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[LadyDamodred]

It's bullsh!t to syl's elf because she can't have kids anyway, so anyone attempting to use that argument on her to make her feel guilty about loving a shem is automatically going to lose. Is it bullsh!t to the rest of the elven race? No. But to her, it is.



My elf is a mage. She doesn't give a flying eff what anyone thinks, since not only can she not have kids, they probably don't want her to have them anyway. It's not like she identifies very strongly with the elves anyway.

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Edit: You have a lower chance to get knocked up by a non-GW, but you can still get knocked up.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 14 juin 2010 - 12:00 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...

So humans should only stick to humans, elves to elves and dwarves to dwarves?

Reproduction wise? Yes, I think they should.

Let each of these groups evolve on their own. That's genetically speaking. Culurally and all that, they ought to be open and welcoming of other cultures, all while trying to preserve and strengthen their own.

I would tend to agree but that will never go well with those in love with another race who don't care about the bigger picture as long as they can be happy.

And all it needs is a growing number of people who think that way, in order to have the elves get extinct forever.

And I am saying this while not being a fan of the elves. If I wanted them eliminated, the perfect plan would be to encourage human / elf relations as much as possible and in a few generations. No more elves.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 juin 2010 - 11:59 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Grey Wardens can have kids. Just not with each other. So yes the argument still fits.

[sylvanaerie]

My daughter's BFF drew me a pic of Alistair's rose...I think she is quite talented ! I sure as hell can't draw roses this well.







And yea Sarah considering its my game and i can interpret it how I want to yea I will romance Alistair whenever I like. GW PC is infertile or damn close to it anyway. I can't worry about if 1000 years from now in the game all the former elves now have round ears instead of pointed. Its a non concern to me.

And try telling all the human/dwarves who romance zevran that they are contributing singlehandedly to the demise of their lover's species and see how well they receive your insights.

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Since this is the Alistair gush thread he's usually the shem in question though, so...

Of course, I've already asked a few weeks ago and found out that if they could have children with him it would not stop some but not all of the posters here from being with Alistair anyway and having human children.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Edit: You have a lower chance to get knocked up by a non-GW, but you can still get knocked up.

And have the child taken away by the Grey Wardens or eaten by darkspawn?  Yeah, that is high on my elves' priority list.

[Kryyptehk]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Edit: You have a lower chance to get knocked up by a non-GW, but you can still get knocked up.

And have the child taken away by the Grey Wardens or eaten by darkspawn?  Yeah, that is high on my elves' priority list.

People keep saying stuff like that, and I have never heard anything about the Wardens taking away Warden children. There is no reason why they would.

[mellifera]

I think it depends on what kind of person you are. I don't think many would give up the person they love because in a thousand years time they may have, in a tiny way, contributed to the decline of their species.

[sylvanaerie]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Edit: You have a lower chance to get knocked up by a non-GW, but you can still get knocked up.

And have the child taken away by the Grey Wardens or eaten by darkspawn?  Yeah, that is high on my elves' priority list.

People keep saying stuff like that, and I have never heard anything about the Wardens taking away Warden children. There is no reason why they would.

Fiona says it a tthe end of the Calling novel.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Since this is the Alistair gush thread he's usually the shem in question though, so...

Of course, I've already asked a few weeks ago and found out that if they could have children with him it would not stop some but not all of the posters here from being with Alistair anyway and having human children.

An elf PC who is aware, would go for Zevran or a non-GW elf, in order to fullfill the duty of preserving her dying race.
 
But love clouds reason all the time, I guess.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 juin 2010 - 12:06 .

[tmp7704]

Cross-species relationships are hard anyway:



Sten: ...
PC: ...
Sten: ...
PC: ...
Sten: This... hair.
PC? Ye-es?
Sten: Just no.
Sten disapproves: -20

[Sarah1281]

sylvanaerie wrote...

And yea Sarah considering its my game and i can interpret it how I want to yea I will romance Alistair whenever I like. GW PC is infertile or damn close to it anyway. I can't worry about if 1000 years from now in the game all the former elves now have round ears instead of pointed. Its a non concern to me.
And try telling all the human/dwarves who romance zevran that they are contributing singlehandedly to the demise of their lover's species and see how well they receive your insights.

You make is sound like all that's going to change is the ear shape and not that an entire species is going to go extinct...

And again: I am not trying to tell you not to romance Alistair but just pointing out that elves having children with non-elves is contributing to the destruction of their race. You're right, of course, that if Zevran has children with a non-elven Warden then it is the same situation but I'm not sure the human/dwarf Warden in question would care anymore than, say, the human/dwarf you could end up having children with. It's not really the non-elves responsibility to ensure the survival of the elven race and there is nothing they can do except not kill elves and not reproduce with them.

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Edit: You have a lower chance to get knocked up by a non-GW, but you can still get knocked up.

And have the child taken away by the Grey Wardens or eaten by darkspawn?  Yeah, that is high on my elves' priority list.

What?

Edit: Mainly to the "eaten by darkspawn" part.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 14 juin 2010 - 12:07 .

[Kryyptehk]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Edit: You have a lower chance to get knocked up by a non-GW, but you can still get knocked up.

And have the child taken away by the Grey Wardens or eaten by darkspawn?  Yeah, that is high on my elves' priority list.

People keep saying stuff like that, and I have never heard anything about the Wardens taking away Warden children. There is no reason why they would.

Fiona says it a tthe end of the Calling novel.

Huh. That's ridiculous. Sometimes I want to smack the Wardens<_<

[mellifera]

tmp7704 wrote...

Cross-species relationships are hard anyway:



Sten: ...
PC: ...
Sten: ...
PC: ...
Sten: This... hair.
PC? Ye-es?
Sten: Just no.
Sten disapproves: -20

Sten may disapprove but I DO WANT

[Sarah1281]

yukidama wrote...

I think it depends on what kind of person you are. I don't think many would give up the person they love because in a thousand years time they may have, in a tiny way, contributed to the decline of their species.

I know. It's human/elf/dwarf nature not to care and to just focus on the now and that is exactly WHY it may turn out so badly for the elves.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Wardens take kids? I guess it's because they are tainted already.

Still, I am pretty sure married Wardens, and they exist, don't have their kids taken jut like that.

But if that's the case, then yea the argument isn't really pertinent with a Warden elf.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

And yea Sarah considering its my game and i can interpret it how I want to yea I will romance Alistair whenever I like. GW PC is infertile or damn close to it anyway. I can't worry about if 1000 years from now in the game all the former elves now have round ears instead of pointed. Its a non concern to me.
And try telling all the human/dwarves who romance zevran that they are contributing singlehandedly to the demise of their lover's species and see how well they receive your insights.

You make is sound like all that's going to change is the ear shape and not that an entire species is going to go extinct...

And again: I am not trying to tell you not to romance Alistair but just pointing out that elves having children with non-elves is contributing to the destruction of their race. You're right, of course, that if Zevran has children with a non-elven Warden then it is the same situation but I'm not sure the human/dwarf Warden in question would care anymore than, say, the human/dwarf you could end up having children with. It's not really the non-elves responsibility to ensure the survival of the elven race and there is nothing they can do except not kill elves and not reproduce with them.

And I still fail to see your point how the mostly infertile warden is going to be the deciding factor in the continuance of the race?  Does this mean that dwarves shouldn't romance humans either because of their crappy birth rate? What then of those dwarves who romance Alistair? That's contributing to dwarven extinction.  And they have a sh*ttier birth rate than elves.  Considering your chances of having a child are from zero to next to none, how is the PC's actions going to affect the fate of their entire species?  You are reading FAR too much into the situation.
Your argument makes no sense to me.  

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Edit: You have a lower chance to get knocked up by a non-GW, but you can still get knocked up.

And have the child taken away by the Grey Wardens or eaten by darkspawn?  Yeah, that is high on my elves' priority list.

What?

Edit: Mainly to the "eaten by darkspawn" part.

I think it refers to GW kids being born with the taint based on what Morrigan says about how the tainted fetus will attract the Old God's soul even though it's been confirmed by WoG that GW have untainted children. And that raises the question of if they're really going to try to take the Hero of Ferelden or King/Prince-Consort's children away, especially in the latter case where that's the miracle heir to the throne.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Our PCs are Grey Wardens and hence taken out of the reproduction pool anyway, by the taint.

No. You can not have kids with other GW.

Since this is the Alistair gush thread he's usually the shem in question though, so...

Of course, I've already asked a few weeks ago and found out that if they could have children with him it would not stop some but not all of the posters here from being with Alistair anyway and having human children.

An elf PC who is aware, would go for Zevran or a non-GW elf, in order to fullfill the duty of preserving her dying race.
 
But love clouds reason all the time, I guess.

It has nothing to do with reason.  Subliminating your own wants and desires becuase it might contribute in a teeny-tiny way to your race declining way in the future is insane.  You become a slave to your people.  How is that better?  And if you don't love Zevran or another elf, why would you go for them?

And if an elf wants to be with a non-elf, and is prevented from doing so, and chooses not to be with anyone else, how has the race benefitted?  It's not like they had elven children anyway.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I think it depends on what kind of person you are. I don't think many would give up the person they love because in a thousand years time they may have, in a tiny way, contributed to the decline of their species.

I know. It's human/elf/dwarf nature not to care and to just focus on the now and that is exactly WHY it may turn out so badly for the elves.

And then people will complain that it was the humans' fault. Ugh.

Eh, if the elves can't even survive properly, then maybe they shouldn't.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

What?

Edit: Mainly to the "eaten by darkspawn" part.

Our PCs are warriors, marked by the taint, and darkspawn are drawn to them.  I realize that GW babies are a staple of fanfiction, but it is not very high on the mind of my PCs.  Many of them are mages and would have their children taken by the Chantry if not by the Grey Wardens.  But even if that were not the case, motherhood would not exactly be on their to-do list, with a couple exceptions.

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Wardens take kids? I guess it's because they are tainted already. 

*hits with rolled up newspaper*

No, they are not.

David Gaider wrote...

A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not tainted in any fashion.

[mellifera]

What about elves and dwarves that choose not to have children?