... but I'm sure that idea won't go over well here.

That's why I think DA should have been one game with a conclusion. Any expansions would take place during the campaign and not alter anything too heavily. I like things to be wrapped up neatly, not just left with a dozen loose ends dangling annoyingly in my face. It is precisely because I like the characters and world DA takes place in that all the shortcomings and stupid mistakes are that much more bothersome.