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[mellifera]

Addai67 wrote...

For the Dalish lovers...

I was paying closer attention in the Dalish camp in Awakening and noticed it's quite different from the ones in Origins.  It's actually more realistic, I think.  I had said somewhere else that it would make more sense for people who have to move fast in the wilds and hide to have yurt-like structures instead of wagons.  It appears that's what is in this camp as well as the aravels.  I also really like the carpets they show, which remind me of Central Asian kilims.  This is definitely more how I picture a Dalish camp- more realistic dwellings and more colorful.


Here you can see the aravel used as a base for a larger dwelling.  I always wondered what the "mast" was supposed to be for.  What it looks like here is that it unfolds into an awning around the aravel.

Elgar'nan (god of vengeance)?  Or Falon'din (god of the dead)?

These burial posts are interesting.  I take it that this is a variation on the idea of planting a tree.

This sort of detail gives me hope that more is going to be done with the Dalish in future games.

Sorry for the derail...  I didn't do much with Idun tonight other than Cammen and Gheyna, and no one really wants to talk about that.  <_<  I really don't know what's up with that.  It could have been a sweet love story, and I guess it sort of is, but it ends up being a joke.  It also makes the Dalish look like prudes.  I think they would probably take the marriage rituals seriously, but no more seriously than Chantry followers.

Interesting. The Dalish carry the statues and figures of their gods from encampment to encampment, right?

Honestly, the first thing I thought of when I saw that they traveled in wagons was a traveling circus Then again, I had been watching Carnivale when I first played Dragon Age.

[cmessaz]

Yeah the mage carriage thing was all I'd heard too.

[sabreene]

Axekix wrote...

sabreene wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

You guys don't beat the game quick? I CAN stretch it out if I want to.

Lady J- yes that and adds other super powerfull spells.

I like playing on Nightmare, and have a hard time passing up side quests (especially when they fit my character). Sometimes I decide not to use potions & do nightmare, so I have to think about tactics and plan everything accordingly. My games always end up long. Someday I'm going to play a quick game!

No potion + NM ftw!  Good to find another gameplay fan in this section!

I love a good tactical challenge! I keep meaning to do a solo run, but I'm too addicted to the characters to leave them behind. And it doesn't mesh with my story sense to bring them, and then sit them on the sidelines Well, too often anyway. I have RP'd that I was exploring ahead in the tunnels and had to take on the darkspawn by myself once or twice.

[Sarah1281]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

After the Taliesen attack, Zev can tell you about the job before the one to kill you. make sure you ask about his adventures, he'll tell you two of them. Then don't ask about them again until AFTER the archdemon is dead and you're back at camp. THEN he'll tell you about RInna.

I believe it's tied to his approval level so you could potentially hear this even before Taliesin.

You can only hear about it before Taliesin if you're romancing him.

Ahhh!  That explains it.  I never noted which characters could hear it before then.

Did my response to your review answer all your questions?

Yes and it made me feel simultaneously more horrified and less if that makes any sense. Thanks for answering all my question (and there were a lot).

[Axekix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Oh. I have never heard that, thanks! I just see her being totally broken when she realises what she did.

You had never heard that?!  Omg!  And I like doing it right after we kill Taliesin and are back at camp.  Just, whatever you do, choose the 'And you felt guilty' line.  Oh my god.  His response is heartrending.

*weeps anew*

I didn't even know this dialogue existed... I really should try learning more about Zev sometime.  I don't think I've ever gotten past his story about the mage in the carriage.

Oh, you people!  Ooof!  I feel so bad for Zev everytime I hear that story. 

I just never use him since Leliana is my goto rogue-girl if I'm not playing one myself.  Seriously why doesn't he have at least 1 damn point in lockpicking?  Just 1! <_<

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

For the Dalish lovers...

I was paying closer attention in the Dalish camp in Awakening and noticed it's quite different from the ones in Origins.  It's actually more realistic, I think.  I had said somewhere else that it would make more sense for people who have to move fast in the wilds and hide to have yurt-like structures instead of wagons.  It appears that's what is in this camp as well as the aravels.  I also really like the carpets they show, which remind me of Central Asian kilims.  This is definitely more how I picture a Dalish camp- more realistic dwellings and more colorful.



Here you can see the aravel used as a base for a larger dwelling.  I always wondered what the "mast" was supposed to be for.  What it looks like here is that it unfolds into an awning around the aravel.

Differences in northern and southern/central Ferelden tribes?    Maybe Velanna's tribe traded more with humans, or had different types of craftsmen with them?

Addai67 wrote...

Elgar'nan (god of vengeance)?  Or Falon'din (god of the dead)?

I think I might go with Falon'Din.  As guide he might be depicted with a staff - the elves apparently bury staffs of oak to keep their loved ones from stumbling while wandering, and cedar to keep away Dirmathen's ravens away.

Addai67 wrote...

These burial posts are interesting.  I take it that this is a variation on the idea of planting a tree.



This sort of detail gives me hope that more is going to be done with the Dalish in future games.

I actually think those are related to staffs I mentioned before, which is a cool little detail!

Addai67 wrote...

Sorry for the derail...  I didn't do much with Idun tonight other than Cammen and Gheyna, and no one really wants to talk about that.  <_<  I really don't know what's up with that.  It could have been a sweet love story, and I guess it sort of is, but it ends up being a joke.  It also makes the Dalish look like prudes.  I think they would probably take the marriage rituals seriously, but no more seriously than Chantry followers.

Well, Lanaya says (if you talk Gheyna into accepting Cammen) that the elves try to teach their young to be patient and not make hasty decisions.  While she's referring specifically to their bonding, I think that might also correspond to intimate relationships in general.  I like to think that the Dalish are careful because their bond are more or less permanent - back at that "avoid hasty decisions" idea.

I hate that she gives you that line even when you're Dalish, as if you're not supposed to know that.  So I kind of ignore Lanaya after putting Cammen and Gheyna together, and RP it as my Dalish realizing that sometimes life doesn't wait for patience - she lost Tamlen and never got to tell him how much he meant to her because she waited.  So the pain of losing Tamlen made her do something she wouldn't normally do - put together two children into a permanent relationship - and also is part of the impetus for giving into her feelings for Alistair, despite the fact that he's human.

[Sarah1281]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Oh. I have never heard that, thanks! I just see her being totally broken when she realises what she did.

You had never heard that?!  Omg!  And I like doing it right after we kill Taliesin and are back at camp.  Just, whatever you do, choose the 'And you felt guilty' line.  Oh my god.  His response is heartrending.

*weeps anew*

I didn't even know this dialogue existed... I really should try learning more about Zev sometime.  I don't think I've ever gotten past his story about the mage in the carriage.

Oh, you people!  Ooof!  I feel so bad for Zev everytime I hear that story. 
Edit:  So does Alistair.

I don't really understand that, either. I've gotten everyone's dialogue all the way through even if I happen to dislike some of the charactes (read: Wynne and Leliana). That you guys have never heard it...wow. You should. It's tragic.

[Addai]

yukidama wrote...
Honestly, the first thing I thought of when I saw that they traveled in wagons was a traveling circus Then again, I had been watching Carnivale when I first played Dragon Age.

Well I guess that they draw on images from the Romani, or whatever is the politically correct term for gypsies these days.

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=207&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=143523


Idun after a few jasmine cigarettes??


[IMG]http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee206/bigmoon1/GypsyWoman.jpg[img]http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee206/bigmoon1/GypsyWoman.jpg[/img]

Modifié par Addai67, 03 juin 2010 - 05:47 .

[Sarah1281]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Oh. I have never heard that, thanks! I just see her being totally broken when she realises what she did.

You had never heard that?!  Omg!  And I like doing it right after we kill Taliesin and are back at camp.  Just, whatever you do, choose the 'And you felt guilty' line.  Oh my god.  His response is heartrending.

*weeps anew*

I didn't even know this dialogue existed... I really should try learning more about Zev sometime.  I don't think I've ever gotten past his story about the mage in the carriage.

Oh, you people!  Ooof!  I feel so bad for Zev everytime I hear that story. 

I just never use him since Leliana is my goto rogue-girl if I'm not playing one myself.  Seriously why doesn't he have at least 1 damn point in lockpicking?  Just 1! <_<

You could always give him one when he levels up. And taking him with you is not necessary to raise his approval high enough.

[Axekix]

sabreene wrote...

I love a good tactical challenge! I keep meaning to do a solo run, but I'm too addicted to the characters to leave them behind. And it doesn't mesh with my story sense to bring them, and then sit them on the sidelines Well, too often anyway. I have RP'd that I was exploring ahead in the tunnels and had to take on the darkspawn by myself once or twice.

Haha same!  That's why I can't seem to get myself to give up the Cauthrien fight... it's too fun!

I love trying different builds and gear sets + team combos almost as much as the storyline itself.  My last game (NM/no pots) I ran a melee train PC (sin/bard) + Oghren (zerker/champ) + Alistair (temp/champ) + Wynne (spirit/AW) and we absolutely destroyed everything!  Alistair is surprisingly beefy at max approval with his con bonus and Cailan's set.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

I just never use him since Leliana is my goto rogue-girl if I'm not playing one myself.  Seriously why doesn't he have at least 1 damn point in lockpicking?  Just 1! <_<

Because he's a melee rogue.  He can easily be re-spec'ed to cunning rogue, but try switching him out for a warrior sometimes rather than thinking you only have to have one rogue with you.  Seriously, he is deadly.  Give him some paralyze runes, Coup de Grace, set his tactics to run Momentum always, and just let him mow through stuff.

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...
I just never use him since Leliana is my goto rogue-girl if I'm not playing one myself.  Seriously why doesn't he have at least 1 damn point in lockpicking?  Just 1! <_<

Respec mod!

[Axekix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Oh. I have never heard that, thanks! I just see her being totally broken when she realises what she did.

You had never heard that?!  Omg!  And I like doing it right after we kill Taliesin and are back at camp.  Just, whatever you do, choose the 'And you felt guilty' line.  Oh my god.  His response is heartrending.

*weeps anew*

I didn't even know this dialogue existed... I really should try learning more about Zev sometime.  I don't think I've ever gotten past his story about the mage in the carriage.

Oh, you people!  Ooof!  I feel so bad for Zev everytime I hear that story. 

I just never use him since Leliana is my goto rogue-girl if I'm not playing one myself.  Seriously why doesn't he have at least 1 damn point in lockpicking?  Just 1! <_<

You could always give him one when he levels up. And taking him with you is not necessary to raise his approval high enough.

Yeah, but Leli comes with 2!  And by the time I get him she's usually maxed out the tree already or is close to it.  Plus she's... hard to resist.

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

I just never use him since Leliana is my goto rogue-girl if I'm not playing one myself.  Seriously why doesn't he have at least 1 damn point in lockpicking?  Just 1! <_<

Because he's a melee rogue.  He can easily be re-spec'ed to cunning rogue, but try switching him out for a warrior sometimes rather than thinking you only have to have one rogue with you.  Seriously, he is deadly.  Give him some paralyze runes, Coup de Grace, set his tactics to run Momentum always, and just let him mow through stuff.

Yeah, my last game I played a melee rogue like that.  Actually most of the time I play an MDPS char of some kind, so I usually have his spot covered.  Plus... caramel pudding!

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
I just
never use him since Leliana is my goto rogue-girl if I'm not playing one
myself.  Seriously why doesn't he have at least 1 damn point in
lockpicking?  Just 1! ../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

Respec
mod!

Does that work now?  The last time I tried it a few months back there were some serious bug issues where people would lose stats/spec points.

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

I just never use him since Leliana is my goto rogue-girl if I'm not playing one myself.  Seriously why doesn't he have at least 1 damn point in lockpicking?  Just 1! <_<

Because he's a melee rogue.  He can easily be re-spec'ed to cunning rogue, but try switching him out for a warrior sometimes rather than thinking you only have to have one rogue with you.  Seriously, he is deadly.  Give him some paralyze runes, Coup de Grace, set his tactics to run Momentum always, and just let him mow through stuff.

No kidding, and his default tactics are set up well too, so that's all I'd change for him. my d/w warrior ran with him, Leliana, and Morrigan on support and we rocked.

[sabreene]

Axekix wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I love a good tactical challenge! I keep meaning to do a solo run, but I'm too addicted to the characters to leave them behind. And it doesn't mesh with my story sense to bring them, and then sit them on the sidelines Well, too often anyway. I have RP'd that I was exploring ahead in the tunnels and had to take on the darkspawn by myself once or twice.

Haha same!  That's why I can't seem to get myself to give up the Cauthrien fight... it's too fun!

I love trying different builds and gear sets + team combos almost as much as the storyline itself.  My last game (NM/no pots) I ran a melee train PC (sin/bard) + Oghren (zerker/champ) + Alistair (temp/champ) + Wynne (spirit/AW) and we absolutely destroyed everything!  Alistair is surprisingly beefy at max approval with his con bonus and Cailan's set.

He is! I love mixing up the team combos. This time through I'm running with all warriors & rogues, and I can only use pots that I pick up I can't make any of them. It's getting interesting now that I'm in the deep roads and about to have the Branka/Cairidin fight!

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

I think I might go with Falon'Din.  As guide he might be depicted with a staff - the elves apparently bury staffs of oak to keep their loved ones from stumbling while wandering, and cedar to keep away Dirmathen's ravens away.

Ooh, you're like a fount of knowledge.  LOL

Well, Lanaya says (if you talk Gheyna into accepting Cammen) that the elves try to teach their young to be patient and not make hasty decisions.  While she's referring specifically to their bonding, I think that might also correspond to intimate relationships in general.  I like to think that the Dalish are careful because their bond are more or less permanent - back at that "avoid hasty decisions" idea.

I hate that she gives you that line even when you're Dalish, as if you're not supposed to know that.  So I kind of ignore Lanaya after putting Cammen and Gheyna together, and RP it as my Dalish realizing that sometimes life doesn't wait for patience - she lost Tamlen and never got to tell him how much he meant to her because she waited.  So the pain of losing Tamlen made her do something she wouldn't normally do - put together two children into a permanent relationship - and also is part of the impetus for giving into her feelings for Alistair, despite the fact that he's human.

Ah, I never talked to her about Cammen and Gheyna.  Idun and Tamlen did the deed, though she thought that they would be together forever.  Would you say that the elves have more permanent relationships than say, an Alistair type?  Is there something about the immortality that plays in here?

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...
Does that work now?  The last time I tried it a few months back there were some serious bug issues where people would lose stats/spec points.

I've used it for like a month or so now with no problems.

[Lady Jess]

Axekix wrote...

Yeah, but Leli comes with 2!  And by the time I get him she's usually maxed out the tree already or is close to it.  Plus she's... hard to resist.

I Wish she was more like the SA trailer. I think I'll just give that personality to Caislyn...she can be a badass good girl.

[Axekix]

sabreene wrote...

Axekix wrote...

sabreene wrote...

I love a good tactical challenge! I keep meaning to do a solo run, but I'm too addicted to the characters to leave them behind. And it doesn't mesh with my story sense to bring them, and then sit them on the sidelines Well, too often anyway. I have RP'd that I was exploring ahead in the tunnels and had to take on the darkspawn by myself once or twice.

Haha same!  That's why I can't seem to get myself to give up the Cauthrien fight... it's too fun!

I love trying different builds and gear sets + team combos almost as much as the storyline itself.  My last game (NM/no pots) I ran a melee train PC (sin/bard) + Oghren (zerker/champ) + Alistair (temp/champ) + Wynne (spirit/AW) and we absolutely destroyed everything!  Alistair is surprisingly beefy at max approval with his con bonus and Cailan's set.

He is! I love mixing up the team combos. This time through I'm running with all warriors & rogues, and I can only use pots that I pick up I can't make any of them. It's getting interesting now that I'm in the deep roads and about to have the Branka/Cairidin fight!

Ugh, how did the spider queen go?  That's like the hardest fight for a melee heavy team imo

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Yeah, but Leli comes with 2!  And by the time I get him she's usually maxed out the tree already or is close to it.  Plus she's... hard to resist.

Ah, well, now we come to it.  <_<

[mellifera]

Addai67 wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Honestly, the first thing I thought of when I saw that they traveled in wagons was a traveling circus Then again, I had been watching Carnivale when I first played Dragon Age.

Well I guess that they draw on images from the Romani, or whatever is the politically correct term for gypsies these days.

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=207&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=143523


Idun after a few jasmine cigarettes??

[IMG]http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee206/bigmoon1/GypsyWoman.jpg[img]http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee206/bigmoon1/GypsyWoman.jpg[/img]

Yeah, the Roma impression came after I thought about it for more than a second. I think it would be awesome if the aravels resembled the vardo of the Romanichal. The detailing in the pictures on the wikipedia article is gorgeous, I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vardo_%28Romani_wagon%29

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Does that work now?  The last time I tried it a few months back there were some serious bug issues where people would lose stats/spec points.

I've used it for like a month or so now with no problems.

The only issue I had with it is that if I was wearing modded equipment, it would mess with it.  You should strip before using it.

Drop those drawers!

[Axekix]

Lady Jess wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Yeah, but Leli comes with 2!  And by the time I get him she's usually maxed out the tree already or is close to it.  Plus she's... hard to resist.

I Wish she was more like the SA trailer. I think I'll just give that personality to Caislyn...she can be a badass good girl.

Well there are like a bazillion Leliana morphs out there.  There's even an armor set based off her trailer costume (I use it on her every game now!)

Though I like her vanilla face tbh.

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Yeah, but Leli comes with 2!  And by the time I get him she's usually maxed out the tree already or is close to it.  Plus she's... hard to resist.

Ah, well, now we come to it.  <_<

Well can you blame me?  Even Alistair couldn't resist her ninja love!

Leliana makes her move!


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