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[cmessaz]

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like an ass.

Modifié par cmessaz, 09 juin 2010 - 06:04 .

[Kryyptehk]

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

I use the reason Morrigan gives. They choose to imprison themselves, why should we fight to save them when they are just going to cause themselves to be imprisoned again? Or you could not use the Litany and they'd die anyway.

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

My first thought is, Jaina is an elf, and as such was treated as less than a person by the other mages. So where the templars wre essentially prison guards as she viewed the tower as a prison, they were at least neutral towards her. Not treating her any differently than the human mages. Siding with the templars without Wynne having a fit is the easy part, you just don't use the litany at the end. Which is the route I'll take, because I want the dialog with Wynne about being a blood mage.

[cmessaz]

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

My first thought is, Jaina is an elf, and as such was treated as less than a person by the other mages. So where the templars wre essentially prison guards as she viewed the tower as a prison, they were at least neutral towards her. Not treating her any differently than the human mages. Siding with the templars without Wynne having a fit is the easy part, you just don't use the litany at the end. Which is the route I'll take, because I want the dialog with Wynne about being a blood mage.

Oooooh yeah! CRAP I chose spirit healer too.

[SurelyForth]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

Don't choose to annul the circle, just let it happen. You did just fight through a tower full of abominations, blood mages and possessed templars in addition to the endless crap in the Fade. You're exhausted and sometimes it takes a long time to kill your enemies.

And sometimes it takes so long that you end up being the only one standing in the end. If Irving dies while you're fighting Uldred, the Circle is annulled and it's not a decision your PC made, but something that just happened.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 09 juin 2010 - 06:09 .

[Herr Uhl]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

I use the reason Morrigan gives. They choose to imprison themselves, why should we fight to save them when they are just going to cause themselves to be imprisoned again? Or you could not use the Litany and they'd die anyway.

Yes, they choose.

*wants to know what dear old Morri would have done about the big bad templars without Flemeth*

[Kryyptehk]

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

My first thought is, Jaina is an elf, and as such was treated as less than a person by the other mages. So where the templars wre essentially prison guards as she viewed the tower as a prison, they were at least neutral towards her. Not treating her any differently than the human mages. Siding with the templars without Wynne having a fit is the easy part, you just don't use the litany at the end. Which is the route I'll take, because I want the dialog with Wynne about being a blood mage.

Except that elves were treated the same as the human mages. But the only person you say that to is Wynne, so you could just ignore it lol

[Lady Jess]

SurelyForth wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

Don't choose to annul the circle, just let it happen. You did just fight through a tower full of abominations, blood mages and possessed templars in addition to the endless crap in the Fade. You're exhausted and sometimes it takes a long time to kill your enemies.

And sometimes, it takes so long, that you end up being the only one standing in the end. If Irving dies while you're fighting Uldred, the Circle is annulled and it's not a decision your PC made, but something that just happened.

I just have to remember which mod fixes that dialog with Wynne, download it, then figure out how to trigger it.

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

I use the reason Morrigan gives. They choose to imprison themselves, why should we fight to save them when they are just going to cause themselves to be imprisoned again? Or you could not use the Litany and they'd die anyway.

Yes, they choose.

*wants to know what dear old Morri would have done about the big bad templars without Flemeth*

this. It's a prison, really.

[cmessaz]

I thought not using the litany bugged the game?

[Kryyptehk]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

I use the reason Morrigan gives. They choose to imprison themselves, why should we fight to save them when they are just going to cause themselves to be imprisoned again? Or you could not use the Litany and they'd die anyway.

Yes, they choose.

*wants to know what dear old Morri would have done about the big bad templars without Flemeth*

I should probably mention that I usually side with the Mages. So my example isn't well thought out.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

The mages don't have to be killed. They can be put under Templar custody and sent to a cathedral somewhere.

After you deal with Uldred, you can agree with Cullen that the mages can still be dangerous and Irving himself agrees that there is no way to make sure that none of them is an abomination, thus he willingly surrenders himself and all mages to the Templars.

This seems to be the middle ground option. And it's my canon choice.
Why would a mage do it? Well seeing how Irving admits that there is a danger, then that mage can agree.

Or you could be like Morrigan and think that freedom is a privilege earned by self struggle and not spoon fed to thsoe who don't fight for it.

[Lady Jess]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

My first thought is, Jaina is an elf, and as such was treated as less than a person by the other mages. So where the templars wre essentially prison guards as she viewed the tower as a prison, they were at least neutral towards her. Not treating her any differently than the human mages. Siding with the templars without Wynne having a fit is the easy part, you just don't use the litany at the end. Which is the route I'll take, because I want the dialog with Wynne about being a blood mage.

Except that elves were treated the same as the human mages. But the only person you say that to is Wynne, so you could just ignore it lol

Not so...there's a conversation with Duncan when you escort him to his room where he asks if you were treated differently as an elf, I think it comes after you ask if Elves can be wardens. But you can respond that you were treated badly by the other mages.

[SurelyForth]

cmessaz wrote...

I thought not using the litany bugged the game?

I've done it without using the litany and not had any problems.

[Kryyptehk]

Lady Jess wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

My first thought is, Jaina is an elf, and as such was treated as less than a person by the other mages. So where the templars wre essentially prison guards as she viewed the tower as a prison, they were at least neutral towards her. Not treating her any differently than the human mages. Siding with the templars without Wynne having a fit is the easy part, you just don't use the litany at the end. Which is the route I'll take, because I want the dialog with Wynne about being a blood mage.

Except that elves were treated the same as the human mages. But the only person you say that to is Wynne, so you could just ignore it lol

Not so...there's a conversation with Duncan when you escort him to his room where he asks if you were treated differently as an elf, I think it comes after you ask if Elves can be wardens. But you can respond that you were treated badly by the other mages.

Huh, I do remember that you can say to Wynne that elven mages are treated equally when talking about her apprentice that ran away.

[Lady Jess]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

My first thought is, Jaina is an elf, and as such was treated as less than a person by the other mages. So where the templars wre essentially prison guards as she viewed the tower as a prison, they were at least neutral towards her. Not treating her any differently than the human mages. Siding with the templars without Wynne having a fit is the easy part, you just don't use the litany at the end. Which is the route I'll take, because I want the dialog with Wynne about being a blood mage.

Except that elves were treated the same as the human mages. But the only person you say that to is Wynne, so you could just ignore it lol

Not so...there's a conversation with Duncan when you escort him to his room where he asks if you were treated differently as an elf, I think it comes after you ask if Elves can be wardens. But you can respond that you were treated badly by the other mages.

Huh, I do remember that you can say to Wynne that elven mages are treated equally when talking about her apprentice that ran away.

That's there too. But the additional one with Duncan gives you to ways to play it

[cmessaz]

SurelyForth wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I thought not using the litany bugged the game?

I've done it without using the litany and not had any problems.

I'll need to try that then.

[Lady Jess]

SurelyForth wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I thought not using the litany bugged the game?

I've done it without using the litany and not had any problems.

Me too, did that with my dwarf, wynne didn't say a word and the game was fine.

[Kryyptehk]

Lady Jess wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

My first thought is, Jaina is an elf, and as such was treated as less than a person by the other mages. So where the templars wre essentially prison guards as she viewed the tower as a prison, they were at least neutral towards her. Not treating her any differently than the human mages. Siding with the templars without Wynne having a fit is the easy part, you just don't use the litany at the end. Which is the route I'll take, because I want the dialog with Wynne about being a blood mage.

Except that elves were treated the same as the human mages. But the only person you say that to is Wynne, so you could just ignore it lol

Not so...there's a conversation with Duncan when you escort him to his room where he asks if you were treated differently as an elf, I think it comes after you ask if Elves can be wardens. But you can respond that you were treated badly by the other mages.

Huh, I do remember that you can say to Wynne that elven mages are treated equally when talking about her apprentice that ran away.

That's there too. But the additional one with Duncan gives you to ways to play it

True, and you also never get to actually talk to Wynne, so there's also that.

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

The mages don't have to be killed. They can be put under Templar custody and sent to a cathedral somewhere.

After you deal with Uldred, you can agree with Cullen that the mages can still be dangerous and Irving himself agrees that there is no way to make sure that none of them is an abomination, thus he willingly surrenders himself and all mages to the Templars.

This seems to be the middle ground option. And it's my canon choice.
Why would a mage do it? Well seeing how Irving admits that there is a danger, then that mage can agree.

Or you could be like Morrigan and think that freedom is a privilege earned by self struggle and not spoon fed to thsoe who don't fight for it.

She indeed does think that. She very closely relates to Zev and Morrigan. Which will be her default team when she gets to playing.  Poor Alistair. Morrigan is going to learn to heal a bit and be my support/healer.

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The mages don't have to be killed. They can be put under Templar custody and sent to a cathedral somewhere.

After you deal with Uldred, you can agree with Cullen that the mages can still be dangerous and Irving himself agrees that there is no way to make sure that none of them is an abomination, thus he willingly surrenders himself and all mages to the Templars.

This seems to be the middle ground option. And it's my canon choice. 
Why would a mage do it? Well seeing how Irving admits that there is a danger, then that mage can agree.

Well, this depends on if she only wants the templar army or play out the purging.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Or you could be like Morrigan and think that freedom is a privilege earned by self struggle and not spoon fed to thsoe who don't fight for it.

Again, what would Morrigan know about struggling for freedom? She was raised by an legendary witch to be her protégé, not born by parents who'd lock her up and then send her to a circle.

Sometimes Morrigan just pisses me off.

[Kryyptehk]

Lady Jess wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

The mages don't have to be killed. They can be put under Templar custody and sent to a cathedral somewhere.

After you deal with Uldred, you can agree with Cullen that the mages can still be dangerous and Irving himself agrees that there is no way to make sure that none of them is an abomination, thus he willingly surrenders himself and all mages to the Templars.

This seems to be the middle ground option. And it's my canon choice.
Why would a mage do it? Well seeing how Irving admits that there is a danger, then that mage can agree.

Or you could be like Morrigan and think that freedom is a privilege earned by self struggle and not spoon fed to thsoe who don't fight for it.

She indeed does think that. She very closely relates to Zev and Morrigan. Which will be her default team when she gets to playing.  Poor Alistair. Morrigan is going to learn to heal a bit and be my support/healer.

I'm pretty sure Zevran asks you to spare the mages. But if you just don't use the Litany, then I don't think you get the part where he asks you to save them.

[Lady Jess]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Again, what would Morrigan know about struggling for freedom? She was raised by an legendary witch to be her protégé, not born by parents who'd lock her up and then send her to a circle.

Sometimes Morrigan just pisses me off.

If you're siding with Wynne, you can actually tell Morrigan that if it wasn't for her mother's protection SHE could have been one of these mages. She does agree. And she would know, because they were hunted her entire life. Just because Flemeth made it a game for a young Morrigan doesn't make the threat of losing her freedom any less real.

[Kryyptehk]

Lady Jess wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Again, what would Morrigan know about struggling for freedom? She was raised by an legendary witch to be her protégé, not born by parents who'd lock her up and then send her to a circle.

Sometimes Morrigan just pisses me off.

If you're siding with Wynne, you can actually tell Morrigan that if it wasn't for her mother's protection SHE could have been one of these mages. She does agree. And she would know, because they were hunted her entire life. Just because Flemeth made it a game for a young Morrigan doesn't make the threat of losing her freedom any less real.

This.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Herr Uhl wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Or you could be like Morrigan and think that freedom is a privilege earned by self struggle and not spoon fed to thsoe who don't fight for it.

Again, what would Morrigan know about struggling for freedom? She was raised by an legendary witch to be her protégé, not born by parents who'd lock her up and then send her to a circle.

Sometimes Morrigan just pisses me off.

She did fight and kill Templars to preserve her freedom.
She thinks everyone else should do it.

Obviously a too simplistic opinion, but Morrigan is not unreasonable. You can tell her that argument and she'll understand that she would probably be the same as them had circumstances been different.