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[Sarah1281]

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Is it kinder to kill Jowan or to let him probably become Tranquil back at the Circle?

If you tell him "run, I never want to see you again" he actually ends up protecting travelers.

Yeah, but if you don't know him beyond 'blood mage that poisoned the Arl and accidentally started a zombie apocalypse' then that's not really a very practical decision.

Zombie Apocolypse would have started without him, Connor would have become possessed with or without Jowan. There's also the option to free him with another dialog choice, and he'll appear in the main hall begging to help, to redeem himself. But if you really can't do that, then considering all he wants is to make things right with the circle (which is how Loghain took advantage) then the kindest thing is to leave him in the cell, and when Teagan, and later Eamon ask your opinion tell them it's not their place, it's a matter for the circle.

Would it have? Connor got possessed because he made a deal with a demon to save the father Jowan poisoned. Without that who knows what would have happened.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Leliana has permanently lost Orzammar privileges after the first time I heard her musing about getting a job there helping the King reach things on tall shelves. No, Leliana, that is not adorable.

Not to mention I wouldn't put it past most in the warrior/noble castes to have her killed for that remark...

Ha, I have to say I did laugh at that.  With her character, the writers seemed to want to risk making bigotry sound cute.  It seems to work for some people.

Ah well, anything to hear a few of the Alistair banters I haven't heard in a while.  Oh, and the ZDF-restored one with Zevran triggered the other day, the one where they're comparing Fereldan women to dogs.  It did make me want to smack both of them.  I'm going to pretend Idun was off selling some of her potions and haggling too loud to hear that little morsel.

Modifié par Addai67, 14 juin 2010 - 05:08 .

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Is it kinder to kill Jowan or to let him probably become Tranquil back at the Circle?

If you tell him "run, I never want to see you again" he actually ends up protecting travelers.

Yeah, but if you don't know him beyond 'blood mage that poisoned the Arl and accidentally started a zombie apocalypse' then that's not really a very practical decision.

Zombie Apocolypse would have started without him, Connor would have become possessed with or without Jowan. There's also the option to free him with another dialog choice, and he'll appear in the main hall begging to help, to redeem himself. But if you really can't do that, then considering all he wants is to make things right with the circle (which is how Loghain took advantage) then the kindest thing is to leave him in the cell, and when Teagan, and later Eamon ask your opinion tell them it's not their place, it's a matter for the circle.

Would it have? Connor got possessed because he made a deal with a demon to save the father Jowan poisoned. Without that who knows what would have happened.

You don't think Loghain would have sent someone ELSE to poison the Arl, had he not had Jowan? He would have, and likely to the same result. Connor is a mage, and an untrained one. Demons aren't summoned by him or Jowan. The demon preyed on him in his sleep, and because he wasn't sent to the circle to learn and control his magic, he was easy prey for the demon. Connor tells you she approached him in his dreams.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Leliana has permanently lost Orzammar privileges after the first time I heard her musing about getting a job there helping the King reach things on tall shelves. No, Leliana, that is not adorable.

Not to mention I wouldn't put it past most in the warrior/noble castes to have her killed for that remark...

Ha, I have to say I did laugh at that.  With her character, the writers seemed to want to risk making bigotry sound cute.  It seems to work for some people.

Ah well, anything to hear a few of the Alistair banters I haven't heard in a while.  Oh, and the ZDF-restored one with Zevran triggered the other day, the one where they're comparing Fereldan women to dogs.  It did make me want to smack both of them.  I'm going to pretend Idun was off selling some of her potions and haggling too loud to hear hear that little morsel.

Oh gosh, there's a few I'm glad my Dalish never heard...the one about how the aravels move in the forest is harmless, but he has one about how halla horns are valuable in some areas.   That would have been a "You did not just say that, I might have to start calling you shem and hate you now" comment...

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

Oh gosh, there's a few I'm glad my Dalish never heard...the one about how the aravels move in the forest is harmless, but he has one about how halla horns are valuable in some areas.   That would have been a "You did not just say that, I might have to start calling you shem and hate you now" comment...

The trees moving apart for the Dalish is mentioned in TST also, I believe.  Seems to have been a common legend.  Alistair definitely has clueless commentary, too.  The one that always makes me facepalm is him wondering, when you enter the alienage, if the elves are going to gang up on you, if elves do that.  Besides the fact that your party is armored, armed and an unstoppable force against darkspawn mobs...

[Addai]

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[Sandtigress]

So yeah, Alistair being SS is just "how it's supposed to be" for me....but I have to admit that I find dual-wield to be drop dead sexy (I was totally enjoying all of Dastan's fight scenes last night watching Prince of Persia and my heart stops for Legolas in LotR). Are we all seeing Ron's irresistible pull on me now...? >.>

[Maria13]

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Oh gosh, there's a few I'm glad my Dalish never heard...the one about how the aravels move in the forest is harmless, but he has one about how halla horns are valuable in some areas.   That would have been a "You did not just say that, I might have to start calling you shem and hate you now" comment...

The trees moving apart for the Dalish is mentioned in TST also, I believe.  Seems to have been a common legend.  Alistair definitely has clueless commentary, too.  The one that always makes me facepalm is him wondering, when you enter the alienage, if the elves are going to gang up on you, if elves do that.  Besides the fact that your party is armored, armed and an unstoppable force against darkspawn mobs...

Might well be that to make the fully rounded characters they thought of giving them some prejudices, after all, that's a pretty human trait...

[Lady Jess]

Sandtigress wrote...

So yeah, Alistair being SS is just "how it's supposed to be" for me....but I have to admit that I find dual-wield to be drop dead sexy (I was totally enjoying all of Dastan's fight scenes last night watching Prince of Persia and my heart stops for Legolas in LotR). Are we all seeing Ron's irresistible pull on me now...? >.>

It' ok Sandi...I was doing Rescue the queen yesterday. And when Riordan drags that guard into his cell, and the PC baacks up, she usually ends up near Alistair. Fitting, of course since Caislyn lubs him. But...she ended up near Zev..and I suddenly had this thought pop into my head "hey...ya know they don't look half bad together..."

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

So yeah, Alistair being SS is just "how it's supposed to be" for me....but I have to admit that I find dual-wield to be drop dead sexy (I was totally enjoying all of Dastan's fight scenes last night watching Prince of Persia and my heart stops for Legolas in LotR). Are we all seeing Ron's irresistible pull on me now...? >.>

It IS.  Partly because he's moving so fast.  I think the terrrrrible sloooowness of S&S fighting is probably exaggerated in the game in order to balance gameplay- higher defense is offset by an attack penalty.  But good night, I hate watching while S&S warriors wind up for a blow.  2H is slightly better because, when they eventually get around to swinging, the blows are so powerful.

Meanwhile, Alistair's flurry followed up by a decisive decap could only be improved if he would smile like he does for SurelyForth. 

[Sandtigress]

Maria13 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Oh gosh, there's a few I'm glad my Dalish never heard...the one about how the aravels move in the forest is harmless, but he has one about how halla horns are valuable in some areas.   That would have been a "You did not just say that, I might have to start calling you shem and hate you now" comment...

The trees moving apart for the Dalish is mentioned in TST also, I believe.  Seems to have been a common legend.  Alistair definitely has clueless commentary, too.  The one that always makes me facepalm is him wondering, when you enter the alienage, if the elves are going to gang up on you, if elves do that.  Besides the fact that your party is armored, armed and an unstoppable force against darkspawn mobs...

Might well be that to make the fully rounded characters they thought of giving them some prejudices, after all, that's a pretty human trait...

Actually, while I think Leliana has very clear (though well-meaning) prejudices, especially when it comes to elves, Alistair just seems too clueless to be really prejudiced.  I can't think of anything he says that's really awful, just things that would earn him a slap on the back of the head for being dumb.  I mean, the elves are ganging up on that shem right when you walk into the alienage...

[Lady Jess]

Sandtigress wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Oh gosh, there's a few I'm glad my Dalish never heard...the one about how the aravels move in the forest is harmless, but he has one about how halla horns are valuable in some areas.   That would have been a "You did not just say that, I might have to start calling you shem and hate you now" comment...

The trees moving apart for the Dalish is mentioned in TST also, I believe.  Seems to have been a common legend.  Alistair definitely has clueless commentary, too.  The one that always makes me facepalm is him wondering, when you enter the alienage, if the elves are going to gang up on you, if elves do that.  Besides the fact that your party is armored, armed and an unstoppable force against darkspawn mobs...

Might well be that to make the fully rounded characters they thought of giving them some prejudices, after all, that's a pretty human trait...

Actually, while I think Leliana has very clear (though well-meaning) prejudices, especially when it comes to elves, Alistair just seems too clueless to be really prejudiced.  I can't think of anything he says that's really awful, just things that would earn him a slap on the back of the head for being dumb.  I mean, the elves are ganging up on that shem right when you walk into the alienage...

My city elf actually wanted to to a Agent Gibbs style head slap to those elves. Way to make us look good guys!! Future King of Ferelden here!

[Kryyptehk]

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

So yeah, Alistair being SS is just "how it's supposed to be" for me....but I have to admit that I find dual-wield to be drop dead sexy (I was totally enjoying all of Dastan's fight scenes last night watching Prince of Persia and my heart stops for Legolas in LotR). Are we all seeing Ron's irresistible pull on me now...? >.>

It IS.  Partly because he's moving so fast.  I think the terrrrrible sloooowness of S&S fighting is probably exaggerated in the game in order to balance gameplay- higher defense is offset by an attack penalty.  But good night, I hate watching while S&S warriors wind up for a blow.  2H is slightly better because, when they eventually get around to swinging, the blows are so powerful.

Meanwhile, Alistair's flurry followed up by a decisive decap could only be improved if he would smile like he does for SurelyForth. 

I actually think S&S is a lot sexier than the others. I think it is so sexy that I always make my warriors S&S because they are so so sexy.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...
Actually, while I think Leliana has very clear (though well-meaning) prejudices, especially when it comes to elves, Alistair just seems too clueless to be really prejudiced.  I can't think of anything he says that's really awful, just things that would earn him a slap on the back of the head for being dumb.  I mean, the elves are ganging up on that shem right when you walk into the alienage...

I agree, he gets some slack for having lived in more isolation.  Leliana's comments seem to work the same way that her eventual discussion of being a bard does- to shock you because you don't expect such a syrupy sweet character to say some really awful things with a smile on her face.  Her dialogue with a Dalish PC about dragging off women and children....   ...and she doesn't back down when you ask her if she is joking.

Maybe it has some basis in reality, since Zevran talks about Dalish in Antiva being "more violent" than those in Ferelden.

[Sandtigress]

lol I've been watching a lot of NCIS - the Agent Gibbs head-slap is EXACTLY what I was thinking of!

[Kryyptehk]

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
Actually, while I think Leliana has very clear (though well-meaning) prejudices, especially when it comes to elves, Alistair just seems too clueless to be really prejudiced.  I can't think of anything he says that's really awful, just things that would earn him a slap on the back of the head for being dumb.  I mean, the elves are ganging up on that shem right when you walk into the alienage...

I agree, he gets some slack for having lived in more isolation.  Leliana's comments seem to work the same way that her eventual discussion of being a bard does- to shock you because you don't expect such a syrupy sweet character to say some really awful things with a smile on her face.  Her dialogue with a Dalish PC about dragging off women and children....   ...and she doesn't back down when you ask her if she is joking.

Maybe it has some basis in reality, since Zevran talks about Dalish in Antiva being "more violent" than those in Ferelden.

When is this?

[Addai]

Kryyptehk wrote...

I actually think S&S is a lot sexier than the others. I think it is so sexy that I always make my warriors S&S because they are so so sexy.

If they did nothing but shield bash, I could agree.  But I don't play warriors anyway, and with the respec mod to fix Alistair, I am content to use shields for selling.

[Lady Jess]

Sandtigress wrote...

lol I've been watching a lot of NCIS - the Agent Gibbs head-slap is EXACTLY what I was thinking of!

I love that show. Mark Harmon...mmmm yum. And damn the older the man gets the hotter. Tony isn't bad I guess, I love Abby and Ziva.

[Addai]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
Actually, while I think Leliana has very clear (though well-meaning) prejudices, especially when it comes to elves, Alistair just seems too clueless to be really prejudiced.  I can't think of anything he says that's really awful, just things that would earn him a slap on the back of the head for being dumb.  I mean, the elves are ganging up on that shem right when you walk into the alienage...

I agree, he gets some slack for having lived in more isolation.  Leliana's comments seem to work the same way that her eventual discussion of being a bard does- to shock you because you don't expect such a syrupy sweet character to say some really awful things with a smile on her face.  Her dialogue with a Dalish PC about dragging off women and children....   ...and she doesn't back down when you ask her if she is joking.

Maybe it has some basis in reality, since Zevran talks about Dalish in Antiva being "more violent" than those in Ferelden.

When is this?

It's one of the first dialogues you have with her as an elven PC.  For mages and city elves, she talks about life in an alienage.  For a Dalish PC, she talks about being pleasantly surprised you haven't dragged off any women or children.  Then both go into how elves are highly valued as servants in Orlais etc.  I was going to make a video of it but I can't remember if I actually did or not... will check when I get home.

[Sandtigress]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

So yeah, Alistair being SS is just "how it's supposed to be" for me....but I have to admit that I find dual-wield to be drop dead sexy (I was totally enjoying all of Dastan's fight scenes last night watching Prince of Persia and my heart stops for Legolas in LotR). Are we all seeing Ron's irresistible pull on me now...? >.>

It IS.  Partly because he's moving so fast.  I think the terrrrrible sloooowness of S&S fighting is probably exaggerated in the game in order to balance gameplay- higher defense is offset by an attack penalty.  But good night, I hate watching while S&S warriors wind up for a blow.  2H is slightly better because, when they eventually get around to swinging, the blows are so powerful.

Meanwhile, Alistair's flurry followed up by a decisive decap could only be improved if he would smile like he does for SurelyForth. 

I actually think S&S is a lot sexier than the others. I think it is so sexy that I always make my warriors S&S because they are so so sexy.

Don't get me wrong - Alistair as SS is sexy - I always yell for him to help me if an ogre's got me, and he always comes running to my rescue.    I think it suits the knight image I love for him.

However, in every other case, dual wield wins it for me, hands down, and can literally take my breath away when done well in movies and the like.  I had to try really really really hard not to squee outloud last night with all the terrific dual-wield acrobatics in the movie last night.

[Kryyptehk]

Addai67 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
Actually, while I think Leliana has very clear (though well-meaning) prejudices, especially when it comes to elves, Alistair just seems too clueless to be really prejudiced.  I can't think of anything he says that's really awful, just things that would earn him a slap on the back of the head for being dumb.  I mean, the elves are ganging up on that shem right when you walk into the alienage...

I agree, he gets some slack for having lived in more isolation.  Leliana's comments seem to work the same way that her eventual discussion of being a bard does- to shock you because you don't expect such a syrupy sweet character to say some really awful things with a smile on her face.  Her dialogue with a Dalish PC about dragging off women and children....   ...and she doesn't back down when you ask her if she is joking.

Maybe it has some basis in reality, since Zevran talks about Dalish in Antiva being "more violent" than those in Ferelden.

When is this?

It's one of the first dialogues you have with her as an elven PC.  For mages and city elves, she talks about life in an alienage.  For a Dalish PC, she talks about being pleasantly surprised you haven't dragged off any women or children.  Then both go into how elves are highly valued as servants in Orlais etc.  I was going to make a video of it but I can't remember if I actually did or not... will check when I get home.

Wow, I never got that convo as an elf mage, and I haven't played a Dalish or City Elf far enough to get it. That's just absolutely horrible.

[TotoroTori]

Lady Jess wrote...
It' ok Sandi...I was doing Rescue the queen yesterday. And when Riordan drags that guard into his cell, and the PC baacks up, she usually ends up near Alistair. Fitting, of course since Caislyn lubs him. But...she ended up near Zev..and I suddenly had this thought pop into my head "hey...ya know they don't look half bad together..."

they do look cute together must be the blond hair...

But as a girl that barely peks 5'2 I always want my man taller then me I wish they didn't make the humans so tall, I always thought elves were suppose to be taller then humans?

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

It's one of the first dialogues you have with her as an elven PC.  For mages and city elves, she talks about life in an alienage.  For a Dalish PC, she talks about being pleasantly surprised you haven't dragged off any women or children.  Then both go into how elves are highly valued as servants in Orlais etc.  I was going to make a video of it but I can't remember if I actually did or not... will check when I get home.

That is what all humans get told about Dalish and it is her job to keep track of stories.

Edit: As to the servant thing, she comes from a similar background.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 14 juin 2010 - 05:40 .

[Kryyptehk]

Sandtigress wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

So yeah, Alistair being SS is just "how it's supposed to be" for me....but I have to admit that I find dual-wield to be drop dead sexy (I was totally enjoying all of Dastan's fight scenes last night watching Prince of Persia and my heart stops for Legolas in LotR). Are we all seeing Ron's irresistible pull on me now...? >.>

It IS.  Partly because he's moving so fast.  I think the terrrrrible sloooowness of S&S fighting is probably exaggerated in the game in order to balance gameplay- higher defense is offset by an attack penalty.  But good night, I hate watching while S&S warriors wind up for a blow.  2H is slightly better because, when they eventually get around to swinging, the blows are so powerful.

Meanwhile, Alistair's flurry followed up by a decisive decap could only be improved if he would smile like he does for SurelyForth. 

I actually think S&S is a lot sexier than the others. I think it is so sexy that I always make my warriors S&S because they are so so sexy.

Don't get me wrong - Alistair as SS is sexy - I always yell for him to help me if an ogre's got me, and he always comes running to my rescue.    I think it suits the knight image I love for him.

However, in every other case, dual wield wins it for me, hands down, and can literally take my breath away when done well in movies and the like.  I had to try really really really hard not to squee outloud last night with all the terrific dual-wield acrobatics in the movie last night.

Yeah, I think dual-wielders look kind of silly. But YMMV, I hear a lot of people respec Alistair to dual wielding.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
Actually, while I think Leliana has very clear (though well-meaning) prejudices, especially when it comes to elves, Alistair just seems too clueless to be really prejudiced.  I can't think of anything he says that's really awful, just things that would earn him a slap on the back of the head for being dumb.  I mean, the elves are ganging up on that shem right when you walk into the alienage...

I agree, he gets some slack for having lived in more isolation.  Leliana's comments seem to work the same way that her eventual discussion of being a bard does- to shock you because you don't expect such a syrupy sweet character to say some really awful things with a smile on her face.  Her dialogue with a Dalish PC about dragging off women and children....   ...and she doesn't back down when you ask her if she is joking.

Maybe it has some basis in reality, since Zevran talks about Dalish in Antiva being "more violent" than those in Ferelden.

When is this?

It's one of the first dialogues you have with her as an elven PC.  For mages and city elves, she talks about life in an alienage.  For a Dalish PC, she talks about being pleasantly surprised you haven't dragged off any women or children.  Then both go into how elves are highly valued as servants in Orlais etc.  I was going to make a video of it but I can't remember if I actually did or not... will check when I get home.

You know, I don't remember this so well either.  This could cause trouble for Kara and Leliana....maybe they're not as good friends as I thought. And the more I think about it, Morrigan and she probably get along decently well.  Rethinking RP into a coherent story makes for interesting changes when you try to be really thorough...


Ackkkkkk, another ToP!  That's the third one this morning!

How about some Alistair SS action?

Modifié par Sandtigress, 14 juin 2010 - 05:40 .