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[Addai]

Addai67 wrote...

soignee wrote...

At the risk of oversharing on the interbutts, my culture is outsiders=bad. Dalish resonates with in the sense of lost culture and a secretive people, and distrust of a man who embodies everything that you were brought up to hate? Yeah, that's a lot of issues to break down over the space of trying to end a Blight at the same time.

You can def play it that way.  I take my cues from the Dalish guy (I love that guy!) in Stolen Throne who is pretty friendly and confident with Loghain and Maric, though he's not taking any guff.  He says that the Dalish who deal with human traders are fluent in the king's tongue, and I figure they would be fairly aware of shemlen culture as well.  And then they give you a little hint that your dad was a progressive type who thought the Dalish should be more involved in human society.  Nothing says you have to take after the old man, of course.

*has a thought*

*quotes own post*

D'you suppose "that guy" is the PC's father? (!!!)

[nos_astra]

Sandtigress wrote...
ETA: Ahh, ToP, someone give me more Alistair to snuggle with!

Ready for snuggling.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

soignee wrote...

At the risk of oversharing on the interbutts, my culture is outsiders=bad. Dalish resonates with in the sense of lost culture and a secretive people, and distrust of a man who embodies everything that you were brought up to hate? Yeah, that's a lot of issues to break down over the space of trying to end a Blight at the same time.

You can def play it that way.  I take my cues from the Dalish guy (I love that guy!) in Stolen Throne who is pretty friendly and confident with Loghain and Maric, though he's not taking any guff.  He says that the Dalish who deal with human traders are fluent in the king's tongue, and I figure they would be fairly aware of shemlen culture as well.  And then they give you a little hint that your dad was a progressive type who thought the Dalish should be more involved in human society.  Nothing says you have to take after the old man, of course.

*has a thought*

*quotes own post*

D'you suppose "that guy" is the PC's father? (!!!)

Hmmmmm.....I think you could RP it that way, if you wanted to.  Marethari tells you that your father was keeper for many years before her, and ST takes place about 30 years before DAO, that would certainly count for "many years".  I don't see any reasons why it couldn't be, if you wanted it to be that way.

[Sandtigress]

klarabella wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
ETA: Ahh, ToP, someone give me more Alistair to snuggle with!

Ready for snuggling.

lol Might be ready for a more than just a little snuggling...

[Sarah1281]

yukidama wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

All this Tamlen hate.    And I'm going to be playing Idun's verybad tragic encounter with him this weekend.    I can see I'm going to get no sympathy here!!

We'll try our best.

I know a lot of people take comfort in the 'oh, you can't help you fall in love with and it's not logical' but I'm not that much of a romantic so I hate that line of thought.

Edit: I mean, why would people see that as a good thing anyway? I've never gotten that. To me, it makes it seem like you're a slave to your emotions and that's not a good thing.

I don't really see it as much as that as seeing a person for themselves and not only their ancestry/appearance/culture.  Especially in a situation where you've been separated from yours and are living on the fringes. I don't think it is strange to find solace in the company of another who treats you kindly and respects you no matter where you are from or what you are.

I was mostly talking about this part:

And I have some vague personal association with the elves in the game too, but I don't really see why it should limit my Dalish character's romance options... Who you fall in love with isn't always necessarily a logical thing.

I may be interpreting that wrong but it seems like that's saying that it may not make any sense as you were raised to hate and fear humans, any child you have with a human will be a human, whatever other reason it's a bad idea might be...you can't help it because you love him and thus have no choice in the matter. You can't stop yourself from falling in love once you realize the initial attraction and once you do fall in love you can't help but act on it and get involved.

[Miri1984]

I'm not fond of the Dalish origin - I think I was cured of elves by years and years of LOTR re-reads. The Dalish are an interesting culture, but I just didn't gel with them.



Loved the City Elf origin MUCH more - it just seems so much richer than the Dalish one - they've made a specific culture away from their old culture but haven't submitted to human culture in the process. Really loved it. Plus which my Kallian kicked but. SHE didn't romance anyone .

[Lady Jess]

Sandtigress wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
ETA: Ahh, ToP, someone give me more Alistair to snuggle with!

Ready for snuggling.

lol Might be ready for a more than just a little snuggling...

[Sandtigress]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I was mostly talking about this part:

And I have some vague personal association with the elves in the game too, but I don't really see why it should limit my Dalish character's romance options... Who you fall in love with isn't always necessarily a logical thing.

I may be interpreting that wrong but it seems like that's saying that it may not make any sense as you were raised to hate and fear humans, any child you have with a human will be a human, whatever other reason it's a bad idea might be...you can't help it because you love him and thus have no choice in the matter. You can't stop yourself from falling in love once you realize the initial attraction and once you do fall in love you can't help but act on it and get involved.

I don't think anyone's trying to imply the bolded part.  I totally agree with the "you can't help who you fall in love with" but to then say that you MUST act upon it is to say that we have no control over actions at all.  Feelings, you can't control.  Actions, you usually can.

Our various Dalish PCs might not be able to help falling in love with Alistair, but I think they all eventually have to come to terms with the other stuff and decide they can either deal with it, or they can't, and I think there are RP reasons for either direction you go in.

[Xandurpein]

Miri1984 wrote...

I'm not fond of the Dalish origin - I think I was cured of elves by years and years of LOTR re-reads. The Dalish are an interesting culture, but I just didn't gel with them.

Loved the City Elf origin MUCH more - it just seems so much richer than the Dalish one - they've made a specific culture away from their old culture but haven't submitted to human culture in the process. Really loved it. Plus which my Kallian kicked but. SHE didn't romance anyone .

The city elf orgin reminded me a bit of Steven Brust's novels, except it's in reverse there. (In Steven Brust's books about Vlad Taltos, the humans are the underdogs and the elves the masters of the Empire).

[Sarah1281]

Sandtigress wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I was mostly talking about this part:

And I have some vague personal association with the elves in the game too, but I don't really see why it should limit my Dalish character's romance options... Who you fall in love with isn't always necessarily a logical thing.

I may be interpreting that wrong but it seems like that's saying that it may not make any sense as you were raised to hate and fear humans, any child you have with a human will be a human, whatever other reason it's a bad idea might be...you can't help it because you love him and thus have no choice in the matter. You can't stop yourself from falling in love once you realize the initial attraction and once you do fall in love you can't help but act on it and get involved.

I don't think anyone's trying to imply the bolded part.  I totally agree with the "you can't help who you fall in love with" but to then say that you MUST act upon it is to say that we have no control over actions at all.  Feelings, you can't control.  Actions, you usually can.

Our various Dalish PCs might not be able to help falling in love with Alistair, but I think they all eventually have to come to terms with the other stuff and decide they can either deal with it, or they can't, and I think there are RP reasons for either direction you go in.

I like that thought better since it often ends so tragically it's better if they know exactly what they're getting into. In the same vein, I'm still not happy with Alistair allowing his fellow Warden to fall in love with him before revealing that he's Maric's son because then that takes away their choice about choosing to act on their feelings towards a potential heir to the throne.

[Sandtigress]

Xandurpein wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I'm not fond of the Dalish origin - I think I was cured of elves by years and years of LOTR re-reads. The Dalish are an interesting culture, but I just didn't gel with them.

Loved the City Elf origin MUCH more - it just seems so much richer than the Dalish one - they've made a specific culture away from their old culture but haven't submitted to human culture in the process. Really loved it. Plus which my Kallian kicked but. SHE didn't romance anyone .

The city elf orgin reminded me a bit of Steven Brust's novels, except it's in reverse there. (In Steven Brust's books about Vlad Taltos, the humans are the underdogs and the elves the masters of the Empire).

Hehe I Vlad, and especially Loiosh.  They're not elves though, are they?  They're Dragearans...and I probably totally mispelled that, since I haven't read the books in aaaages. Over a decade, wow.)  I just never got the impression that they were very elf-like.

Modifié par Sandtigress, 11 juin 2010 - 09:24 .

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

soignee wrote...

At the risk of oversharing on the interbutts, my culture is outsiders=bad. Dalish resonates with in the sense of lost culture and a secretive people, and distrust of a man who embodies everything that you were brought up to hate? Yeah, that's a lot of issues to break down over the space of trying to end a Blight at the same time.

You can def play it that way.  I take my cues from the Dalish guy (I love that guy!) in Stolen Throne who is pretty friendly and confident with Loghain and Maric, though he's not taking any guff.  He says that the Dalish who deal with human traders are fluent in the king's tongue, and I figure they would be fairly aware of shemlen culture as well.  And then they give you a little hint that your dad was a progressive type who thought the Dalish should be more involved in human society.  Nothing says you have to take after the old man, of course.

*has a thought*

*quotes own post*

D'you suppose "that guy" is the PC's father? (!!!)

Hmmmmm.....I think you could RP it that way, if you wanted to.  Marethari tells you that your father was keeper for many years before her, and ST takes place about 30 years before DAO, that would certainly count for "many years".  I don't see any reasons why it couldn't be, if you wanted it to be that way.

I believe I will!  Although I will have to move from mental crush to mental daughterly affection.  I hadn't thought of it before because I had always pictured the PC's father as being young, but Sandi the Dalish Guru pointed out the error of my ways.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...
 I like that thought better since it often ends so tragically it's better if they know exactly what they're getting into. In the same vein, I'm still not happy with Alistair allowing his fellow Warden to fall in love with him before revealing that he's Maric's son because then that takes away their choice about choosing to act on their feelings towards a potential heir to the throne.

Neither of my DEFs will have been in that spot- they both knew what they were getting into, though perhaps following Alistair's cue in hoping that it could somehow be averted.  Since I've played both of my DEF characters as being slow to fall for him, there's plenty of time for the big reveal about his identity.

Like Sandtigress's PC, Idun is staring her growing affection for Alistair in the face and still not seeing it for what it is, mainly because she is mourning a betrothed she hasn't been able to properly say goodbye to.  That will change after she sees Tamlen again, in camp and his shadow in the Gauntlet.

Like you said, it's unfortunate that the game makes events a bit rushed, but the fact that you could die any day also is inducement to not leave things unsaid or undone too long.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 juin 2010 - 09:29 .

[Xandurpein]

Sandtigress wrote...

Hehe I Vlad, and especially Loiosh.  They're not elves though, are they?  They're Dragearans...and I probably totally mispelled that, since I haven't read the books in aaaages. Over a decade, wow.)  I just never got the impression that they were very elf-like.

Vlad and Loiosh are awesome. Brust is constantly writing new Vlad books by the way, so if you haven't read them in a decade you have missed quite a few. Vlad's granddad calls the dragearans 'elfs' a few times, so I think they are elves yes.

[LadyDamodred]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I like that thought better since it often ends so tragically it's better if they know exactly what they're getting into. In the same vein, I'm still not happy with Alistair allowing his fellow Warden to fall in love with him before revealing that he's Maric's son because then that takes away their choice about choosing to act on their feelings towards a potential heir to the throne.

Wait, what?  When does Alistair get to control your PC's emotions and feelings?  And even when he knows you return his feelings, would you listen if he said "Don't love me, I'm a bastard prince"?  And if you dump him over that, well, basically you're just confirming what everyone in his life has always done with that knowledge.  Lucky him.

[mellifera]

Sandtigress wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I was mostly talking about this part:

And I have some vague personal association with the elves in the game too, but I don't really see why it should limit my Dalish character's romance options... Who you fall in love with isn't always necessarily a logical thing.

I may be interpreting that wrong but it seems like that's saying that it may not make any sense as you were raised to hate and fear humans, any child you have with a human will be a human, whatever other reason it's a bad idea might be...you can't help it because you love him and thus have no choice in the matter. You can't stop yourself from falling in love once you realize the initial attraction and once you do fall in love you can't help but act on it and get involved.

I don't think anyone's trying to imply the bolded part.  I totally agree with the "you can't help who you fall in love with" but to then say that you MUST act upon it is to say that we have no control over actions at all.  Feelings, you can't control.  Actions, you usually can.

Our various Dalish PCs might not be able to help falling in love with Alistair, but I think they all eventually have to come to terms with the other stuff and decide they can either deal with it, or they can't, and I think there are RP reasons for either direction you go in.

Basically, this. It depends on how you play your character. For some of them it is a dealbreaker, but for others it is not as big an issue as the situation would imply from a distance. I guess my perspective on this has to do with my personal background as well, since I am from a culture where I am considered as trying to be something I am not because I don't act a certain way or dis/like certain things. I just think that people of all kinds can come from all sorts of backgrounds, so it is kind of irrelevant IMO to say that because one is this, they have to be like that.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Like you said, it's unfortunate that the game makes events a bit rushed, but the fact that you could die any day also is inducement to not leave things unsaid or undone too long.

Still though, a full year/year and a half in each other's exclusive company day in and day out?  For most people all it takes is a month or two of semi-close contact to realize they're attracted to each other, it seems.  That's a lot of time to get to know each other and be comfortable with each other, even if there do seem to be more pressing issues at hand, like the Blight.

I don't think it's unreasonable for relationships for form during the DAO timeline.  Something in Awakening happening over the course of a few months I would find harder to buy for sure.

[LadyDamodred]

Xandurpein wrote...
The city elf orgin reminded me a bit of Steven Brust's novels, except it's in reverse there. (In Steven Brust's books about Vlad Taltos, the humans are the underdogs and the elves the masters of the Empire).

I've been looking for new stuff to read, and this intruiges me.  I assume it's a series and you really shouldn't pick up in the middle?  What's the first book?

[Sandtigress]

Xandurpein wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Hehe I Vlad, and especially Loiosh.  They're not elves though, are they?  They're Dragearans...and I probably totally mispelled that, since I haven't read the books in aaaages. Over a decade, wow.)  I just never got the impression that they were very elf-like.

Vlad and Loiosh are awesome. Brust is constantly writing new Vlad books by the way, so if you haven't read them in a decade you have missed quite a few. Vlad's granddad calls the dragearans 'elfs' a few times, so I think they are elves yes.

I know, I really need to catch up.  When grad school is over and I can buy books again, I will!  And I never noticed the elf thing...I will have to do a reread soon anyways.

[Sarah1281]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
I like that thought better since it often ends so tragically it's better if they know exactly what they're getting into. In the same vein, I'm still not happy with Alistair allowing his fellow Warden to fall in love with him before revealing that he's Maric's son because then that takes away their choice about choosing to act on their feelings towards a potential heir to the throne.

Wait, what?  When does Alistair get to control your PC's emotions and feelings?  And even when he knows you return his feelings, would you listen if he said "Don't love me, I'm a bastard prince"?  And if you dump him over that, well, basically you're just confirming what everyone in his life has always done with that knowledge.  Lucky him.

In this situation, Alistair knows that you're dating (if you do not start the romance then he's not responsible for letting you know because of this), he knows it's starting to get serious, he knows that he doesn't want to tell you about being a bastard prince because you might not want to be with him because of that, especially since he may end up being an heir to the throne.

He does not mention it.

You could dump him or you could not but how does your potential choice to prove that he was right to worry make it right that he didn't even give you that choice? He knew what he was getting himself into - he even admits if you make him King and he doesn't have to dump you that he always knew it was a possibility - and you didn't. It may not be his fault that you fall for him but it is his fault that he watched it happen and withheld important information about himself that may affect her decision.

[Xandurpein]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
The city elf orgin reminded me a bit of Steven Brust's novels, except it's in reverse there. (In Steven Brust's books about Vlad Taltos, the humans are the underdogs and the elves the masters of the Empire).

I've been looking for new stuff to read, and this intruiges me.  I assume it's a series and you really shouldn't pick up in the middle?  What's the first book?

The first book in the series is called  "Jehreg", and yes, it's a good thing to read them in sequel. Brust have been writing them for a long time, so a few of the books have a different tone to them than the others, depending on how he felt when he wrote them I guess, but overall they are excellent, imo.

[LadyDamodred]

Sarah1281 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
I like that thought better since it often ends so tragically it's better if they know exactly what they're getting into. In the same vein, I'm still not happy with Alistair allowing his fellow Warden to fall in love with him before revealing that he's Maric's son because then that takes away their choice about choosing to act on their feelings towards a potential heir to the throne.

Wait, what?  When does Alistair get to control your PC's emotions and feelings?  And even when he knows you return his feelings, would you listen if he said "Don't love me, I'm a bastard prince"?  And if you dump him over that, well, basically you're just confirming what everyone in his life has always done with that knowledge.  Lucky him.

In this situation, Alistair knows that you're dating (if you do not start the romance then he's not responsible for letting you know because of this), he knows it's starting to get serious, he knows that he doesn't want to tell you about being a bastard prince because you might not want to be with him because of that, especially since he may end up being an heir to the throne.

He does not mention it.

You could dump him or you could not but how does your potential choice to prove that he was right to worry make it right that he didn't even give you that choice? He knew what he was getting himself into - he even admits if you make him King and he doesn't have to dump you that he always knew it was a possibility - and you didn't. It may not be his fault that you fall for him but it is his fault that he watched it happen and withheld important information about himself that may affect her decision.

Because he's scared?  People make mistakes, and not telling someone something out of fear is fairly common.  He's finally found what seems like the one person who doesn't care and just likes him for him and he's afraid he's going to lose it.  Is it the smartest thing to do?  Probably not, but it is understandable.

[Herr Uhl]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Because he's scared?  People make mistakes, and not telling someone something out of fear is fairly common.  He's finally found what seems like the one person who doesn't care and just likes him for him and he's afraid he's going to lose it.  Is it the smartest thing to do?  Probably not, but it is understandable.

Do you have to like it because it is understandable?

[Xandurpein]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Because he's scared?  People make mistakes, and not telling someone something out of fear is fairly common.  He's finally found what seems like the one person who doesn't care and just likes him for him and he's afraid he's going to lose it.  Is it the smartest thing to do?  Probably not, but it is understandable.

He wouldn't be the first person who managed to convince himself/herself that tomorrow never comes.

[Sandtigress]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
The city elf orgin reminded me a bit of Steven Brust's novels, except it's in reverse there. (In Steven Brust's books about Vlad Taltos, the humans are the underdogs and the elves the masters of the Empire).

I've been looking for new stuff to read, and this intruiges me.  I assume it's a series and you really shouldn't pick up in the middle?  What's the first book?

Brust's style is very Mark Twainish to me, so if you like Twain, I think you'll really like this series.


ETA: Another ToP, really?  More Alistair snuggle please!

Modifié par Sandtigress, 11 juin 2010 - 09:49 .