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[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

I'm half way through The Calling and I have to say I can see a lot of Maric in Alistair, more so than in Cailan.

Alistair is definitely Maric through and through.  Although I don't think we saw enough of Cailan to really know what he's like, and what we did see- I believe- was constructed so as to set up the tension between Loghain and him.  If anything, the fact that he's underrated and dismissed by people like Loghain and Howe makes me think he exactly fits the Theirin mold.

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Serissia wrote...

I'm half way through The Calling and I have to say I can see a lot of Maric in Alistair, more so than in Cailan.

Oh my goodness, yes.  I've always said Alistair is Maric's true son, which is quite remarkable, actually, given that Alistair never knew him.  Theirin blood breeds true?  It's what makes me completely confident that Alistair will be fine as king.

I've never read the books but i notice a lot of personality similarities in Unhardened Alistair and King Cailan.  (Though Cailan seems to take it to the nth degree with duty/honor becoming bound up in gloryhounding).  But he is open minded and very charismatic.  He quite charmed my DEF and CEF by the end of our meeting into being polite.  In this I can't fault him.

Really?  I don't think unhardened Alistair and Cailan are anything alike.  What about them do you find so similar?

Mostly in that Alistair and Cailan seem to have rose colored glasses on seeing the best in people before they get hurt (and this leads to Cailan's death in part due to him trusting Loghain).  Both are charismatic and know how to deal with people and put them at ease in social surroundings.  I get the feeling Cailan not only wanted to be on the front lines for glory but also to reassure his men (something Wynne says about Cailan being confident in front of the men).

Where they differ is in how they were raised with Alistair being broken into believing he's not a leader whereas Cailan had every advantage. Both had similar leading styles but Alistair's ultimately proves more effective in the end if you harden him.  He makes an excellent king with the common touch.  Cailan never seems to move beyond his upbringing unlike Al.  

Just an observation, I don't think they are twins but there are many similarities in the two men's general personalities than differences.

[LadyDamodred]

I think Cailan is very much like how we see him. There might be more to him under the surface, but I don't think his whole personality is some cover. He is very much the "golden prince". His life was also much easier than Maric's and Alistair's, so he doesn't have those burdens weighing on him. Maric and Alistair are very, very similar in how they approach the idea of being king, too.

[tmp7704]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I wish mods were all compatible with each other

I think it's actually possible to merge dialogue changes with the Toolset, it's just i have no clue how one would go about doing that and i'm scared if i do the wrong thing it'll just blow up the file, leaving smoldering pile where Alistair was

Oh and about the creepy stalker 'sweet stare after' part, currently this is cut because the replacement scenes are sort of 'ease into' the actual act without showing it fully, so i couldn't justify to myself skipping immediately through the whole thing to that. What i want to do instead is, to convert the "afterwards" dialogue into some actual cuddle scene you have still in bed with him, armour off et all, possibly ending with that stare thing. Instead of the current jump back to the camp fire. That will require some poking around Toolset first, to find some shrewd ways to steal characters' clothing for the dialogue parts.

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

I think Cailan is very much like how we see him. There might be more to him under the surface, but I don't think his whole personality is some cover. He is very much the "golden prince". His life was also much easier than Maric's and Alistair's, so he doesn't have those burdens weighing on him. Maric and Alistair are very, very similar in how they approach the idea of being king, too.

So Meric is a lot like Alistair? 

[inclemency]

I think ya'll are right, he is morphed a bit more than I thought. I just ran the same scene with and without the hair, and there are other differences, the most being Alistair's mouth (which I like alot more, actually).



So, I owe apologies all around! lol



Here are two shots, with and without the hair, got them as close as I could even though they are a couple of frames off.

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Mostly in that Alistair and Cailan seem to have rose colored glasses on seeing the best in people before they get hurt (and this leads to Cailan's death in part due to him trusting Loghain).  Both are charismatic and know how to deal with people and put them at ease in social surroundings.  I get the feeling Cailan not only wanted to be on the front lines for glory but also to reassure his men (something Wynne says about Cailan being confident in front of the men).

Where they differ is in how they were raised with Alistair being broken into believing he's not a leader whereas Cailan had every advantage. Both had similar leading styles but Alistair's ultimately proves more effective in the end if you harden him.  He makes an excellent king with the common touch.  Cailan never seems to move beyond his upbringing unlike Al.  

Just an observation, I don't think they are twins but there are many similarities in the two men's general personalities than differences.

Hmmm.  I think the difference is that Alistair still has some innocence in him.  Life hasn't yet worn that off of him, and so he can still be surprised at how far people can fall.  Cailan seems more...oblivious?  In a way, he seems more naive than Alistair, since Alistair recognizes the undercurrenst at Ostagar.  He's just shocked by the betrayal, which to be fair, a lot of people are.

As for leadership, I think it's different.  Cailan is very much a figurehead leader, more interested in how he looks and performs.  Alistair does make an excellent king because he has the common touch.  He is genuinely moved by and cares about the people he meets/rules.  Even an unhardened Alistair would feel like that.  I would think people follow him because he genuinely has a way of reaching them and not because he makes a dashing leader like Cailan.

[sylvanaerie]

tmp7704 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I wish mods were all compatible with each other

I think it's actually possible to merge dialogue changes with the Toolset, it's just i have no clue how one would go about doing that and i'm scared if i do the wrong thing it'll just blow up the file, leaving smoldering pile where Alistair was

Oh and about the creepy stalker 'sweet stare after' part, currently this is cut because the replacement scenes are sort of 'ease into' the actual act without showing it fully, so i couldn't justify to myself skipping immediately through the whole thing to that. What i want to do instead is, to convert the "afterwards" dialogue into some actual cuddle scene you have still in bed with him, armour off et all, possibly ending with that stare thing. Instead of the current jump back to the camp fire. That will require some poking around Toolset first, to find some shrewd ways to steal characters' clothing for the dialogue parts.

THAT would be TOTALLY sweet!!  I really loved everything except that cut off image of Ali watching his girl sleeping.  That is really the only problem I have with it.  I know the dialog thing would be hard to integrate but if you could do a cuddle/stare image (Or even just a cuddle then move to the campfire) it would be a keeper (at least for me).

I always kinda thought of the stare thing as a cuddle anyway.  No sex but being close as she is sleeping.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

I think Cailan is very much like how we see him. There might be more to him under the surface, but I don't think his whole personality is some cover. He is very much the "golden prince". His life was also much easier than Maric's and Alistair's, so he doesn't have those burdens weighing on him. Maric and Alistair are very, very similar in how they approach the idea of being king, too.

I don't think it's a cover, either.  I mean that we saw very little of him, and what we did see was constructed to show us certain things.

Growing up as crown prince and son of Maric the Savior has its own challenges.  His mother died young, his father was out to lunch in many ways.  I still see Cailan as very much a Theirin man- basically decent and gentlemanly, good-natured, idealistic.

[cmessaz]

Sorry to interrupt, here. I would like the Alistairian congregation's input on something.

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I think Cailan is very much like how we see him. There might be more to him under the surface, but I don't think his whole personality is some cover. He is very much the "golden prince". His life was also much easier than Maric's and Alistair's, so he doesn't have those burdens weighing on him. Maric and Alistair are very, very similar in how they approach the idea of being king, too.

So Meric is a lot like Alistair? 

They are like friggin' twins, syl.  Mind if I call you syl?  Hence Theirin blood breeding true.  I think Cailan would have a lot more like them if he wasn't raised a prince.  Any kinds Alistair and my PC have (b/c it's my story damnit and they're having kids) are gonna be just like them. 

[cmessaz]

I think that all of the first time sequences should remain at the vanilla sex scene, whether initiated by the pc or by him. Does everyone agree?

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I think Cailan is very much like how we see him. There might be more to him under the surface, but I don't think his whole personality is some cover. He is very much the "golden prince". His life was also much easier than Maric's and Alistair's, so he doesn't have those burdens weighing on him. Maric and Alistair are very, very similar in how they approach the idea of being king, too.

I don't think it's a cover, either.  I mean that we saw very little of him, and what we did see was constructed to show us certain things.

Growing up as crown prince and son of Maric the Savior has its own challenges.  His mother died young, his father was out to lunch in many ways.  I still see Cailan as very much a Theirin man- basically decent and gentlemanly, good-natured, idealistic.

Oh, yes, I agree with you there.  They all have the Theirn charm.  And Maric was more present after events in the Calling, I think.  I think Cailan is just a touch less grounded in reality than either Maric and Alistair.

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

I think that all of the first time sequences should remain at the vanilla sex scene, whether initiated by the pc or by him. Does everyone agree?

Yes.

[nranola]

@inc- Ah, my eyes did not deceive me then. I figured the nose was changed somewhat. xD

@tmp- OMG DO IT DO IIIT! @U@ <3 I always found it awkward how they would immediately revert to the camp scene after... you know. It would make for a better flow of things. And it'd be really sweet. x3

@cme- Sounds good, although I personally find tmp's mod to be a fine alternative.

Modifié par nranola, 16 avril 2010 - 06:00 .

[inclemency]

I agree with the above, as well. First time vanilla

@nranola ... I don't think it's changed as much as it might look, they are at a slightly different angle.  He's got a really great top lip now, though...hard to see in this shot

Modifié par inclemency, 16 avril 2010 - 06:02 .

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I think Cailan is very much like how we see him. There might be more to him under the surface, but I don't think his whole personality is some cover. He is very much the "golden prince". His life was also much easier than Maric's and Alistair's, so he doesn't have those burdens weighing on him. Maric and Alistair are very, very similar in how they approach the idea of being king, too.

So Meric is a lot like Alistair? 

They are like friggin' twins, syl.  Mind if I call you syl?  Hence Theirin blood breeding true.  I think Cailan would have a lot more like them if he wasn't raised a prince.  Any kinds Alistair and my PC have (b/c it's my story damnit and they're having kids) are gonna be just like them. 

LOL Syl is fine.  Maybe Avernus can cook up something in his lab if you didn't kill him (Valora did...being she was a templar and all).  If Morrigan weren't AWOL or totally out of character for allowing you to share in that ritual a bit of magic might have gone your way too.  Maybe that doggie in the Landsmeet after the coronation was Morrigan hiding and smiling at your PC finally being happy!

[cmessaz]

I need some lines....this is not my forte. You know, the creativity of a rock thing. What are some love-making initiation lines that the pc could use.

[LadyDamodred]

And since this is sort of relevent to the current discussion:


Is there anyone here who wouldn't mind being part of a Theirin sammich?

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

I need some lines....this is not my forte. You know, the creativity of a rock thing. What are some love-making initiation lines that the pc could use.

Well, what areb you looking for?  i.e.  How many lines and for what kind of scenes?

[cmessaz]

Theirin sandwich! I'm game! LMAO!

[cmessaz]

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I need some lines....this is not my forte. You know, the creativity of a rock thing. What are some love-making initiation lines that the pc could use.

Well, what areb you looking for?  i.e.  How many lines and for what kind of scenes?

Right now give me 3, as far as the scenes, I need to get back to you on that one.

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

And since this is sort of relevent to the current discussion:


Is there anyone here who wouldn't mind being part of a Theirin sammich?

Ummm no.  I love Ali...but ummm no.  Cailan is too much like a puppy for me to think of that way.  Cute but stupid.