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[nos_astra]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

Does he? It's a reasonable assumption - barring any abominations of legend swooping down to save you from the darkspawn-overrun Tower - that you died at Ostagar.

He knows you're a Cousland. He knows you were assigned to the tower. He knows two Wardens survived. Not too hard to guess who these Wardens are.

Modifié par klarabella, 24 juin 2010 - 09:22 .

[cmessaz]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

Does he? It's a reasonable assumption - barring any abominations of legend swooping down to save you from the darkspawn-overrun Tower - that you died at Ostagar.

True. But he still rewarded Howe for murder.

[Lady Jess]

Maria13 wrote...

But no-one can deny that he purposely blamed the wardens for his own FU at Ostagar and that alone in my book condemns him. Fair enough you screw up but to then attempt to blame others for your screw ups... Gone. Alistair can have you.

Oh dangit I forgot that part in my litany of crimes. Good call. And it annoys the crap out of me when people think I spare him ONLY because of Alistair. Such utter BS that.

[Sarah1281]

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

Does he? It's a reasonable assumption - barring any abominations of legend swooping down to save you from the darkspawn-overrun Tower - that you died at Ostagar.

Yes, he does. You talk to him before the battle and tell him, and he knows what happened to your family and EXACTLY who you are when he puts out the bounty.

He put a bounty on GWs in general not just you at that point in time. The bounty is already in place by the time you get to Lothering and he has no way of knowing that any GW survived at that point.

[cmessaz]

Lady Jess wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

But no-one can deny that he purposely blamed the wardens for his own FU at Ostagar and that alone in my book condemns him. Fair enough you screw up but to then attempt to blame others for your screw ups... Gone. Alistair can have you.

Oh dangit I forgot that part in my litany of crimes. Good call. And it annoys the crap out of me when people think I spare him ONLY because of Alistair. Such utter BS that.

My HNF tell Anora to ****** off and kill Loghain. My others not so much, they are willing to at least work with Anora.

[nos_astra]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

Does he? It's a reasonable assumption - barring any abominations of legend swooping down to save you from the darkspawn-overrun Tower - that you died at Ostagar.

Yes, he does. You talk to him before the battle and tell him, and he knows what happened to your family and EXACTLY who you are when he puts out the bounty.

He put a bounty on GWs in general not just you at that point in time. The bounty is already in place by the time you get to Lothering and he has no way of knowing that any GW survived at that point.

But the soldiers miraculously recognize you by your looks.

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

But no-one can deny that he purposely blamed the wardens for his own FU at Ostagar and that alone in my book condemns him. Fair enough you screw up but to then attempt to blame others for your screw ups... Gone. Alistair can have you.

Oh dangit I forgot that part in my litany of crimes. Good call. And it annoys the crap out of me when people think I spare him ONLY because of Alistair. Such utter BS that.

My HNF tell Anora to ****** off and kill Loghain. My others not so much, they are willing to at least work with Anora.

I totally meant don't spare him >.< It bugs me when people think the only reason I DON'T spare him is because ZOMGALISTAIR. So not the case.

[sylvanaerie]

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

Oh if Only the game allowed you to go apesh*t at Eamons when he marches in. After you've told Loghain at Ostagar, and that ratfaced ****** struts in calling himself TEYRN of Highever...bullsh@t Klauss that title is MINE!

No, he doesn't call HIMSELF Teryn, Loghain calls him (TO the PC's face) Teryn of Highever.  That's the first nail in his coffin for my HN's but its not the last.

[cmessaz]

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

But no-one can deny that he purposely blamed the wardens for his own FU at Ostagar and that alone in my book condemns him. Fair enough you screw up but to then attempt to blame others for your screw ups... Gone. Alistair can have you.

Oh dangit I forgot that part in my litany of crimes. Good call. And it annoys the crap out of me when people think I spare him ONLY because of Alistair. Such utter BS that.

My HNF tell Anora to ****** off and kill Loghain. My others not so much, they are willing to at least work with Anora.

I totally meant don't spare him >.< It bugs me when people think the only reason I DON'T spare him is because ZOMGALISTAIR. So not the case.

Yeah I know what you mean. Alistair is in no way the reason I don't spare Loghain. I do however spare him with my M!Cousland, but it's hard.

[Addai]

Swoo wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I know Gaider says that, and so you have to accept it, but it makes no sense that Loghain would not have also planned something for the Couslands.  In-game, certainly, my HN characters are convinced Loghain was in on it.  As is Bann Sighard, judging by his gossip in the tavern.

I don't remember Sighard or his gossip, I'll have to look that up. I take it that's the one guy who always votes for Loghain no matter what you do?

He's the guy whose son was tortured.  If you listen to him talking with the weasel Ceorlic, he says something like "it's too much coincidence... Eamon, Bryce..."

My sentiments exactly.

Then, if you approach him, he looks shocked and a little guilty to see that a Cousland has survived.  Guilty, because before his son returns and tells him otherwise, he's been supporting Loghain despite knowing what happened in Highever.  I swear, the nobles learned nothing in the rebellion- just as lily-livered as they were then.

[cmessaz]

klarabella wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

Does he? It's a reasonable assumption - barring any abominations of legend swooping down to save you from the darkspawn-overrun Tower - that you died at Ostagar.

Yes, he does. You talk to him before the battle and tell him, and he knows what happened to your family and EXACTLY who you are when he puts out the bounty.

He put a bounty on GWs in general not just you at that point in time. The bounty is already in place by the time you get to Lothering and he has no way of knowing that any GW survived at that point.

But the soldiers miraculously recognize you by your looks.

Right, I forgot about that.

[nos_astra]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Maria13 wrote...
But no-one can deny that he purposely blamed the wardens for his own FU at Ostagar and that alone in my book condemns him. Fair enough you screw up but to then attempt to blame others for your screw ups... Gone. Alistair can have you.

Oh dangit I forgot that part in my litany of crimes. Good call. And it annoys the crap out of me when people think I spare him ONLY because of Alistair. Such utter BS that.

My HNF tell Anora to ****** off and kill Loghain. My others not so much, they are willing to at least work with Anora.

I totally meant don't spare him >.< It bugs me when people think the only reason I DON'T spare him is because ZOMGALISTAIR. So not the case.

Yeah I know what you mean. Alistair is in no way the reason I don't spare Loghain. I do however spare him with my M!Cousland, but it's hard.

Funny, my main reason to spare Loghain is to ****** Alistair off.

Modifié par klarabella, 24 juin 2010 - 09:32 .

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

Does he? It's a reasonable assumption - barring any abominations of legend swooping down to save you from the darkspawn-overrun Tower - that you died at Ostagar.

Yes, he does. You talk to him before the battle and tell him, and he knows what happened to your family and EXACTLY who you are when he puts out the bounty.

He put a bounty on GWs in general not just you at that point in time. The bounty is already in place by the time you get to Lothering and he has no way of knowing that any GW survived at that point.

He knows the tower mission was the most likely to have survivors, he said himself it wasn't dangerous, and we know Duncan only sends Alistair on SAFE missions. Only two gray wardens were sent to the tower. He knows they arrived, because he SAW the beacon. He knows if any survived, it has to be those two, and he knows EXACTLY who they are. The soldiers in Lothering have your descriptions, as would Zevran when he tries to ambush you.

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Yeah I know what you mean. Alistair is in no way the reason I don't spare Loghain. I do however spare him with my M!Cousland, but it's hard.

The one time I did it was a HNF romancing Alistair. Ouch.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

Yeah I know what you mean. Alistair is in no way the reason I don't spare Loghain. I do however spare him with my M!Cousland, but it's hard.

Oh, but you know that you secretly hate Loghain because of your fangirl obsession with Alistair.  The internet psychologists say so!

[Lady Jess]

I now want to play my HNF...I guess I just needed to stir up my Loghain hate...lol thanks guys:P

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Yeah I know what you mean. Alistair is in no way the reason I don't spare Loghain. I do however spare him with my M!Cousland, but it's hard.

Oh, but you know that you secretly hate Loghain because of your fangirl obsession with Alistair.  The internet psychologists say so!

Oh ok. I guess I'll have to go along then

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

His alibi at that point is no doubt that he chooses to believe Howe's accusations that the Couslands were in cahoots with Orlais.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Yeah I know what you mean. Alistair is in no way the reason I don't spare Loghain. I do however spare him with my M!Cousland, but it's hard.

Oh, but you know that you secretly hate Loghain because of your fangirl obsession with Alistair.  The internet psychologists say so!

Oh ok. I guess I'll have to go along then

Of course.  The authorities have spoken. 

I won't deny that Alistair plays a role.  I mean, if I didn't think there were any consequences to sparing Loghain, I might do it just for the hell of it.  And I believe part of the reason I like Alistair so much is that I identify with the character, one of those ways being that I think Loghain needs to get the big-ass sword.

[Addai]

klarabella wrote...

Funny, my main reason to spare Loghain is to ****** Alistair off.

I'm sorry Alistair, I hate to exile you and all, but you're just too sexy when you're angry.  It has to be done.

[Swoo]

Maria13 wrote...

But no-one can deny that he purposely blamed the wardens for his own FU at Ostagar and that alone in my book condemns him. Fair enough you screw up but to then attempt to blame others for your screw ups... Gone. Alistair can have you.

Don't forget he has a pretty nasty history with the Wardens though, with the whole 'they worked with the Orleaseans and tried to kill me and my King' bit. I wouldn't trust them either, especially if they wanted to bring legions of elitist, rapist Chevalier's who had quite literally killed my puppy as a child with them.

cmessaz wrote...

I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

I see where you are coming from, and everytime I've played a Cousland Loghain dies just because I maintain a bit of a scorched earth policy to anything Howe related, but he really had no choice in the matter of rewarding Howe. If Howe went from friend to enemy there was absolutely no way Loghain had the power to keep himself and his daughter on the throne. Redcliffe was undecided, the Bannorn was split, and Howe had been busy gobbling up every other major power and assimilating it into his power base.


I guess the main point I try to make on Loghain is that I may not always agree with him, and out of all my playthrough's he's only lived once, but I completely see where he is coming from. I don't think he is a monster, I think he just completely screwed up in Jowan-esque proportions and held onto a runaway train as best he could.

[cmessaz]

I always spare Loghain with my male Cousland for the daddy-in-law stuff. But it's hard. It's good to know mine is not the only Cousland that goes on an anti-Howe rampage though. Cool!

[Lara Denton]

Addai67 wrote...

Oh, but you know that you secretly hate Loghain because of your fangirl obsession with Alistair.  The internet psychologists say so!

He, he. That's so cool, I have Alistair syndrome! Also, I am enjoying it way too much and I'm glad there is no cure. 

Modifié par laradenton, 24 juin 2010 - 09:53 .

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[Sarah1281]

klarabella wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
I agree. The fact that he rewards Howe for the deed pisses my nobles off pretty bad. Esp if you spoke to him in Ostagar and he knows there is a surviving Cousland.

Does he? It's a reasonable assumption - barring any abominations of legend swooping down to save you from the darkspawn-overrun Tower - that you died at Ostagar.

Yes, he does. You talk to him before the battle and tell him, and he knows what happened to your family and EXACTLY who you are when he puts out the bounty.

He put a bounty on GWs in general not just you at that point in time. The bounty is already in place by the time you get to Lothering and he has no way of knowing that any GW survived at that point.

But the soldiers miraculously recognize you by your looks.

And that annoys me because he has no possible way of knowing by that point. He passed through the town and left them behind while you were still recuperating. Perhaps he left a description of all the Wardens and only left three soldiers because it was a long shot that any of them made it out?