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[sylvanaerie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sooooo, no one here thinks creating a demon baby is a bad thing?

It's not a demon baby, it's an Old God baby, if what Morrigan said is true.

Having a child of mine with the soul of an old God and what I would assume a vast aount of power capable of shaping the world according to his / her will?
 I could think of worse things.

Besides, Morrigan promised she is going to teach the kid to respect "that from which it came", which I can only assume refers to the father. And his testicles.

I always assumed that was the Old God it came from cause ummm The Father and his testicles are Alistair in 99% of my games. 

[cmessaz]

See and that is your choice. I would get bored making Alistair king every time. I would get bored doing the DR every time or not siding with either the Dalish/werewolves or anulling the circle. All I am saying is that one could look at the DR as selfish as well. I like Morrigan a lot, but I do not trust her to raise a baby with the soul of a god. I wouldn't trust the revered mother with that task.

Modifié par cmessaz, 03 juin 2010 - 10:55 .

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Besides, Morrigan promised she is going to teach the kid to respect "that from which it came", which I can only assume refers to the father. And his testicles.

Is that really the interpretation you had of that line? Or are you being silly?

[Tirigon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

By the way, why does Alistair break up with you when you marry him with Anora and recruit Loghain?

Why wouldn't he? He'll break up with you when he's King if you don't since he's engaged now and he doesn't want you to have to be his mistress because he doesn't think that's fair to you. If Loghain's alive then that's still true and now he can't look past Loghain being alive.

Well he should let his partner decide whether she´s content being his mistress or not, and I think he should be grateful to be taken out of the fray where he´s save. At any rate, if he truly loves the Warden he shouldn´t leave her simply because he has to fulfill his duty for Ferelden.

I think he would, at least if he´s in love with your PC.

Or if he would rather see his love die than to accept Loghain for a week or so, then he´d be an ass. We don´t think Alistair is an ass, right?

  Except...not that at all as he'd rather die than let you die. So basically the question is: would he rather die than let Loghain become a Warden? Yes. Yes, I think he would.

That´s rather cruel, isn´t it? Leaving his love all alone?

[sabreene]

phaonica wrote...

yukidama wrote...

My suggestion was always to conscript some new Wardens after the Landsmeet. Surely from all the people you recruited there must be a few that are worthy... >.>

I think it's a plot hole. I try not to look at it too hard.

I know - if you have the power to recruit Loghain, then why not recruit others at that point? If only a grey warden can end the blight, there's plenty of soldiers and good people around to conscript. I always have to handwave over that.

[Tirigon]

SOOOO

IMPORTANT QUESTION AHEAD!!!

We all know that it would be cool if Alistair was Fiona´s son.

BUT! Loghain says Maric couldn´t accept Alistair as his son for Rowan´s sake because doing so would reduce her to his mistress instead of the Queen. That means Alistair must have been born before Rowan´s death, i. e. before Maric met Fiona, too.

Is our hope forfeit?!

Modifié par Tirigon, 03 juin 2010 - 10:57 .

[LadyDamodred]

yukidama wrote...

Sorry dude...


;___________;

(Something kind of like this is what I imagine you wake up to in Ft. Drakon when you guys get arrested, with much less dead Warden/CRYZ FOREVERZ.)

TMP!  Fort Drakon mod!  *wants*

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

See and that is your choice. I would get bored making Alistair king every time. I would get bored not doing the DR or siding with either the Dalish/werewolves or anulling the circle. All I am saying is that one could look at the DR as selfish as well. I like Morrigan a lot, but I do not trust her to raise a baby with the soul of a god. I wouldn't trust the revered mother with that task.

Oh, I have no doubt that it's selfish, nor do any of my PCs have illusions of altruism.  A Dalish PC perhaps more than others, because of the argument that sparing an old god apart from the taint is a good end in itself.

I roleplay my games pretty deeply, so each of my characters react differently to the same events (edit:  and have different motivations).  That is where the interest lies for me.  I also resolve the treaty quests differently, and do different romances, though Alistair has been the predominant.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 juin 2010 - 10:58 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Besides, Morrigan promised she is going to teach the kid to respect "that from which it came", which I can only assume refers to the father. And his testicles.

Is that really the interpretation you had of that line? Or are you being silly?

Testicles thing? Being silly

Father thing? Perhaps being wishful. But yes that's what I interpretted "respect that from which it came", in the context that it was said in. I could be wrong.

[phaonica]

sabreene wrote...

phaonica wrote...

yukidama wrote...

My suggestion was always to conscript some new Wardens after the Landsmeet. Surely from all the people you recruited there must be a few that are worthy... >.>

I think it's a plot hole. I try not to look at it too hard.

I know - if you have the power to recruit Loghain, then why not recruit others at that point? If only a grey warden can end the blight, there's plenty of soldiers and good people around to conscript. I always have to handwave over that.

Exactly. Clearly we can put at least one person through the Joining, whether or not you execute Loghain... so why not someone, *anyone* else?

[MelRedux]

Tirigon wrote...

SOOOO

IMPORTANT QUESTION AHEAD!!!

We all know that it would be cool if Alistair was Fiona´s son.

BUT! Loghain says Maric couldn´t accept Alistair as his son for Rowan´s sake because doing so would reduce her to his mistress instead of the Queen. That means Alistair must have been born before Rowan´s death, i. e. before Maric met Fiona, too.

Is our hope forfeit?!

I always thought this as well.  Loghain says that Alistair was kept a secret, otheriwse it would have destroyed Rowan.  Methinks Alistair was beofre Fiona, and there's another Maricspawn/Ladies Man out there.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Besides, Morrigan promised she is going to teach the kid to respect "that from which it came", which I can only assume refers to the father. And his testicles.

Is that really the interpretation you had of that line? Or are you being silly?

Testicles thing? Being silly

Father thing? Perhaps being wishful. But yes that's what I interpretted "respect that from which it came", in the context that it was said in. I could be wrong.

I suppose if you didn't know she uses that line on everyone...

edit: I think she uses it on everyone, anyways. I've heard it and I haven't romanced her, yet.

Modifié par phaonica, 03 juin 2010 - 11:01 .

[MelRedux]

phaonica wrote...

sabreene wrote...

phaonica wrote...

yukidama wrote...

My suggestion was always to conscript some new Wardens after the Landsmeet. Surely from all the people you recruited there must be a few that are worthy... >.>

I think it's a plot hole. I try not to look at it too hard.

I know - if you have the power to recruit Loghain, then why not recruit others at that point? If only a grey warden can end the blight, there's plenty of soldiers and good people around to conscript. I always have to handwave over that.

Exactly. Clearly we can put at least one person through the Joining, whether or not you execute Loghain... so why not someone, *anyone* else?

Becuase Riordan didn't tell us ahead of time, hence, he's a Jack*ss

[Sarah1281]

Well he should let his partner decide whether she´s content being his mistress or not, and I think he should be grateful to be taken out of the fray where he´s save. At any rate, if he truly loves the Warden he shouldn´t leave her simply because he has to fulfill his duty for Ferelden.

And if he's hardened you can talk him into it. What do you mean 'he shold be grateful to be taken out of the fray where he's save'?

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...
I suppose if you didn't know she uses that line on everyone...

I do know and I dismiss any other alternate reality to my canon playthrough

Not but seriously, this is a problem with the DR scene. Not taking into account love that much in Morrigan's dialogue.

I do like to think that Morrigan would relunctantly tell the child about his / her father, if only a tiny bit.

[Addai]

Tirigon wrote...
BUT! Loghain says Maric couldn´t accept Alistair as his son for Rowan´s sake because doing so would reduce her to his mistress instead of the Queen. That means Alistair must have been born before Rowan´s death, i. e. before Maric met Fiona, too.

Is our hope forfeit?!

Loghain is making stuff up.  He doesn't know that much about Alistair and judging from the dynamic at the end of The Calling, Maric was not confiding in him any longer.  To L., it would have been one and the same if Rowan herself or her memory was betrayed by Maric having a bastard.

I'm 99.5% convinced that Alistair is Fiona's.  I'm going to be disappointed if he's not.

Edit:  He kind of gives himself away at the Landsmeet, when he says "nobody knows him" and insists that if Maric had had another son he would have recognized him.  Granted, that is politics, but Loghain lies to himself a lot and it's hard to tell what is reality.  I would not put much stock in his words one way or another.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 juin 2010 - 11:06 .

[Sarah1281]

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Besides, Morrigan promised she is going to teach the kid to respect "that from which it came", which I can only assume refers to the father. And his testicles.

Is that really the interpretation you had of that line? Or are you being silly?

Testicles thing? Being silly

Father thing? Perhaps being wishful. But yes that's what I interpretted "respect that from which it came", in the context that it was said in. I could be wrong.

I suppose if you didn't know she uses that line on everyone...

edit: I think she uses it on everyone, anyways. I've heard it and I haven't romanced her, yet.

She tells either Alistair or Loghain (possibly both) that the child will not know who it's father is. Then again, that could be because it's Alistair or Loghain and she doesn't like them.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...
She tells either Alistair or Loghain (possibly both) that the child will not know who it's father is. Then again, that could be because it's Alistair or Loghain and she doesn't like them.

I don't recall her saying that??

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
She tells either Alistair or Loghain (possibly both) that the child will not know who it's father is. Then again, that could be because it's Alistair or Loghain and she doesn't like them.

I don't recall her saying that??

 I think it's when Loghain says he wants to know that the child will not be used against Ferelden because the last thing Anora needs is a little brother trying to take her throne and Morrigan insists that the child will know nothing of him.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
She tells either Alistair or Loghain (possibly both) that the child will not know who it's father is. Then again, that could be because it's Alistair or Loghain and she doesn't like them.

I don't recall her saying that??

 I think it's when Loghain says he wants to know that the child will not be used against Ferelden because the last thing Anora needs is a little brother trying to take her throne and Morrigan insists that the child will know nothing of him.

Haha yep, that's Loghain.

[sabreene]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Besides, Morrigan promised she is going to teach the kid to respect "that from which it came", which I can only assume refers to the father. And his testicles.

Is that really the interpretation you had of that line? Or are you being silly?

Testicles thing? Being silly

Father thing? Perhaps being wishful. But yes that's what I interpretted "respect that from which it came", in the context that it was said in. I could be wrong.

I interpet the line as coming from a society -- to teach him/her to respect humanity and the love that can spring from interpersonal relationships. Something that Morrigan has learned with the PC, whether friend or lover.

In a RP situation where Morrigan never learned that, I would be much more hesitant as to what she would teach the child, and what it would become.

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...
I suppose if you didn't know she uses that line on everyone...

I do know and I dismiss any other alternate reality to my canon playthrough

Not but seriously, this is a problem with the DR scene. Not taking into account love that much in Morrigan's dialogue.

I do like to think that Morrigan would relunctantly tell the child about his / her father, if only a tiny bit.

None of that stuff bothers me, the only thing that bothers me is that she needs someone who is tainted so that her child will have the taint. Despite the fact that the taint doesn't pass the placenta and the baby shouldn't have the taint. But maybe that can be hand-waved by saying it is part of the ritual. But the child should become the archdemon since it is tainted, and when an Old God is tainted it becomes an archdemon.

[Sarah1281]

sabreene wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Besides, Morrigan promised she is going to teach the kid to respect "that from which it came", which I can only assume refers to the father. And his testicles.

Is that really the interpretation you had of that line? Or are you being silly?

Testicles thing? Being silly

Father thing? Perhaps being wishful. But yes that's what I interpretted "respect that from which it came", in the context that it was said in. I could be wrong.

I interpet the line as coming from a society -- to teach him/her to respect humanity and the love that can spring from interpersonal relationships. Something that Morrigan has learned with the PC, whether friend or lover.

In a RP situation where Morrigan never learned that, I would be much more hesitant as to what she would teach the child, and what it would become.

I just took that line to mean 'I will tell it all about the old gods.'

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Father thing? Perhaps being wishful. But yes that's what I interpretted "respect that from which it came", in the context that it was said in. I could be wrong.

I interpreted the "respect that from which it came" basically as Morrigan meaning she'll teach it to respect her although she's trying to be shrewd there and words it in way that could be interpreted as humanity on the whole, if one was so inclined.

Modifié par tmp7704, 03 juin 2010 - 11:12 .

[Sarah1281]

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...
I suppose if you didn't know she uses that line on everyone...

I do know and I dismiss any other alternate reality to my canon playthrough

Not but seriously, this is a problem with the DR scene. Not taking into account love that much in Morrigan's dialogue.

I do like to think that Morrigan would relunctantly tell the child about his / her father, if only a tiny bit.

None of that stuff bothers me, the only thing that bothers me is that she needs someone who is tainted so that her child will have the taint. Despite the fact that the taint doesn't pass the placenta and the baby shouldn't have the taint. But maybe that can be hand-waved by saying it is part of the ritual. But the child should become the archdemon since it is tainted, and when an Old God is tainted it becomes an archdemon.

Unless the ritual purifies the taint once the Old God soul is drawn into it.