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[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

This is true. I'd like to cross that bridge when I get to it (if it gets addressed in a sequel, which I have high doubts). I think they want to move the game forward, not tie up loose ends in origins so I view my actions in origins as if it's a stand-alone game. I can fill in the blanks for my personal games after the epilogue cards unless they really do expand upon this. Otherwise I want new romances, new stories, and so on! 

Yeah, I have the same feeling. With everything except Morrigan, there will be something about that sooner or later. Be it an expansion or in the sequel (despite what the broken hearts club says in the Morrigan thread).

And I like that it is a little open ended.

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I know. Everyone always acts like he singlehandedly destroys Orzammar by...adding a bit more isolation that can easily be undone by whoever succeeds him.

You hit the nail on the head. EXACTLY!!

Plus what doesn't really get discussed is that Harrowmont isn't doing anything different than what King Endrin did. If you sneer at Harrowmont's policies, then you're sneering at the father who maintained the status quo. I am a little surprised at how little King Endrin gets discussed (other than his role in letting his child die in the Deep Roads to cover up a family scandal). I roleplayed my noble as someone who loved and respected her father very much so he had to know what he was doing when he chose Harrowmont to keep things going. The fact that he rejected Bhelen carried some weight.

My DN's always seem to have a ton of daddy issues and can still be upset at Endrin's actions even if they understand (and are outright pissed when he changed his mind at the last second and made almost getting you killed worthless).

Harrowmont does seem to be like Endrin although I'd say he's a bit more traditional and honorable than him. I mean, can you really see Harrowmont having his favorite child killed to avoid a scandal or mudering his older brother for power? Plus Endrin, at least, is a strong King while Harrowmont is all 'you know, I'd like to have a government with the King as figurehead.' And Endrin's policies were starting to get outdated as well since times were changing and he didn't appear to want to hear it but everyone knew that his time was coming.

[Lady Jess]

Gilsa wrote...

Yeah, the mistress label does not even enter my mind. I don't understand the attitude that you've gone from a legendary warden to a tart on the side if Alistair becomes king and keeps his relationship with you. It would make sense if Anora was staying in the picture, but other than that, it just means your boyfriend landed a very cushy job, nothing more. =p

Exactly! And if we must speculate on the future, the title of mistress in the general time frame of the game did not have a stigma like it does now. If people are going to USE the term, IF Alistair gets married, then it's only fair that it is looked at in THAT time period without current day's stigma attached. They were very common among heir-minded nobilty and arranged marriages, and in many cases supported encouraged BY the wife, who only tolerated sex to produce an heir to start with.

Nobility was put together like breeding thoroughbreds back then, love was something you found outside, and it was accepted.

[Sarah1281]

Lady Jess wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Yeah, the mistress label does not even enter my mind. I don't understand the attitude that you've gone from a legendary warden to a tart on the side if Alistair becomes king and keeps his relationship with you. It would make sense if Anora was staying in the picture, but other than that, it just means your boyfriend landed a very cushy job, nothing more. =p

Exactly! And if we must speculate on the future, the title of mistress in the general time frame of the game did not have a stigma like it does now. If people are going to USE the term, IF Alistair gets married, then it's only fair that it is looked at in THAT time period without current day's stigma attached. They were very common among heir-minded nobilty and arranged marriages, and in many cases supported encouraged BY the wife, who only tolerated sex to produce an heir to start with.

Nobility was put together like breeding thoroughbreds back then, love was something you found outside, and it was accepted.

Were nobles each other's mistress ? Like would, say, a duchess or the sister of a duke (depending on if you take Gwaren or just are Fergus' sister) or a foreign princess be the mistress of a King? 

[Gilsa]

Aye, being a mistress is encouraged in some regards in Orzammar mainly because they want more women breeding. The sons that they bring in help make the houses stronger and the mistress/family often gets moved in with the noble's family. (The casteless stigma still applies, but they look the other way if they've gotten a same-sex child out of it.)

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

Aye, being a mistress is encouraged in some regards in Orzammar mainly because they want more women breeding. The sons that they bring in help make the houses stronger and the mistress/family often gets moved in with the noble's family. (The casteless stigma still applies, but they look the other way if they've gotten a same-sex child out of it.)

There is that comparison, I guess, but that would probably only apply to males since if a noblewoman got pregnant with a casteless son then she 'wasted her fertility' as Mardy puts it. I wonder how many noble hunters there are. Rica says that the only reason they have a name now is because there are so many that the nobles can't ignore them anymore.

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Yeah, the mistress label does not even enter my mind. I don't understand the attitude that you've gone from a legendary warden to a tart on the side if Alistair becomes king and keeps his relationship with you. It would make sense if Anora was staying in the picture, but other than that, it just means your boyfriend landed a very cushy job, nothing more. =p

Exactly! And if we must speculate on the future, the title of mistress in the general time frame of the game did not have a stigma like it does now. If people are going to USE the term, IF Alistair gets married, then it's only fair that it is looked at in THAT time period without current day's stigma attached. They were very common among heir-minded nobilty and arranged marriages, and in many cases supported encouraged BY the wife, who only tolerated sex to produce an heir to start with.

Nobility was put together like breeding thoroughbreds back then, love was something you found outside, and it was accepted.

Were nobles each other's mistress ? Like would, say, a duchess or the sister of a duke (depending on if you take Gwaren or just are Fergus' sister) or a foreign princess be the mistress of a King? 

It was mostly nobles due to them meeting few common folk.

Edit: Or it may be because the ones with commoners didn't get exposed as often.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 17 juin 2010 - 08:23 .

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Yeah, the mistress label does not even enter my mind. I don't understand the attitude that you've gone from a legendary warden to a tart on the side if Alistair becomes king and keeps his relationship with you. It would make sense if Anora was staying in the picture, but other than that, it just means your boyfriend landed a very cushy job, nothing more. =p

Exactly! And if we must speculate on the future, the title of mistress in the general time frame of the game did not have a stigma like it does now. If people are going to USE the term, IF Alistair gets married, then it's only fair that it is looked at in THAT time period without current day's stigma attached. They were very common among heir-minded nobilty and arranged marriages, and in many cases supported encouraged BY the wife, who only tolerated sex to produce an heir to start with.

Nobility was put together like breeding thoroughbreds back then, love was something you found outside, and it was accepted.

Were nobles each other's mistress ? Like would, say, a duchess or the sister of a duke (depending on if you take Gwaren or just are Fergus' sister) or a foreign princess be the mistress of a King? 

Lol they'd likely be clawing each others eyes out to be in line to MARRY the king. Fergus' sister, in fact can and will marry the king:)

[Sandtigress]

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Yeah, the mistress label does not even enter my mind. I don't understand the attitude that you've gone from a legendary warden to a tart on the side if Alistair becomes king and keeps his relationship with you. It would make sense if Anora was staying in the picture, but other than that, it just means your boyfriend landed a very cushy job, nothing more. =p

Exactly! And if we must speculate on the future, the title of mistress in the general time frame of the game did not have a stigma like it does now. If people are going to USE the term, IF Alistair gets married, then it's only fair that it is looked at in THAT time period without current day's stigma attached. They were very common among heir-minded nobilty and arranged marriages, and in many cases supported encouraged BY the wife, who only tolerated sex to produce an heir to start with.

Nobility was put together like breeding thoroughbreds back then, love was something you found outside, and it was accepted.

Were nobles each other's mistress ? Like would, say, a duchess or the sister of a duke (depending on if you take Gwaren or just are Fergus' sister) or a foreign princess be the mistress of a King? 

Lol they'd likely be clawing each others eyes out to be in line to MARRY the king. Fergus' sister, in fact can and will marry the king:)

And not just the king, but a very handsome, athletic, funny, and charming king.  :wub:  Who just wants someone to love and a family of his own.  :wub::wub:

[sabreene]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Yeah, the mistress label does not even enter my mind. I don't understand the attitude that you've gone from a legendary warden to a tart on the side if Alistair becomes king and keeps his relationship with you. It would make sense if Anora was staying in the picture, but other than that, it just means your boyfriend landed a very cushy job, nothing more. =p

Exactly! And if we must speculate on the future, the title of mistress in the general time frame of the game did not have a stigma like it does now. If people are going to USE the term, IF Alistair gets married, then it's only fair that it is looked at in THAT time period without current day's stigma attached. They were very common among heir-minded nobilty and arranged marriages, and in many cases supported encouraged BY the wife, who only tolerated sex to produce an heir to start with.

Nobility was put together like breeding thoroughbreds back then, love was something you found outside, and it was accepted.

Were nobles each other's mistress ? Like would, say, a duchess or the sister of a duke (depending on if you take Gwaren or just are Fergus' sister) or a foreign princess be the mistress of a King? 

A foreign princess would most likely be set up in an advantageous marriage, although there were probably times when the most advantageous situation was that of a mistress for a younger sister.

For nobility, I would hazard that they were both married to other people, and then kept the affair going between themselves. Nobility didn't usually have the luxury of marrying for love, or not marrying at all. They needed to keep the titles, land, money and political connections that marriage brought. Edit: Although sometimes the most advantageous tie was again, to be mistress to someone powerful.

Edit: In terms of DAO, Fereldan seems like it would want to keep the blood lines within its own country, and probably wouldn't be sending for Antivan or Orlesian nobles. I'd guess they'd want Alistair to marry a noble of Fereldan.

Modifié par sabreene, 17 juin 2010 - 08:32 .

[Maria13]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Yeah, the mistress label does not even enter my mind. I don't understand the attitude that you've gone from a legendary warden to a tart on the side if Alistair becomes king and keeps his relationship with you. It would make sense if Anora was staying in the picture, but other than that, it just means your boyfriend landed a very cushy job, nothing more. =p

Exactly! And if we must speculate on the future, the title of mistress in the general time frame of the game did not have a stigma like it does now. If people are going to USE the term, IF Alistair gets married, then it's only fair that it is looked at in THAT time period without current day's stigma attached. They were very common among heir-minded nobilty and arranged marriages, and in many cases supported encouraged BY the wife, who only tolerated sex to produce an heir to start with.

Nobility was put together like breeding thoroughbreds back then, love was something you found outside, and it was accepted.

Were nobles each other's mistress ? Like would, say, a duchess or the sister of a duke (depending on if you take Gwaren or just are Fergus' sister) or a foreign princess be the mistress of a King? 

Definitely.  It was actually rare for a sovereign to take a "common" mistress (Nell Gwynn mistress of Charles II of England comes to mind, reputedly an orange seller), most were met and acquired in court so therefore had a noble background.

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Yes thats the line. When anora betrays you at the landsmeet he says "Oh look she turned on us, such a friendly little despot" or something like that. That was from Tess's landsmeet, I told Anora straight up that I wouldn't support her and that Loghain had to die. I still won the landsmeet too...hehe

Ha!  I knew it.  It's such an adorable little smirk, considering he and the PC might be about to get their heads chopped off.

Here's a Maricstair version of the same!

Modifié par Addai67, 17 juin 2010 - 08:35 .

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

*whispers* It's so quiet today....

I had a migraine, had to come home from work and lay down with an ice pack for a while.  I know you know the drill. 

I should still be prone, but at least it's much better out of the fluorescents.  And out of the stink.  Our office is near a big sewer interchange and... you get the picture.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

*whispers* It's so quiet today....

I had a migraine, had to come home from work and lay down with an ice pack for a while.  I know you know the drill. 

I should still be prone, but at least it's much better out of the fluorescents.  And out of the stink.  Our office is near a big sewer interchange and... you get the picture.

Aww.    You need lots and lots of Alistair lovin' to feel better!  *hugs*

[Lady Jess]

Ok google skills failing, anyon know where I can find out how to retint armor I have photoshop, I even have the nvidia plugin, but...I have no know how.

[soignee]

the history of mistresses is fascinating. Anne Boleyn, as an example, was a mistess of Henry the 8ths before she married him.

People knee jerk from the modern day equivilent of the word, but that's fairly understandable. I liek to think that mistresses in a DA setting is closer to how it is in say, Renaissance Italy, where they held considerable power and bastards were even acknowledged...



...OOH THAT PLOT SOUNDS FAMILIAR, I WONDER WHY

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Harrowmont isn't that bad if there is no anvil. There just is a lack of things happening.

What happens with Harrowmont and the anvil?  I hated the end slide I got when HNM kept the anvil, but that was with Bhelen.  I gather that Harrowmont is worse, by the way people talk.

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Harrowmont isn't that bad if there is no anvil. There just is a lack of things happening.

What happens with Harrowmont and the anvil?  I hated the end slide I got when HNM kept the anvil, but that was with Bhelen.  I gather that Harrowmont is worse, by the way people talk.

He "recruits" surfacers for it IIRC. It is Branka that runs the show.

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Harrowmont isn't that bad if there is no anvil. There just is a lack of things happening.

What happens with Harrowmont and the anvil?  I hated the end slide I got when HNM kept the anvil, but that was with Bhelen.  I gather that Harrowmont is worse, by the way people talk.

According to the DA wiki...
Siding with Harrowmont and recovering the Anvil of the Void will also lead to a decline after initial success. Harrowmont will discourage trade with the surface, leading to further isolation. In addition, after Harrowmont refuses Branka more volunteers for the Anvil, she will begin raiding the surface world for the needed ingredients. Eventually the surface world will retaliate, and some of Orzammar's tunnels will collapses in a battle - cutting off all access to the surface. This also happens even if the Dwarf Warden requests human military aid from Queen Anora in battling darkspawn in the deep roads. 

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Thinking about just playing my blood mage, taking a break from the Alistair love and good girls for a bit. If anything she'll get alot of eyebrows and Angrystair...lol

Gotta have some kind of motivation to keep from romancing the boy, that's for sure...

Heh, I love his annoyed clicky lines at the beginning of the game.  It makes me LOL and want to pinch his cheeks when he says "what?!"
And I'm sure the fact that we find this adorable would produce even more Eyebrow of Doom.  It's a vicious circle of .

Modifié par Addai67, 17 juin 2010 - 08:44 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Harrowmont leads the dwarves into a steady decline, with or without the anvil.

[Sarah1281]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Harrowmont leads the dwarves into a steady decline, with or without the anvil.

No, without the anvil it just says that the only thing he can manage to get done is increasing isolation with the Surface and soon dies (a lot of people suspect poison) and the Assembly begins to look for a successor immediately. It's only with the Anvil that he even stays alive long enough to make a mess of everything.

Edit: Oh, and another reason he can't get anything done without the Anvil is he needs the Anvil to put down Bhelen's rebellion.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 17 juin 2010 - 08:48 .

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...
Heh, I love his annoyed clicky lines at the beginning of the game.  It makes me LOL and want to pinch his cheeks when he says "what?!"

And I'm sure the fact that we find this adorable would produce even more Eyebrow of Doom.  It's a vicious circle of .

Truer words and all that. I really wish we had a "Could you be any hotter? Because I submit that you cannot." interrupt when he flames you for being despicable and/or sparing Loghain.

OT/Has anyone ever had a week where their brain just stops functioning for whatever reason? I'm on day four of being woefully dumb and it's driving me crazy.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 17 juin 2010 - 08:50 .

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Thinking about just playing my blood mage, taking a break from the Alistair love and good girls for a bit. If anything she'll get alot of eyebrows and Angrystair...lol

Gotta have some kind of motivation to keep from romancing the boy, that's for sure...

Heh, I love his annoyed clicky lines at the beginning of the game.  It makes me LOL and want to pinch his cheeks when he says "what?!"
And I'm sure the fact that we find this adorable would produce even more Eyebrow of Doom.  It's a vicious circle of .

One of the Hearties once commented on how Alistair hated her Warden and told him that "No, actually I don't feel all that lucky at all" when asked if Alistair really thought he was just some poor bastard too lucky to die with the rest of the Wardens. 

I said that would make me want to hug him, and she commented back that she wanted to hug him too, except Alistair hated her Warden!

Al, why are you so cute and lovable when you won't let us squee over you?  Why?!

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Heh, I love his annoyed clicky lines at the beginning of the game.  It makes me LOL and want to pinch his cheeks when he says "what?!"

And I'm sure the fact that we find this adorable would produce even more Eyebrow of Doom.  It's a vicious circle of .

Truer words and all that. I really wish we had a "Could you be any hotter? Because I submit that you cannot." interrupt when he flames you for being despicable and/or sparing Loghain.

Has anyone ever had a week where their brain just stops functioning for whatever reason? I'm on day four of being woefully dumb and it's driving me crazy.

*raises her hand*  Grad school is making me dumb.

Waaaaah, why is that a ToP?  Need an Alistair derp picture!

Modifié par Sandtigress, 17 juin 2010 - 08:50 .