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[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well it does benfit my Cousland, he gets a bard at his disposal. 

An unreliable one because he told her it's perfectly fine to enjoy killing, betrayals and manipulations and it is something she should revel in. So your Cousland shouldn't be surprised when she puts his lesson to practice manipulating and betraying him. And many other people after him.

And it depends on what you define as "better person". For me, a person running away from what they are in order to conform to a lie they created for themselves in an instance of weakness, is not a better person. And I think Leliana benefits quite a lot for just being herself. And if she fails at that, she bears the responsability just like all individuals should. 

For me the "running away" seemed more like an act of distancing herself from what she considered harmful. Similar to, if you allow imperfect analogy, a developing alcoholic who recognizes the threat and tries to avoid drinking. Telling them to quit that "because that's what they are" is about as responsible in my eyes as telling that alcoholic "You know what? Fsck it, just accept you like drinking and let's hit the pub instead." And trying to then shove all responsibility on them "if they fail," that's an absolutely irresponsible act of such advice giver. If indeed all individuals should take responsibility, then such advice giver should take responsibility for the part they had in such a fall.

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

You guys wouldn't believe some of the fanfic out there.

Please share!  There is nothing more entertaining than awful fanfic!

Necrophillia anyone????

*bites lip*  Do you reference the US Warden and Alistair story?

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Axekix wrote...
I'll probably give it a shot.  I don't think I can harden her in a game where I romance her though.  I know this is going to sound absolutely insane... but the fact that she opens up to threesomes and foursomes is actually a bit of a turn off for me.  I love the fact that Morrigan is so against them actually.  It just makes the relationship seem more serious imo.

Yes I agree, this is one downside to her being hardened. When I did harden her at the very first time, I didn't erven know about the threesom / foursome, I didn't even know you could bed Isabella anyways. So that did not play any role in my decision to harden her. Also, I did not romance and harden her at the same time (but it was for different reasons), but I see your point.

And yes, I absolutely love the fact Morrigan flat out refuses threesomes and the like. Just like me. She doesn't like to share or be shared.

That is also what I dislike about hardening Alistair.  Of course, it never occurs to me pcs to trade sex for lessons, so it's a non-issue.

It does make me wonder why he still feels he MUST break up with the PC post landsmeet if he's willing to have such an open relationship in the first place.  It seems like it shouldn't be such an issue for a hardened Alistair to me.

Yeah, it didn't make sense to me, either.  *shrugs*

[Axekix]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Axekix wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

It does make me wonder why he still feels he MUST break up with the PC post landsmeet if he's willing to have such an open relationship in the first place.  It seems like it shouldn't be such an issue for a hardened Alistair to me.

Isn't it better to have someone choose to be faithful because they want to be, rather than someone who's operating under either self-confidence issues or a fake idealism?  It's not as if either Leliana or Alistair are initiating such encounters, just going along if the PC wants it and (at least for Alistair) if you press him a couple times.

Absolutely.  I mean tht's why I like the fact that Morrigan is so adamant about it.  It just seems that if Alistair is willing to go along with having an open relationship (even if he has to be prodded a bit), it seems a little odd for him to be so uncomfortable with having one post coronation.  At least to me anyway. 

Its not an open relationship.  The PC isn't a fling she is the woman he loves.  The Queen will be just politics and the one to have the heir (if the taint will let him make one).

You don't consider a relationship where you accept additional sexual partners to be an open one?

No because its not like the PC is a fling for pleasure.  He loves her, shes who he would prefer to be with.  He is doing what he is doing out of duty (with the Queen), not cause he's getting some nooky on the side.

Oooh nononono, we're talking about two different things I think.  I was referencing his willingness to sleep with Isabela at the pearl.

[Zeleen]

don't know how long this will stay

[Lady Jess]

Is it possible that a sound file just went wonky on me for no other reason than...well no reason?

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

It does make me wonder why he still feels he MUST break up with the PC post landsmeet if he's willing to have such an open relationship in the first place.  It seems like it shouldn't be such an issue for a hardened Alistair to me.

Isn't it better to have someone choose to be faithful because they want to be, rather than someone who's operating under either self-confidence issues or a fake idealism?  It's not as if either Leliana or Alistair are initiating such encounters, just going along if the PC wants it and (at least for Alistair) if you press him a couple times.

Absolutely.  I mean tht's why I like the fact that Morrigan is so adamant about it.  It just seems that if Alistair is willing to go along with having an open relationship (even if he has to be prodded a bit), it seems a little odd for him to be so uncomfortable with having one post coronation.  At least to me anyway. 

Well this is why hardened Alistair will accept a mistress arrangement post-coronation.  I guess I don't see what your point is.

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Is it possible that a sound file just went wonky on me for no other reason than...well no reason?

Could it be a hardware issue??

[Zeleen]

OK they're both good guys

[LadyDamodred]

Axekix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Axekix wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I never really cared for superheroes/superhero comics. I'm totally lost, y'all.

You wierdo.

I was always a HULK fan myself.



Beastly.

Ok, the first Hulk movie creeped my right teh eff out b/c sad Hulk looked exactly like my little brother.

Your little brother is a half nekkid 10ft tall green guy?  I would like to meet this man.

Haha.  I wish I could find a shot of it.  It really creeps me out.  *pokes around on google*

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...
  I was referencing his willingness to sleep with Isabela at the pearl.

He's willing to do it because the PC wants him to.  He certainly doesn't come up with the idea himself.

*personally would not touch Isabela with a ten foot pole and takes a Morrigan view of it all*

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

It does make me wonder why he still feels he MUST break up with the PC post landsmeet if he's willing to have such an open relationship in the first place.  It seems like it shouldn't be such an issue for a hardened Alistair to me.

Isn't it better to have someone choose to be faithful because they want to be, rather than someone who's operating under either self-confidence issues or a fake idealism?  It's not as if either Leliana or Alistair are initiating such encounters, just going along if the PC wants it and (at least for Alistair) if you press him a couple times.

Absolutely.  I mean tht's why I like the fact that Morrigan is so adamant about it.  It just seems that if Alistair is willing to go along with having an open relationship (even if he has to be prodded a bit), it seems a little odd for him to be so uncomfortable with having one post coronation.  At least to me anyway. 

Well this is why hardened Alistair will accept a mistress arrangement post-coronation.  I guess I don't see what your point is.

I'm questioning why the game makes you fight so hard for it.  I mean it seems like it shouldn't be such a huge deal for him to begin with, no? 

Why should the PC have to convince him not to end it if he's willing to include other partners beforehand?

[Zeleen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Batman is awesome, but he is just so closed-off that I don't see him in a serious relationship with anyone. I think it would be offensive on some level if Diana tried to be his savior or tried to "fix" him. That relationship does have possibilities -- always does, depending on who is writing it!

Yes definately. I think Batman is meant to be alone. And that's why he is tragic. And that's why I think the Mask of the Phantasm animated movie was the best as it nailed it perfectly at the end, while the new movies didn't (even though they tried to). At the end of the Phantasm, I genuinely felt sorry for him.

I think it would be demeaning to Batman if he ever got into a real permanent relationship. Part of him, I think, thinks he doesn't deserve it. Batman is a VERY complex character. Now I wish we had a Batman like companion in Origins. Hopefully in DA2.  

Never saw that movie.. can you rent it?

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Is it possible that a sound file just went wonky on me for no other reason than...well no reason?

Could it be a hardware issue??

No, it was DA:O only, and only one particulary sound...music during kisses. Everything else, was fine.

[Gilsa]

Unless someone makes a mod for it, the Isabella encounter is a complete waste of time.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well it does benfit my Cousland, he gets a bard at his disposal. 

An unreliable one because he told her it's perfectly fine to enjoy killing, betrayals and manipulations and it is something she should revel in. So your Cousland shouldn't be surprised when she puts his lesson to practice manipulating and betraying him. And many other people after him.

I think you are way over-exagerrating what hardened Leliana is and what she becomes. She is still religious and she doesn't kill for fun. What she enjoys is "the game". The excitment. More so than killing. And she still likes Cousland a lot and considers him a very close friend and that's after hardening.

And if she thinks she can play with Cousland, she'll be dead. But again, I think you are way over exagerrating.  

tmp7704 wrote...

For me the "running away" seemed more like an act of distancing herself from what she considered harmful. Similar to, if you allow imperfect analogy, a developing alcoholic who recognizes the threat and tries to avoid drinking. Telling them to quit that "because that's what they are" is about as responsible in my eyes as telling that alcoholic "You know what? Fsck it, just accept you like drinking and let's hit the pub instead." And trying to then shove all responsibility on them "if they fail," that's an absolutely irresponsible act of such advice giver. If indeed all individuals should take responsibility, then such advice giver should take responsibility for the part they had in such a fall.

A very imperfect analogy. Alcoholism is not a personality trait, it's a sickness. A sickness that at the very end ultimately denies you of being what you are or what you can be. Leliana craving excitment and loving to do what she does best, is not a sickness.

She was lying to herself, she wasn't trying to improve. She convinced herself that it was all Marjolaine's fault and that she didn't enjoy every moment of it and that's running and hiding from one's self. If she can't accept that truth, there is no way imo she is going to get "better".
Telling her to admit it, will make her merge the two aspects of her life. One of a religious and devoted woman, and the other of one who craves adventure and excitment and who will ultimately prove to be more useful to everyone, herself most importantly, as she decides to go on deep road expeditions (and not go kill and manipulate for the lulz like you seem to think she will do).

And to be honest, bluntly so, I don't really care if you think I am being irresponsable. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 juin 2010 - 04:32 .

[sylvanaerie]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

It does make me wonder why he still feels he MUST break up with the PC post landsmeet if he's willing to have such an open relationship in the first place.  It seems like it shouldn't be such an issue for a hardened Alistair to me.

Isn't it better to have someone choose to be faithful because they want to be, rather than someone who's operating under either self-confidence issues or a fake idealism?  It's not as if either Leliana or Alistair are initiating such encounters, just going along if the PC wants it and (at least for Alistair) if you press him a couple times.

Absolutely.  I mean tht's why I like the fact that Morrigan is so adamant about it.  It just seems that if Alistair is willing to go along with having an open relationship (even if he has to be prodded a bit), it seems a little odd for him to be so uncomfortable with having one post coronation.  At least to me anyway. 

Well this is why hardened Alistair will accept a mistress arrangement post-coronation.  I guess I don't see what your point is.

I'm questioning why the game makes you fight so hard for it.  I mean it seems like it shouldn't be such a huge deal for him to begin with, no? 

Why should the PC have to convince him not to end it if he's willing to include other partners beforehand?

Why do you think its hard? it isn't.  He loves the PC.  He isn't in love with the QUeen.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

I'm questioning why the game makes you fight so hard for it.

It does?  I don't think it does at all.

A: So, I'm going to have to get married, you know.  You probably won't be sticking around.
PC: Yes I will.
A: *eyebrow raise* You will?
PC:  You bet.
A:  *happy*  Well alright then!  Let's go kick some darkspawn ass!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zeleen wrote...

Never saw that movie.. can you rent it?

I think you can find the whole movie on Youtube.

[Axekix]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Why do you think its hard? it isn't.  He loves the PC.  He isn't in love with the QUeen.

Yes, but only one option gets him to stay, and even then there's a 2nd check for it (where he talks about how it wouldn't be fair to you or his new wife).  I would think Hardistair would sit the PC down and ask her about her feelings on it instead of just going "surprise I'm dumping you!... unless you persuade me!"

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

I'm questioning why the game makes you fight so hard for it.

It does?  I don't think it does at all.

A: So, I'm going to have to get married, you know.  You probably won't be sticking around.
PC: Yes I will.
A: *eyebrow raise* You will?
PC:  You bet.
A:  *happy*  Well alright then!  Let's go kick some darkspawn ass!

If the convo actually went that way I'd have no probs with it

[Gilsa]

Axekix wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Why do you think its hard? it isn't.  He loves the PC.  He isn't in love with the QUeen.

Yes, but only one option gets him to stay, and even then there's a 2nd check for it (where he talks about how it wouldn't be fair to you or his new wife).  I would think Hardistair would sit the PC down and ask her about her feelings on it instead of just going "surprise I'm dumping you!... unless you persuade me!"

I chalk that up to the mess that is post Landsmeet. There is no dialogue for when Alistair crowns himself king automatically -- he still tells the PC it's their fault that he is king. I think the ball got dropped in a lot of ways so it's up to us to fill in the blanks and not take things so much at face value.

[Zeleen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zeleen wrote...

Never saw that movie.. can you rent it?

I think you can find the whole movie on Youtube.

thanks.. bookmarked

[Gilsa]

I hope there's some decent news at the expo about Dragon Age because I am so bored with talking about "what ifs" on our gameplay. Just tell us that our characters are not going to be alive in the next game or something. Let us close the book already. =p

[Lady Jess]

Gilsa wrote...

I hope there's some decent news at the expo about Dragon Age because I am so bored with talking about "what ifs" on our gameplay. Just tell us that our characters are not going to be alive in the next game or something. Let us close the book already. =p

June 15th right?