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[Herr Uhl]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Quite easy to justify annulling the circle while playing a mage. My blood mage did it, because she felt the Circle, and Irving especially, pathetic. They fought againt an attempt at their own freedom, so she felt they deserved to be sacrificed to the Chantry.

One can play a mage that never cared for the Circle, and thinks those who don't rise up more often are better dead than perpetual slaves.

But if you don't want to play a psychopath?

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like an ass.

Psssh, that's easy.

Did you come up with one for siding with the werewolves?

Besides being an evil f*ck?  No.  I can come up with RP ones, but ugh, they're not great.  The problem for me lies in the fact that siding with the Dalish means you slaughter an entire elven clan, down to the children.  It would be much easier if you could just tell Zathrian to screw and side with the werewolves.  As it is, siding with the werewolves in pretty evil.

Technically, you do offer Zathrian to surrender one last time. His refusal basically makes the destruction of his clan his responsability more so than the werewolves / you.
As for killing them. You can curse a few of them in the process, thus increase your army.

You saw that the Werewolves used tactcs and ambushes to deal with the Dalish. The Dalish on the otherhand have once again proven how weak they are (and there doesn't seem aqny other clan in the vicinity, so you can't know there will be more). You need an army and the werewolves seem more efficient.  

Not saying this is what Arcturus did (being the diplomat that he is, he negotiate the end of the curse. that is my preferred outcome). But my second canon Dain Aeducan sided with the werewolves for the reasons mentionned above. He doesn't think he is an evil f*ck.

And it's very interesting to get to interact with werewolves in your camp, at castle Redcliff...etc.

[Axekix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The funny thing is how inept the Templars are. The only mage that can be qualified as an abomination is the only one they let loose, which is Wynne. Ugh  

I guess abominations are okay if they are Chantry stooges. Which makes Wynne's moralizing on Morrigan all the more amusing and ironic.

Calling Wynne a "Chantry stooge" is a poor mischaracterization imo.  She actually wants to see the circle revolutionized for the betterment of the mages (and will try to talk you into working to change things if you are a mage).  She's also not blind to the Cantry's crimes against mages.  She has dialogue with a CE warden about some templars raping apostates they catch. 

So I'm not sure where that idea comes from really.

She's also not really  an abomination in the sense that she's not possessed.  Certainly not like Uldred and the rest are.  She is bonded with a spirit but there isn't any struggle for control.

Modifié par Axekix, 09 juin 2010 - 08:31 .

[Kryyptehk]

Axekix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The funny thing is how inept the Templars are. The only mage that can be qualified as an abomination is the only one they let loose, which is Wynne. Ugh  

I guess abominations are okay if they are Chantry stooges. Which makes Wynne's moralizing on Morrigan all the more amusing and ironic.

Calling Wynne a "Chantry stooge" is a poor mischaracterization imo.  She actually wants to see the circle revolutionized for the betterment of the mages (and will try to talk you into working to change things if you are a mage).  She's also not blind to the Cantry's crimes against mages.  She has dialogue with a CE warden about some templars raping apostates they catch. 

So I'm not sure where that idea comes from really.

She's also not really  an abomination in the sense that she's not possessed.  Certainly not like Uldred and the rest are.  She is bonded with a spirit but there isn't any struggle for control.

I never heard that. That makes me like the Templars much less now.<_<

[MelRedux]

Merilsell wrote...

Tis a lovely thread:

Help men everywhere understand the female obsession with Dragon Age's Alistair

I can asnwer that....he's funny, flawed (i.e. a REAL person, not invulnerable superman....BORING!), caring, and he'll kick your a-ss (or a dragon's a-ss) in a heartbeat.

and he's hawt.

[Axekix]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The funny thing is how inept the Templars are. The only mage that can be qualified as an abomination is the only one they let loose, which is Wynne. Ugh  

I guess abominations are okay if they are Chantry stooges. Which makes Wynne's moralizing on Morrigan all the more amusing and ironic.

Calling Wynne a "Chantry stooge" is a poor mischaracterization imo.  She actually wants to see the circle revolutionized for the betterment of the mages (and will try to talk you into working to change things if you are a mage).  She's also not blind to the Cantry's crimes against mages.  She has dialogue with a CE warden about some templars raping apostates they catch. 

So I'm not sure where that idea comes from really.

She's also not really  an abomination in the sense that she's not possessed.  Certainly not like Uldred and the rest are.  She is bonded with a spirit but there isn't any struggle for control.

I never heard that. That makes me like the Templars much less now.<_<

AFAIK the only way to hear that convo is with a CE (at least I've only heard it on my CEF) when Wynne asks about your past.  If you tell her about what Vaughan did, she'll relate with the templar story.

[Addai]

Merilsell wrote...

Tis a lovely thread:

Help men everywhere understand the female obsession with Dragon Age's Alistair

Fortunately, in this thread, nothing needs to be justified or explained and the haters can go jump into Lake Calenhad, preferably in the potion-polluted end.  I mean...

obvious.

[Kryyptehk]

Axekix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The funny thing is how inept the Templars are. The only mage that can be qualified as an abomination is the only one they let loose, which is Wynne. Ugh  

I guess abominations are okay if they are Chantry stooges. Which makes Wynne's moralizing on Morrigan all the more amusing and ironic.

Calling Wynne a "Chantry stooge" is a poor mischaracterization imo.  She actually wants to see the circle revolutionized for the betterment of the mages (and will try to talk you into working to change things if you are a mage).  She's also not blind to the Cantry's crimes against mages.  She has dialogue with a CE warden about some templars raping apostates they catch. 

So I'm not sure where that idea comes from really.

She's also not really  an abomination in the sense that she's not possessed.  Certainly not like Uldred and the rest are.  She is bonded with a spirit but there isn't any struggle for control.

I never heard that. That makes me like the Templars much less now.<_<

AFAIK the only way to hear that convo is with a CE (at least I've only heard it on my CEF) when Wynne asks about your past.  If you tell her about what Vaughan did, she'll relate with the templar story.

That explains why I haven't heard it, I haven't played a CEF that far.

[tmp7704]

new mage robes on the nexus, apparently inspired by Warhammer design

edit: link http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=1342

Modifié par tmp7704, 09 juin 2010 - 08:39 .

[cmessaz]

tmp7704 wrote...


new mage robes on the nexus, apparently inspired by Warhammer design

I want!!!!! Am I a bad person?

Ok guys if you are aware of any bugs now is the time, I am almost done.

[Addai]

tmp7704 wrote...


new mage robes on the nexus, apparently inspired by Warhammer design

edit: link http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=1342

This, like the J-Lo robe, is meant to inspire confidence in one's magical ability.  Because that's what it would take to keep the bits in place.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Axekix wrote...

Calling Wynne a "Chantry stooge" is a poor mischaracterization imo.  She actually wants to see the circle revolutionized for the betterment of the mages (and will try to talk you into working to change things if you are a mage).  She's also not blind to the Cantry's crimes against mages.  She has dialogue with a CE warden about some templars raping apostates they catch. 

So I'm not sure where that idea comes from really.

She's also not really  an abomination in the sense that she's not possessed.  Certainly not like Uldred and the rest are.  She is bonded with a spirit but there isn't any struggle for control.

But she is a Chantry stooge at her core. She does not want the Circle free from Chantry rule, nor does she see the Circle as a Chantry construct, and does buy into the spirit of alot of Chantry dogma, if not the letter. I know which dialogue you talk about. What she says, yet what she actually does, or how she reacts in alot of ways, is very telling.

Technically, she is an abomination. She is sharing her body with a spirit, even if it's a "good" spirit. Flemeth is considered an abomination, yet Flemeth has lived in a symbiosis with the demon, as opposed to being poseesed by it, for centuries.

Since the ideas of "good" and "evil" are really fluid and grey in the DA universe, it's really a matter of perspective on whether or not Wynne's spirit buddy is "good" or "bad".

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...


new mage robes on the nexus, apparently inspired by Warhammer design

I want!!!!! Am I a bad person?

Ok guys if you are aware of any bugs now is the time, I am almost done.

I'm still at work.    I'm only aware of being bored and somewhat pissed off and of cringing every time the phone rings.

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

This, like the J-Lo robe, is meant to inspire confidence in one's magical ability.  Because that's what it would take to keep the bits in place.

Ya know, you really can't credibly make comments like this when you've posted NBA on the same page... <_<

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Heck yea I'm dying for proper food!! (hmmm I feel like Zevran now)
I wrote a full list of meals I want to eat and I suspect my mom is cooking as we speak. Makes her happy lol

Oh, I'm certain.  She's probably been planning and cooking for days.  You aren't going to be able to move.

Wouldn't have it any other way.
In fact, I think she's gonna freak out that I lost a few pounds.

Lucky. When I got home from college my parents ordered pizza.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

This, like the J-Lo robe, is meant to inspire confidence in one's magical ability.  Because that's what it would take to keep the bits in place.

Ya know, you really can't credibly make comments like this when you've posted NBA on the same page... <_<

The thane helmet stays on nicely, even in battle.  Now if someone cut off a horn, that would really ****** me off and probably provoke a Beserker rage even in my rogue.

Were you talking about something else? 

[LadyDamodred]

Merilsell wrote...

Tis a lovely thread:

Help men everywhere understand the female obsession with Dragon Age's Alistair

Oh dear.  Gaider is in that thread.  Do I even want to embarrass myself by going in there?

[Kryyptehk]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Heck yea I'm dying for proper food!! (hmmm I feel like Zevran now)
I wrote a full list of meals I want to eat and I suspect my mom is cooking as we speak. Makes her happy lol

Oh, I'm certain.  She's probably been planning and cooking for days.  You aren't going to be able to move.

Wouldn't have it any other way.
In fact, I think she's gonna freak out that I lost a few pounds.

Lucky. When I got home from college my parents ordered pizza.

My mother cooks, but she cooks fat-laden food, so I gain a million pounds from one meal:lol: But it's so good, I don't even care.

I miss my mother's cooking, because I've been eating bland southern food for the last 2 years.

[tmp7704]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Since the ideas of "good" and "evil" are really fluid and grey in the DA universe, it's really a matter of perspective on whether or not Wynne's spirit buddy is "good" or "bad".

Well, the demons are classified in pretty clear manner in DA, and Wynne's spirit doesn't belong to any of these demon groups. So as long as abomination is supposed to be mage posessed specifically by a demon then Wynne isn't really one.

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lucky. When I got home from college my parents ordered pizza.

I got pasta and fried sausage. But I never left the country for it though, nor was I gone for more than a couple of months.
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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Quite easy to justify annulling the circle while playing a mage. My blood mage did it, because she felt the Circle, and Irving especially, pathetic. They fought againt an attempt at their own freedom, so she felt they deserved to be sacrificed to the Chantry.

One can play a mage that never cared for the Circle, and thinks those who don't rise up more often are better dead than perpetual slaves.

But if you don't want to play a psychopath?

Then you can look at it, as, after having endured and seen first hand the damage blood mages and abominations can do,  and discovering just how  prevalent blood magic was right under your nose, then annuling the Circle might be considered a safety measure. As well as a fitting punishment for everyone who took the easy way out, and perhaps a mercy for those who survived, but were weakened by the ordeal.

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady J- If you figure out a good way to RP a mage annulling the circle let me know. Wynne makes me feel like a jack ass.

Don't choose to annul the circle, just let it happen. You did just fight through a tower full of abominations, blood mages and possessed templars in addition to the endless crap in the Fade. You're exhausted and sometimes it takes a long time to kill your enemies.

And sometimes it takes so long that you end up being the only one standing in the end. If Irving dies while you're fighting Uldred, the Circle is annulled and it's not a decision your PC made, but something that just happened.

That or pretend your PC has a stutter and couldn't invoke the litany properly.

 There's always the fact that Wynne never takes the Litany into her possession for some reason so the game alllows your non-mage possibly magic-resistant dwarf to use the spell instead. Fail, game, fail.

[Axekix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Calling Wynne a "Chantry stooge" is a poor mischaracterization imo.  She actually wants to see the circle revolutionized for the betterment of the mages (and will try to talk you into working to change things if you are a mage).  She's also not blind to the Cantry's crimes against mages.  She has dialogue with a CE warden about some templars raping apostates they catch. 

So I'm not sure where that idea comes from really.

She's also not really  an abomination in the sense that she's not possessed.  Certainly not like Uldred and the rest are.  She is bonded with a spirit but there isn't any struggle for control.

But she is a Chantry stooge at her core. She does not want the Circle free from Chantry rule, nor does she see the Circle as a Chantry construct, and does buy into the spirit of alot of Chantry dogma, if not the letter. I know which dialogue you talk about. What she says, yet what she actually does, or how she reacts in alot of ways, is very telling.

She is a good natured person.  And honestly, considering the Uldred incident I think she's justified in not feeling comfortable with mages being unrestricted.  A lot of her actions can be justified as just being the wise/compassionate thing to do rather than having chantry based motives. 

She's also not happy with the way things are for the circle and mages in general.  She does want to see changes made, and will try to convince a mage pc to go back after the blight is over and make them.

Technically, she is an abomination. She is sharing her body with a spirit, even if it's a "good" spirit. Flemeth is considered an abomination, yet Flemeth has lived in a symbiosis with the demon, as opposed to being poseesed by it, for centuries.

Not necessarily.  Flemeth is a bit of a mystery, and perhaps is an abomination, but with Wynne, her mind is completely in tact.  She is bonded with a spirit but it doesn't influence her thoughts or actions as far as the game is concerned.  With abominations there is a struggle for control, usually with the mage losing.

[Merilsell]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Tis a lovely thread:

Help men everywhere understand the female obsession with Dragon Age's Alistair

Oh dear.  Gaider is in that thread.  Do I even want to embarrass myself by going in there?

Heh, I'm unsure myself. I can imagine him sitting in front of the screen, rubbing his hands and grinning. "Just as planned." That he have pushed the right buttons with writing Alistair is obvious, but confirming it with my post a whole other..., hmm *ponders* After all he was brutally earnest with Morrigan's appeal in there.

Srlsy, I think this will turn in yet another hate threat later on =__=

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

tmp7704 wrote...

Well, the demons are classified in pretty clear manner in DA, and Wynne's spirit doesn't belong to any of these demon groups. So as long as abomination is supposed to be mage posessed specifically by a demon then Wynne isn't really one.

Not really. Nothing is really clear in DA. Demons are spirits the mimic the more base, primal emotions and thoughts of of people: lust, greed, pride, rage, ect. As far as the Chantry is concerned, such things are evil, and thus, spirits that mimic these things must be, by default, evil as well.

But the "higher" emotions and ideas of people, such as faith, valor, justice, ect, can also be quite destructive. Look at Justice in awakenings. His worldview, do to him being a spirit that embodies the concept of justice, is terribly skewed.  Anything in excess can be quite bad.

The difference between "demons" and benevolent fade spirits, is that demons want to experience the mortal world, and actively seek ways to do so, which means they seek to possess humans. Wybbe's guardian spirit, though benevolent, supposedly sought her out, unusual for a fade spirit.

A spirit of faith, as Wynne believes it to be, can be just as dangerous in extreme as any demon.