Axekix wrote...
Oh I forgot Shale too! He also let Howe live... even if he didn't know the details about what happened in highever... come on, the man is a rat
I 100 percent agree.Gilsa wrote...
I disagree. The point of buying a game is to win in the end. Nobody is going to buy a DLC if their PC gets beaten back. Alistair -- hardened or not -- was going to fall to the player in the end no matter what. People can analyze it all the want, but everyone relevant died in the DLC. Alistair just gets a lot of flak because he's the forum's favorite punching bag.Axekix wrote...
sylvanaerie wrote...
I didn't waste money on it. It was one giant homage to PC McAwesomesauce and that fact that unless he/she was there to fart sunshine out of their ass, the world went to hell in a handbasket.
I think it probably would have ended better with anyone but Alistair at the helm. I mean the more I think about it, it's not really that hard to believe. He relies on the PC for pretty much all of his development in DAO. Without that, well...
Well he gets the flak because he is the "leader" in the PC's absence. I do agree, whoever was in charge was probably going down, but I don't think that invalidates the analysis of Alistair's ability. Alistair pretty plainly states that he hates leading in DAO and feels completely unfit. Without the PC to show him the ropes I think the outcome isn't so far fetched.Gilsa wrote...
I disagree. The point of buying a game is to win in the end. Nobody is going to buy a DLC if their PC gets beaten back. Alistair -- hardened or not -- was going to fall to the player in the end no matter what. People can analyze it all the want, but everyone relevant died in the DLC. Alistair just gets a lot of flak because he's the forum's favorite punching bag.Axekix wrote...
sylvanaerie wrote...
I didn't waste money on it. It was one giant homage to PC McAwesomesauce and that fact that unless he/she was there to fart sunshine out of their ass, the world went to hell in a handbasket.
I think it probably would have ended better with anyone but Alistair at the helm. I mean the more I think about it, it's not really that hard to believe. He relies on the PC for pretty much all of his development in DAO. Without that, well...
Gilsa wrote...
I disagree. The point of buying a game is to win in the end. Nobody is going to buy a DLC if their PC gets beaten back. Alistair -- hardened or not -- was going to fall to the player in the end no matter what. People can analyze it all the want, but everyone relevant died in the DLC. Alistair just gets a lot of flak because he's the forum's favorite punching bag.Axekix wrote...
sylvanaerie wrote...
I didn't waste money on it. It was one giant homage to PC McAwesomesauce and that fact that unless he/she was there to fart sunshine out of their ass, the world went to hell in a handbasket.
I think it probably would have ended better with anyone but Alistair at the helm. I mean the more I think about it, it's not really that hard to believe. He relies on the PC for pretty much all of his development in DAO. Without that, well...
Axekix wrote...
I'm not so sure. Remeber he's pretty much a wreck at Flemeth's hut. Until the PC emerges at least. Morrigan is obviously a very strong willed woman... I see her overpowering him in a lot of the decisions they make tbh.
Modifié par janeym27, 24 juin 2010 - 11:58 .
tmp7704 wrote...
Worst case you can always mix-and-match themLady Jess wrote...
Am I the only one that can't decide between unisex and female version of leather armor? I like the unisex on my elves...I mean look how dainty they are, more protection is great. But for some reason on my HNF and Brosca...I like the female version. Decisions Decisions
The appearance of armour is defined by a file with .mmh extension. For light armours they go as follows:
xx_arm_lgtA_0.mmh -- the regular leather armour. xx can be "df" for dwarf females, "ef" for elf females and "hf" for human females
xx_arm_lgtB_0.mmh -- the dalish armour
xx_arm_lgtC_0.mmh -- the duster armour
xx_arm_lgtD_0.mmh -- studded leather
xx_arm_lgtE_0.mmh -- studded leather from the Awakening
if you want to keep some of the types/race combinations with their default look simply don't overwrite their .mmh files when you are unpacking the unisex version to the override.
The problem that I have with everyone (note: that is an expression and not literally everyone) calling/describing the PC as a Mary Sue since Alistair only failed because she wasn't there is that they're expecting him to be able to do it alone but reminding us that you have Alistair to help you. The idea that he should be able to do it alone and not us makes him come off as a Mary Sue.LadyDamodred wrote...
Axekix wrote...
Oh I forgot Shale too! He also let Howe live... even if he didn't know the details about what happened in highever... come on, the man is a rat
And an Alienage elf can choose to let Vaughn live. Point?
I think you are missing that what I am trying to say is that recruitment doesn't matter b/c there are so many PCs who do the same exact thing. At the end of the day, he still accomplished everything the PC did, and he did it alone.
He dealt with the treaties, yes. He didn't find the ashes, he didn't bolster his forces to the degree the PC is able to, and failed in the end. I wouldn't say he accomplished everything the PC is able to.LadyDamodred wrote...
Axekix wrote...
Oh I forgot Shale too! He also let Howe live... even if he didn't know the details about what happened in highever... come on, the man is a rat
And an Alienage elf can choose to let Vaughn live. Point?
I think you are missing that what I am trying to say is that recruitment doesn't matter b/c there are so many PCs who do the same exact thing. At the end of the day, he still accomplished everything the PC did, and he did it alone.
IIRC it's in Teagan's codex entry. He took over for Eamon since Alistair never found the ashes to heal him.cmessaz wrote...
May I ask how we know he didn't find the ashes? I can't find anything on it.
This is what the codex says about it:cmessaz wrote...
May I ask how we know he didn't find the ashes? I can't find anything on it.
Bann Teagan :Teagan Guerrin, the bann of Rainsfere, was the younger brother of Arl Eamon Guerrin. When Arl Eamon was incapacitated by poison, Teagan took over his duties.
Alistair was the long-secret son of the late King Maric Theirin, and the half brother of king Cailan, who perished on the field at Ostagar. Shortly after Cailan's death, Arl Eamon Guerrin revealed Alistair's parentage at a landsmeet. To placate the nobles and rescue Ferelden from the brink of civil war, Alistair became engaged to his brother's widow, Queen Anora. However, Alistair was also the last of Ferelden's Grey Wardens, and so before he could take the throne as the King of Ferelden, he and his allies set out to defeat the archdemon.
Modifié par Sarah1281, 25 juin 2010 - 12:05 .
Oh. So sh!it doesn't make any sense. I really don't care I consider it just a little thing like this other content is. I sort of wished I hadn't spent the money, but I had the points just laying around. I won't go out of my way for this new one thats for sure.Sarah1281 wrote...
This is what the codex says about it:cmessaz wrote...
May I ask how we know he didn't find the ashes? I can't find anything on it.Bann Teagan :Teagan Guerrin, the bann of Rainsfere, was the younger brother of Arl Eamon Guerrin. When Arl Eamon was incapacitated by poison, Teagan took over his duties.
Alistair was the long-secret son of the late King Maric Theirin, and the half brother of king Cailan, who perished on the field at Ostagar. Shortly after Cailan's death, Arl Eamon Guerrin revealed Alistair's parentage at a landsmeet. To placate the nobles and rescue Ferelden from the brink of civil war, Alistair became engaged to his brother's widow, Queen Anora. However, Alistair was also the last of Ferelden's Grey Wardens, and so before he could take the throne as the King of Ferelden, he and his allies set out to defeat the archdemon.
It isn't much but since Teagan takes over Eamon's duties (and it says shortly after and not a year later) I think it indicates that the Landsmeet was first and then Eamon became incapacitated. Since Eamon was no longer necessary and Alistair had a Blight to deal with he didn't waste time chasing legends.
Axekix wrote...
He dealt with the treaties, yes. He didn't find the ashes, he didn't bolster his forces to the degree the PC is able to, and failed in the end. I wouldn't say he accomplished everything the PC is able to.LadyDamodred wrote...
Axekix wrote...
Oh I forgot Shale too! He also let Howe live... even if he didn't know the details about what happened in highever... come on, the man is a rat
And an Alienage elf can choose to let Vaughn live. Point?
I think you are missing that what I am trying to say is that recruitment doesn't matter b/c there are so many PCs who do the same exact thing. At the end of the day, he still accomplished everything the PC did, and he did it alone.
Modifié par LadyDamodred, 25 juin 2010 - 12:10 .
Alistair's codex says that Eamon revealed his parentage to the Landsmeet. I think on his own Alistair ran straight to Redcliffe, Eamon called a Landsmeet, Alistair agreed to marry Anora, who knows what happened with Loghain, then Eamon fell ill.Ok, we find the ashes in order to cure Eamon so we can get his troops and the whole Landsmeet deal. Apparently, even without Eamon, Alistair is able to become king. Do we get Eamon's troops? I don't recall, but if Teagan took over, I don't see why he would deny Alistair Eamon's forces.
Modifié par Sarah1281, 25 juin 2010 - 12:12 .
Sarah1281 wrote...
Alistair's codex says that Eamon revealed his parentage to the Landsmeet. I think on his own Alistair ran straight to Redcliffe, Eamon called a Landsmeet, Alistair agreed to marry Anora, who knows what happened with Loghain, then Eamon fell ill.Ok, we find the ashes in order to cure Eamon so we can get his troops and the whole Landsmeet deal. Apparently, even without Eamon, Alistair is able to become king. Do we get Eamon's troops? I don't recall, but if Teagan took over, I don't see why he would deny Alistair Eamon's forces.
What happened to Loghain?Sarah1281 wrote...
Alistair's codex says that Eamon revealed his parentage to the Landsmeet. I think on his own Alistair ran straight to Redcliffe, Eamon called a Landsmeet, Alistair agreed to marry Anora, who knows what happened with Loghain, then Eamon fell ill.Ok, we find the ashes in order to cure Eamon so we can get his troops and the whole Landsmeet deal. Apparently, even without Eamon, Alistair is able to become king. Do we get Eamon's troops? I don't recall, but if Teagan took over, I don't see why he would deny Alistair Eamon's forces.
Edit: Maybe he thought Alistair was weak enough to control (he doesn't seem to think very highly of him) and so kept poisoning Eamon so he wouldn't be able to play the puppeteer?
cmessaz wrote...
What happened to Loghain?Sarah1281 wrote...
Alistair's codex says that Eamon revealed his parentage to the Landsmeet. I think on his own Alistair ran straight to Redcliffe, Eamon called a Landsmeet, Alistair agreed to marry Anora, who knows what happened with Loghain, then Eamon fell ill.Ok, we find the ashes in order to cure Eamon so we can get his troops and the whole Landsmeet deal. Apparently, even without Eamon, Alistair is able to become king. Do we get Eamon's troops? I don't recall, but if Teagan took over, I don't see why he would deny Alistair Eamon's forces.
Edit: Maybe he thought Alistair was weak enough to control (he doesn't seem to think very highly of him) and so kept poisoning Eamon so he wouldn't be able to play the puppeteer?
Lady Jess wrote...
cmessaz wrote...
What happened to Loghain?Sarah1281 wrote...
Alistair's codex says that Eamon revealed his parentage to the Landsmeet. I think on his own Alistair ran straight to Redcliffe, Eamon called a Landsmeet, Alistair agreed to marry Anora, who knows what happened with Loghain, then Eamon fell ill.Ok, we find the ashes in order to cure Eamon so we can get his troops and the whole Landsmeet deal. Apparently, even without Eamon, Alistair is able to become king. Do we get Eamon's troops? I don't recall, but if Teagan took over, I don't see why he would deny Alistair Eamon's forces.
Edit: Maybe he thought Alistair was weak enough to control (he doesn't seem to think very highly of him) and so kept poisoning Eamon so he wouldn't be able to play the puppeteer?
He went insane, fell in love with Wynne, and they ran off to make genlock babies.
I don't think it's mentioned. Maybe in-game he charged at Ostagar and got himself killed. It would also explain why Eamon can call the Landsmeet so soon: there's no one really to oppose him and though Anora wants the throne too they quickly agree to share it.cmessaz wrote...
What happened to Loghain?Sarah1281 wrote...
Alistair's codex says that Eamon revealed his parentage to the Landsmeet. I think on his own Alistair ran straight to Redcliffe, Eamon called a Landsmeet, Alistair agreed to marry Anora, who knows what happened with Loghain, then Eamon fell ill.Ok, we find the ashes in order to cure Eamon so we can get his troops and the whole Landsmeet deal. Apparently, even without Eamon, Alistair is able to become king. Do we get Eamon's troops? I don't recall, but if Teagan took over, I don't see why he would deny Alistair Eamon's forces.
Edit: Maybe he thought Alistair was weak enough to control (he doesn't seem to think very highly of him) and so kept poisoning Eamon so he wouldn't be able to play the puppeteer?
True.LadyDamodred wrote...
Ok, we find the ashes in order to cure Eamon so we can get his troops and the whole Landsmeet deal. Apparently, even without Eamon, Alistair is able to become king. Do we get Eamon's troops? I don't recall, but if Teagan took over, I don't see why he would deny Alistair Eamon's forces.
Hmm I could've sworn there was a more definitive entry about the ashes. I'll go back and look later. Still his entry and the lack of Eamon anywhere in DC is a fair indication of what happened, no?Okay, now that we have the codexes, that answers that. And they do make sense. In the original game, Teagan took over when Eamon was poisoned. Unless I've msised something...
I would disagree if your goal is to amass an army to fight the blight. Take the DAO version of the denerim Siege for example. You take up to 3 party members with you and leave the rest to hold the gates. Alistair had no one holding the gates other than Howe/Cauthrien, and the people he didn't recruit were spread out throughout the city instead of fighting together at any one choke point.As far as recruiting companions... That's not a barometer of success because not all PCs recruit every companion. *shrugs*
AU yes. I'm simply saying I don't think the characterizations were that far off, minus Morrigan's. Her involvement doesn't make much sense.As for failing at the end, yes, that is where he failed, but...he sort of had to? I mean, we were supposed to win the DLC, right? That's why, in the end, this discussion is moot. It is complete AU and has no bearing on the actual game or characters.
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