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[cmessaz]

Everyone in my testing group: I will have the new version up by the end of the day and it will be available to only group members. I want to make it a closed beta for a few days to iron out any bugs since I am trying a new way of doing things. So if you want to help test keep an eye out. Lots of smecksing in this version!

[Lady Jess]

Kryyptehk wrote...

I'm pretty sure Zevran asks you to spare the mages. But if you just don't use the Litany, then I don't think you get the part where he asks you to save them.

That's what I'm hoping. He might convince her to not slaughter the Dalish, Not sure there yet >.<

[Herr Uhl]

Lady Jess wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Again, what would Morrigan know about struggling for freedom? She was raised by an legendary witch to be her protégé, not born by parents who'd lock her up and then send her to a circle.

Sometimes Morrigan just pisses me off.

If you're siding with Wynne, you can actually tell Morrigan that if it wasn't for her mother's protection SHE could have been one of these mages. She does agree. And she would know, because they were hunted her entire life. Just because Flemeth made it a game for a young Morrigan doesn't make the threat of losing her freedom any less real.

Yup, I usually go with that. It's just that I find her initial statement to be mindbogglingly dumb.
"We should kill them!"
"Why?"
"Because they were sent here at a young age and has been unable to escape."

[Lady Jess]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Again, what would Morrigan know about struggling for freedom? She was raised by an legendary witch to be her protégé, not born by parents who'd lock her up and then send her to a circle.

Sometimes Morrigan just pisses me off.

If you're siding with Wynne, you can actually tell Morrigan that if it wasn't for her mother's protection SHE could have been one of these mages. She does agree. And she would know, because they were hunted her entire life. Just because Flemeth made it a game for a young Morrigan doesn't make the threat of losing her freedom any less real.

Yup, I usually go with that. It's just that I find her initial statement to be mindbogglingly dumb.
"We should kill them!"
"Why?"
"Because they were sent here at a young age and has been unable to escape."

Or they THINK they are unable. Jowan does, Anders does (7 times!), and a mage PC does.  I take it as she considers them brainwashed into not trying. Which...to Morrigan of course is weakness.

[Herr Uhl]

Lady Jess wrote...

Or they THINK they are unable. Jowan does, Anders does (7 times!), and a mage PC does.  I take it as she considers them brainwashed into not trying. Which...to Morrigan of course is weakness.

I was mainly thinking about those who are young. She argues that the children that has just been brought there ought to be killed as well.

And the mage doesn't really escape, he is released.

[KnightofPhoenix]

A mage PC can seek to escape, by sayign that maybe he can find his own philacterie (spelling?) as well.

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

What's the word for a character that isn't playing as evil, yet makes decisions like sparing the anvil, siding with the werewolves, and allowing Isolde to sacrifice herself? i imagine my nxt game as alot like Morrigan, and I wouldn't call her evil. But I can't think of the darned words I want to use.

Pragmatist?  Ruthless pragmatist, perhaps.

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

Idun decided that mages who couldn't control their power were more dangerous than the inept templars.  But, she's a Dalish mage and not a Circle mage, so this was an easier judgment for her to make.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

Everyone in my testing group: I will have the new version up by the end of the day and it will be available to only group members. I want to make it a closed beta for a few days to iron out any bugs since I am trying a new way of doing things. So if you want to help test keep an eye out. Lots of smecksing in this version!

Other than the smecksing, is there something else we should test out?  Other dialogues, scenes?  I know you were working on the Zevran jealousy dialogue, for instance.

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Everyone in my testing group: I will have the new version up by the end of the day and it will be available to only group members. I want to make it a closed beta for a few days to iron out any bugs since I am trying a new way of doing things. So if you want to help test keep an eye out. Lots of smecksing in this version!

Other than the smecksing, is there something else we should test out?  Other dialogues, scenes?  I know you were working on the Zevran jealousy dialogue, for instance.

Oh yes I am fixing many things right now actually. I will make a read-me with all the fixes.

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

Idun decided that mages who couldn't control their power were more dangerous than the inept templars.  But, she's a Dalish mage and not a Circle mage, so this was an easier judgment for her to make.

Ya know, I still can't make myself go Dalish Mage? If it wasn't a mod I could do it, but I'm too worried that it'll break in the future and ruin my character...yet I WANT to do Dalish AW/SH.

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Thanks KoP and TMP. Now, to figure out how a mage sides with the templars....

Idun decided that mages who couldn't control their power were more dangerous than the inept templars.  But, she's a Dalish mage and not a Circle mage, so this was an easier judgment for her to make.

Ya know, I still can't make myself go Dalish Mage? If it wasn't a mod I could do it, but I'm too worried that it'll break in the future and ruin my character...yet I WANT to do Dalish AW/SH.

I have enough other characters that I don't worry about that.  I'm having too much fun with Idun to pass it up.

[Gilsa]

SurelyForth wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

Don't choose to annul the circle, just let it happen. You did just fight through a tower full of abominations, blood mages and possessed templars in addition to the endless crap in the Fade. You're exhausted and sometimes it takes a long time to kill your enemies.

And sometimes it takes so long that you end up being the only one standing in the end. If Irving dies while you're fighting Uldred, the Circle is annulled and it's not a decision your PC made, but something that just happened.

That or pretend your PC has a stutter and couldn't invoke the litany properly.

[Kryyptehk]

Gilsa wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

Don't choose to annul the circle, just let it happen. You did just fight through a tower full of abominations, blood mages and possessed templars in addition to the endless crap in the Fade. You're exhausted and sometimes it takes a long time to kill your enemies.

And sometimes it takes so long that you end up being the only one standing in the end. If Irving dies while you're fighting Uldred, the Circle is annulled and it's not a decision your PC made, but something that just happened.

That or pretend your PC has a stutter and couldn't invoke the litany properly.

Lol. That would be awesome, yet horrifying if the PC was really trying to save their life. Usually I just have Morrigan use the Litany because on non-mage characters, I use her on the boss battles. Though I'm not sure my PC would actually trust Morrigan to do the Litany:lol:

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Morrigan's problem is being incredibly naieve about how the world works. It is in large part due to her living outside of society, in the wilds, with little to no contact with people that could be considered friendly. She does not understand that a prison of the mind is as effective, usually more so, than a prison of stone.



It is inconcievable to her that mages would not want to escape the tower, and thus, she assumes that they must allow it. She was not dragged off as a child and had Chantry dogma beaten into her constantly while being watched and imprisoned by a bunch of drug addled religous fanatics. So her ignorance of the mage's situation is understandable, when you look at it from her point of view. It is ignorance, but not ignorance born from stupidity, but a lack of experience and understanding of the larger picture. She was raised in the wilds, where you do as you please, and if someone tries to stop you, you give them hell and make them learn not to bother you again.



Plus, empathy is a trait that is usually learned from being around adults and others, and, well, Flemmeth isn't exactly a wellspring of that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Actually it is kinda of stupid that the only way to really annul the circle requires you to be inept and not use the litanny. I mean seriously "Lulz, I won't use the littany just so I can watch you die, even if it will make the fight harder for me"?

It would have been better if after defeating Uldred and using the Littany, you can choose to kill all mages and have a neat cutscene with it.

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually it is kinda of stupid that the only way to really annul the circle requires you to be inept and not use the litanny. I mean seriously "Lulz, I won't use the littany just so I can watch you die, even if it will make the fight harder for me"?
It would have been better if after defeating Uldred and using the Littany, you can choose to kill all mages and have a neat cutscene with it.

There's much simpler and reasonable way -- you can just tell Gregoir at the end there's no guarantee some of the mages you've saved aren't abominations. The mages then turn themselves in for examination which is considered by game as disbanding of the circle, You get the Templar assistance instead.

Modifié par tmp7704, 09 juin 2010 - 07:15 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...
There's much simpler and reasonable way -- you can simply tell Gregoir at the end there's no guarantee some of the mages you've saved aren't abominations. The mages then turn themselves in for examination which is considered by game as disbanding of the circle, You get the Templar assistance instead.

Of course, that is my canon choice, as I have already said a few posts back.

I am arguing however against the stupidity of one of the options. I mean I can imagine a PC being hateful towards mages or thinking that the only way to be sure is to kill them all (and wouldn't trust the inept Templars to do it efficiently). But he / she doesn't have to be stupid and not use the litany on purpose.

[Herr Uhl]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually it is kinda of stupid that the only way to really annul the circle requires you to be inept and not use the litanny. I mean seriously "Lulz, I won't use the littany just so I can watch you die, even if it will make the fight harder for me"?
It would have been better if after defeating Uldred and using the Littany, you can choose to kill all mages and have a neat cutscene with it.

There's much simpler and reasonable way -- you can just tell Gregoir at the end there's no guarantee some of the mages you've saved aren't abominations. The mages then turn themselves in for examination which is considered by game as disbanding of the circle, You get the Templar assistance instead.

But that isn't purging it. That is like saying that killing the werewolves is the same thing as ending the curse. (without killing them)

[Addai]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually it is kinda of stupid that the only way to really annul the circle requires you to be inept and not use the litanny. I mean seriously "Lulz, I won't use the littany just so I can watch you die, even if it will make the fight harder for me"?
It would have been better if after defeating Uldred and using the Littany, you can choose to kill all mages and have a neat cutscene with it.

There's much simpler and reasonable way -- you can just tell Gregoir at the end there's no guarantee some of the mages you've saved aren't abominations. The mages then turn themselves in for examination which is considered by game as disbanding of the circle, You get the Templar assistance instead.

That's what I did.  It's sort of Orwellian when Greagoir says they are going to "gather the mages for examination."  Examination with the silver sword of mercy, of course.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Yes, that sucks. Though you can still use the litany and annul the circle by agreeing with Cullen after rescuing Irving and the mages. That of course pisses me off the most, when Irving doesn't raise a single objection, and like a sheep, allows himself and the others to march off to the slaughterhouse with no protests, or any attempt to defend himself and the others.



It ultimately re-enforces Morrigan idea that the mages are all cattle who choose to be corraled. Especially when he's made that descision for all the mages, without even the chance for any to raise a protest.



I'm yet to be able to play a mage that doesn't despise the Circle and Chantry.

[tmp7704]

Herr Uhl wrote...

But that isn't purging it. That is like saying that killing the werewolves is the same thing as ending the curse. (without killing them)

Considering the usual ways used to find out whether the subject was actually guilty in that era, these mages are as good as dead.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
when Irving doesn't raise a single objection, and like a sheep, allows himself and the others to march off to the slaughterhouse with no protests, or any attempt to defend himself and the others.

It's not necessarily the slaughter house. It's more like "examination" whatever that means. Not rejecting the possibility of a purge. But it seems to me that emprisonement is more likely.
 
And yes I argee with Morrigan on that regard. Even if that is my canon choice, I saw Irving not asserting himself to be an act of weakness, especially when Gregoir would have believed him.

[Herr Uhl]

tmp7704 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

But that isn't purging it. That is like saying that killing the werewolves is the same thing as ending the curse. (without killing them)

Considering the usual ways used to find out whether the subject was actually guilty in that era, these mages are as good as dead.

What era? The one with magic?

Do you know about what will be done or is it a guess that they will be tortured until they admit their crimes?

[MelRedux]

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