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Is Eilis your CE?


Yep, she's at Ostagar.

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Ladies and gentlemen, here you go, if you please:

http://www.myarmoury.com/features.html


That seems to be a very good source of information about arms and armour and how they where made. It's geared towards collectors and those interested in armour as objects. I am more interested in how they where used, the tactics and psychology of combat and battle.


http://www.myarmoury...attle_agin.html


I saw that feature, and as battle descriptions go it's quite sketchy. My favourite description of the Battle of Agincourt is from John Keegan's masterpiece "The Face of Battle". That book is a must for anyone interested in the psychology of battle and warfare.

But now I think I should apologize for totally derail this thread. Back to Alistair!

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I saw that feature, and as battle descriptions go it's quite sketchy. My favourite description of the Battle of Agincourt is from John Keegan's masterpiece "The Face of Battle". That book is a must for anyone interested in the psychology of battle and warfare.

But now I think I should apologize for totally derail this thread. Back to Alistair!


Agreed. Thanks for the tip, didn't know about that one. With that, let's leave the ladies to their deliberations.

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Am I the only one that can't decide between unisex and female version of leather armor? I like the unisex on my elves...I mean look how dainty they are, more protection is great. But for some reason on my HNF and Brosca...I like the female version. Decisions Decisions

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I go unisex because I love the strap thingies.

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I think there was a thread awhile back commenting on how common boks seemed to be in Ferelden.  In any case, I play my Dalish as not being literate, at least until Alistair volunteers to teach her to read.  Gotta do something to bond over those long nights on watch in the middle of the woods.  At least, you know, until they're comfortable enough with each other to do other things to bond....

Heh, funny.  I've been writing Idun with the Dalish version of a university education, complete with foreign study program.  But I think I like your idea better.  LOL

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Sandtigress wrote...

I think there was a thread awhile back commenting on how common boks seemed to be in Ferelden.  In any case, I play my Dalish as not being literate, at least until Alistair volunteers to teach her to read.  Gotta do something to bond over those long nights on watch in the middle of the woods.  At least, you know, until they're comfortable enough with each other to do other things to bond....

Heh, funny.  I've been writing Idun with the Dalish version of a university education, complete with foreign study program.  But I think I like your idea better.  LOL

This one? It actually didn't occur to me to make any of my PCs illiterate...even my DC had Rica who Beraht taught how to read as part of her training as a noble hunter and I figured since she was so keen on her sister getting a better life that she'd take the time to teach her.

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Lady Jess wrote...

Am I the only one that can't decide between unisex and female version of leather armor? I like the unisex on my elves...I mean look how dainty they are, more protection is great. But for some reason on my HNF and Brosca...I like the female version. Decisions Decisions

I use mostly modded armor, but if I had to choose, I'd still go unisex.  Just looks more badass to me.

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Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
I think there was a thread awhile back commenting on how common boks seemed to be in Ferelden.  In any case, I play my Dalish as not being literate, at least until Alistair volunteers to teach her to read.  Gotta do something to bond over those long nights on watch in the middle of the woods.  At least, you know, until they're comfortable enough with each other to do other things to bond....

Heh, funny.  I've been writing Idun with the Dalish version of a university education, complete with foreign study program.  But I think I like your idea better.  LOL


My AU Tabris is illiterate, too. Maybe my DC would be able to write her name and read some words, thanks to Rica. Mages and nobles can read for obvious reasons. Haven't thought about the Dalish yet. A Dalish mage would probably be able to read.

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Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

I think there was a thread awhile back commenting on how common boks seemed to be in Ferelden.  In any case, I play my Dalish as not being literate, at least until Alistair volunteers to teach her to read.  Gotta do something to bond over those long nights on watch in the middle of the woods.  At least, you know, until they're comfortable enough with each other to do other things to bond....

Heh, funny.  I've been writing Idun with the Dalish version of a university education, complete with foreign study program.  But I think I like your idea better.  LOL


I imagine Lyra (my Dalish who may or may not be rerolled as a mage at this point since Jaina fizzled so I can do BM/AW from the start) knows how to read her language, not so much outside of that.  Although Idun is making me consider the rp value of a blood mage spirit healer which might be interesting.

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My AU Tabris is illiterate, too. Maybe my DC would be able to write her name and read some words, thanks to Rica. Mages and nobles can read for obvious reasons. Haven't thought about the Dalish yet. A Dalish mage would probably be able to read.

I've been writing it as a deliberate thing, that Idun's keeper was putting a lot of clan resources into educating her, in part because they had used her to make a bargain with Flemeth so she was a valuable asset for them, and she was also one of those who would trade with other races.

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Addai67 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

My AU Tabris is illiterate, too. Maybe my DC would be able to write her name and read some words, thanks to Rica. Mages and nobles can read for obvious reasons. Haven't thought about the Dalish yet. A Dalish mage would probably be able to read.

I've been writing it as a deliberate thing, that Idun's keeper was putting a lot of clan resources into educating her, in part because they had used her to make a bargain with Flemeth so she was a valuable asset for them, and she was also one of those who would trade with other races.

 What bargain? Flemeth teaches her blood magic in exchange for being able to ask for anything one day? And why would the clan agree? 

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Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

I think there was a thread awhile back commenting on how common boks seemed to be in Ferelden.  In any case, I play my Dalish as not being literate, at least until Alistair volunteers to teach her to read.  Gotta do something to bond over those long nights on watch in the middle of the woods.  At least, you know, until they're comfortable enough with each other to do other things to bond....

Heh, funny.  I've been writing Idun with the Dalish version of a university education, complete with foreign study program.  But I think I like your idea better.  LOL


I think it works well for Idun - she's kind of a Keeper's apprentice and well-educated and I can totally buy that.

I just like the idea of Alistair teaching my Dalish to read.  :P

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Addai67 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Am I the only one that can't decide between unisex and female version of leather armor? I like the unisex on my elves...I mean look how dainty they are, more protection is great. But for some reason on my HNF and Brosca...I like the female version. Decisions Decisions

I use mostly modded armor, but if I had to choose, I'd still go unisex.  Just looks more badass to me.

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If Alfstanna gets any more badass, the gallery is going to collapse under the sheer badassery.

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I like the black unisex best. I think it's the underleggings that bug me. They get baggy on unisex, I feel like my bloomers are hangin out.  On the newest black one that doesn't show as bad. Whats really awesome about the black one Seri made, is that the daggers from the Leliana rose ...(song of the rose I think) set are darker metal and match beautifully. I'm hoping someone comes out with a set of daggers in a similar tone with the voice of Velvet skin.

yes, my rogues collect weapons like leliana collects shoes >.<

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The leggings look baggy? Where? Only time I see baggy is when you put on medium armor.

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Lady Jess wrote...

I like the black unisex best. I think it's the underleggings that bug me. They get baggy on unisex, I feel like my bloomers are hangin out.  On the newest black one that doesn't show as bad. Whats really awesome about the black one Seri made, is that the daggers from the Leliana rose ...(song of the rose I think) set are darker metal and match beautifully. I'm hoping someone comes out with a set of daggers in a similar tone with the voice of Velvet skin.

yes, my rogues collect weapons like leliana collects shoes >.<

Ha ha, Eren stole the Forgotten daggers from Alistair who usually gets one plus a Forgotten longsword in early game because they go so well with the black Shadow Armor.  I haven't heard of those rose daggers??

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I like the unisex by far. It seemed to cheapen my female characters when their chests were exposed during battle and I found myself giving my rogues a few extra points in STR so they could wear medium armor instead, just to cover up better. Jarvia looks like a tough broad now. She comes across as Beraht's equal rather than some tart he's porking on the side.



I've never understood the dalish armor with the midriff exposed like that, but I figured it was part of their culture or they're so agile that less armor is better for movement, maybe. The men were still fully dressed though. How about in the next game, the men keep the leather skirt and chest straps and forgo the tunic? =p



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OK, I know this is probably going to start a thing but I am confused about something and would like answers. No personal feelings, but I honestly want to know. If Loghain did not plan to abandon Cailen, why did he poison Arl Eamon? This whole thing makes no sense to me.

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Gilsa wrote...

I like the unisex by far. It seemed to cheapen my female characters when their chests were exposed during battle and I found myself giving my rogues a few extra points in STR so they could wear medium armor instead, just to cover up better. Jarvia looks like a tough broad now. She comes across as Beraht's equal rather than some tart he's porking on the side.

I've never understood the dalish armor with the midriff exposed like that, but I figured it was part of their culture or they're so agile that less armor is better for movement, maybe. The men were still fully dressed though. How about in the next game, the men keep the leather skirt and chest straps and forgo the tunic? =p


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cmessaz wrote...

OK, I know this is probably going to start a thing but I am confused about something and would like answers. Now personal feelings, but I honestly want to know. If Loghain did not plan to abandon Cailen, why did he poison Arl Eamon? This whole thing makes no sense to me.

I think conventional wisdom on that is that if he didn't plan to abandon Cailan he was planning on confronting him after the battle and possibly calling a Landsmeet and he wanted all of Cailan's strongest allies out of the way. This would also explain why Loghain is surprised by Howe's massacre but so quickly allies with him and why Howe thought he could get away with it in the first place. Loghain sent Jowan to non-lethally poison Eamon and after everything was over and he got his own way he probably would have had an antidote snuck in or something. I'm not sure what Loghain wanted Howe to do - maybe a similar poison to Teyrn and possibly Teyrna Cousland and trust the kids were too inexperienced to mess up his plans - but the goal was likely just removing more of Cailan's support.

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cmessaz wrote...

OK, I know this is probably going to start a thing but I am confused about something and would like answers. Now personal feelings, but I honestly want to know. If Loghain did not plan to abandon Cailen, why did he poison Arl Eamon? This whole thing makes no sense to me.

As I understand it, Gaider said that he wanted Eamon sidelined though not killed until he could determine whether or not Cailan was a serious threat.  Since Eamon was a royalist with an Orlesian wife and so powerful, he would have made serious trouble.  If Cailan backed down on his plans to invite in Orlesian chevaliers, Eamon could later be revived.  I'm sure if Eamon had died, they just would have blamed it on the maleficar.

Jowan was such an idiot to think he wasn't going to end up the fall guy one way or another.

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Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

OK, I know this is probably going to start a thing but I am confused about something and would like answers. Now personal feelings, but I honestly want to know. If Loghain did not plan to abandon Cailen, why did he poison Arl Eamon? This whole thing makes no sense to me.

As I understand it, Gaider said that he wanted Eamon sidelined though not killed until he could determine whether or not Cailan was a serious threat.  Since Eamon was a royalist with an Orlesian wife and so powerful, he would have made serious trouble.  If Cailan backed down on his plans to invite in Orlesian chevaliers, Eamon could later be revived.  I'm sure if Eamon had died, they just would have blamed it on the maleficar.

Jowan was such an idiot to think he wasn't going to end up the fall guy one way or another.

So, how is this ok? I guess thats what I don't understand more than anything.

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cmessaz wrote...

OK, I know this is probably going to start a thing but I am confused about something and would like answers. No personal feelings, but I honestly want to know. If Loghain did not plan to abandon Cailen, why did he poison Arl Eamon? This whole thing makes no sense to me.


The only thing I can think of, IF he did NOT plan to kill Cailan, was that his paranoia about Orlais, combined with Eamon's marriage to an Orlesian woud be the only reason. I mean he's so far gone he'll call a COUSLAND a foreigner.

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cmessaz wrote...

OK, I know this is probably going to start a thing but I am confused about something and would like answers. No personal feelings, but I honestly want to know. If Loghain did not plan to abandon Cailen, why did he poison Arl Eamon? This whole thing makes no sense to me.


Search for Gaider's posts in the Loghain superthread from a month or two back, he goes into detail in it. Basically, Loghain was planning for both ways : Staying with Calian and fighting loyally against the Blight, or having to take some sort of drastic action to save Ferelden from Calian's follies. He wasn't exactly sure how he would end up dealing with Calian, he was just aware it might have to be done. It didn't take a seer to notice that Calian could be very catastrophic as a field general, especially with his overriding desire to engage an Archdemon and a horde of Darkspawn in a pitched battle.

Eamon was partly on Jowan. Eamon was just supposed to be taken out of the equation until it became clear that he either needed to be put down or allowed to get better, Loghain was just taking a piece off the board temporarily. Jowan allowing Connor to get ahold of books detailing Blood Magic rituals and also most likely misdosing made it a bit more lethal than he had originally planned.

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cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

OK, I know this is probably going to start a thing but I am confused about something and would like answers. Now personal feelings, but I honestly want to know. If Loghain did not plan to abandon Cailen, why did he poison Arl Eamon? This whole thing makes no sense to me.

As I understand it, Gaider said that he wanted Eamon sidelined though not killed until he could determine whether or not Cailan was a serious threat.  Since Eamon was a royalist with an Orlesian wife and so powerful, he would have made serious trouble.  If Cailan backed down on his plans to invite in Orlesian chevaliers, Eamon could later be revived.  I'm sure if Eamon had died, they just would have blamed it on the maleficar.

Jowan was such an idiot to think he wasn't going to end up the fall guy one way or another.

So, how is this ok? I guess thats what I don't understand more than anything.

It's not that what he was planning was okay (at least on the Eamon/possibly Cousland front) but it's certainly less serious than pre-meditated regicide and the fact that he took pains to leave Eamon alive instead of using a faster-acting poison that wouldn't give Connor time to get possessed is another 'okay, he's doing some really bad things but isn't a complete monster' indication.

Also, yeah Jowan was kind of a moron. I suppose to be fair that he wouldn't really have any real idea of how the world worked since he'd spent most of his life in the Tower but still.