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[Lara Denton]

Gilsa wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Here is a quick question if the PC spared Loghain do you think Alistair would ever get over it:?
Or for very specific ones:
As a Friend
As a lover
As a former lover

What do you think Alistair would think of them after a while?

I think it depends. When Alistair leaves (isn't made king or executed) there's a lot left undiscussed. His reaction is so incredibly kneejerk and he regrets what he does so much, somewhere down the road it might be possible to meet again and discuss it when tensions aren't so high and emotions have faded a bit. I don't know how likely completely restoring the relationship, at any level, would be but stranger things have happened.

I also think that if you marry him to Anora, spare Loghain and do the ritual, you have f*cked him up for good and that would be the most unforgiving Alistair. He's in a loveless marriage to a woman who hero worships the man who caused him to lose his love and his place in the Wardens (in his opinion). That would have to be a miserable existence. 

This was my canon ending from my first playthrough and I tormented myself over this. I wanted to know if I could ever find drunk Alistair again and make amends with him. I wanted to know if drunk Alistair would regret his decision and try to rejoin the Grey Wardens again. Every time there was a Bioware thread that said, "Hey, what would you like to see in our future game?" I always wanted to know if the drunk Alistair story was going to continue.

Enough time has passed that I'm over it. Based on the comments I see here and there from writers, I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed and any follow-up with drunk Alistair is next to nil. I don't know that Alistair would be willing to start up a romance again, but he may forgive and possibly be friends again. At this point, I think we just have to fill in the blanks on what we think happens with drunk Alistair.

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

[Lady Jess]

laradenton wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Here is a quick question if the PC spared Loghain do you think Alistair would ever get over it:?
Or for very specific ones:
As a Friend
As a lover
As a former lover

What do you think Alistair would think of them after a while?

I think it depends. When Alistair leaves (isn't made king or executed) there's a lot left undiscussed. His reaction is so incredibly kneejerk and he regrets what he does so much, somewhere down the road it might be possible to meet again and discuss it when tensions aren't so high and emotions have faded a bit. I don't know how likely completely restoring the relationship, at any level, would be but stranger things have happened.

I also think that if you marry him to Anora, spare Loghain and do the ritual, you have f*cked him up for good and that would be the most unforgiving Alistair. He's in a loveless marriage to a woman who hero worships the man who caused him to lose his love and his place in the Wardens (in his opinion). That would have to be a miserable existence. 

This was my canon ending from my first playthrough and I tormented myself over this. I wanted to know if I could ever find drunk Alistair again and make amends with him. I wanted to know if drunk Alistair would regret his decision and try to rejoin the Grey Wardens again. Every time there was a Bioware thread that said, "Hey, what would you like to see in our future game?" I always wanted to know if the drunk Alistair story was going to continue.

Enough time has passed that I'm over it. Based on the comments I see here and there from writers, I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed and any follow-up with drunk Alistair is next to nil. I don't know that Alistair would be willing to start up a romance again, but he may forgive and possibly be friends again. At this point, I think we just have to fill in the blanks on what we think happens with drunk Alistair.

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

The I Recommend...The Hunt

[Sarah1281]

laradenton wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Here is a quick question if the PC spared Loghain do you think Alistair would ever get over it:?
Or for very specific ones:
As a Friend
As a lover
As a former lover

What do you think Alistair would think of them after a while?

I think it depends. When Alistair leaves (isn't made king or executed) there's a lot left undiscussed. His reaction is so incredibly kneejerk and he regrets what he does so much, somewhere down the road it might be possible to meet again and discuss it when tensions aren't so high and emotions have faded a bit. I don't know how likely completely restoring the relationship, at any level, would be but stranger things have happened.

I also think that if you marry him to Anora, spare Loghain and do the ritual, you have f*cked him up for good and that would be the most unforgiving Alistair. He's in a loveless marriage to a woman who hero worships the man who caused him to lose his love and his place in the Wardens (in his opinion). That would have to be a miserable existence. 

This was my canon ending from my first playthrough and I tormented myself over this. I wanted to know if I could ever find drunk Alistair again and make amends with him. I wanted to know if drunk Alistair would regret his decision and try to rejoin the Grey Wardens again. Every time there was a Bioware thread that said, "Hey, what would you like to see in our future game?" I always wanted to know if the drunk Alistair story was going to continue.

Enough time has passed that I'm over it. Based on the comments I see here and there from writers, I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed and any follow-up with drunk Alistair is next to nil. I don't know that Alistair would be willing to start up a romance again, but he may forgive and possibly be friends again. At this point, I think we just have to fill in the blanks on what we think happens with drunk Alistair.

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

Well Alistair's a set character pretty much and he will either be able to move past what you do or he won't. Whether you can forgive him for leaving or even blame him will vary from person to person and perhaps even from playthrough to playthrough. We know how pissed Alistair is and the Warden might not even care that he's leaving or she could want to kill him where he stands. She might not feel she has anything to apologize for in which case she won't but, again, there are too many RP choices. Since Alistair does come to regret his choice at least as far as bailing on the Blight then there's the quesiton of what, if anything, he's going to do about it and since we know that he is sorry for leaving will he tell the PC or anyone else this and will be be able to forgive them. If so, could he have any sort of relationship with them or does he need to be far away from them? 

[SurelyForth]

Sandtigress wrote...

Oh come on...isn't that my first post in hours?  Celebratory Ron/Alistair please, because the thesis is done and video editing is done and I can go home and eat and sleep now! 

And especially for you.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 25 juin 2010 - 04:04 .

[Lara Denton]

Lady Jess wrote...

The I Recommend...The Hunt

Um... Which version is told there? Where the PC regrets or not?

[Lady Jess]

laradenton wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

The I Recommend...The Hunt

Um... Which version is told there? Where the PC regrets or not?

Both actually. It's very well done, and gives both sides a great view. There's another I'm reading but it's not done yet and I'm on the edge of my seat to see how it goes *looks@Surely:P

[LadyDamodred]

SurelyForth wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Have I lost my mind, or is that not Brand's face?  *tilts head*  Maybe it's just the angle?

That's Brand's face, she just looks weird without Morrigan hair. I used to have Leliana hair on her (I call that version Proto-Brand) and it makes a difference:




@Jess: This is the look I get for interrupting Branders time:

Mmmm, yes.  And she does look much different head on vs angle.  That must've been what was screwing me up.  XD

[mellifera]

So cute :3

[Gilsa]

laradenton wrote...

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

I do see comments that people expect apologies from Alistair so that interpretation is understandable. In my game, I owe Alistair an apology for not having his back. That's what I meant about finding him and making amends. I don't know why people expect Alistair to apologize -- some view his actions as treason or desertation in a time of war.

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

laradenton wrote...

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

I do see comments that people expect apologies from Alistair so that interpretation is understandable. In my game, I owe Alistair an apology for not having his back. That's what I meant about finding him and making amends. I don't know why people expect Alistair to apologize -- some view his actions as treason or desertation in a time of war.

If Alistair ever walked out on me instead of just marrying Anora then I would probably want an apology at some point. I know he feels betrayed, I know many people think it is a betrayal, but that's not the problem. I'd want an apology for him leaving during a Blight.

People say 'if he were so important you shouldn't have chosen Loghain instead' but he shouldn't have made me choose. I understand why he did it but it wasn't right and therefore warrants an apology. You could argue that the PC needs to apolgoize to him as well but I don't buy that you need to apologize for not killing Loghain and inducting him into the Wardens but he doesn't need to apologize for leaving and not coming back. And actually, all I would really feel the need to apologize for was hurting him because I still wouldn't feel that sparing Loghain was a bad decision and it really paid off.

[Lara Denton]

Gilsa wrote...

laradenton wrote...

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

I do see comments that people expect apologies from Alistair so that interpretation is understandable. In my game, I owe Alistair an apology for not having his back. That's what I meant about finding him and making amends. I don't know why people expect Alistair to apologize -- some view his actions as treason or desertation in a time of war.

Yeah, that's what I meant. A PC who would end up regretting that decision without expecting Alistair to regret his.

[Sarah1281]

laradenton wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

laradenton wrote...

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

I do see comments that people expect apologies from Alistair so that interpretation is understandable. In my game, I owe Alistair an apology for not having his back. That's what I meant about finding him and making amends. I don't know why people expect Alistair to apologize -- some view his actions as treason or desertation in a time of war.

Yeah, that's what I meant. A PC who would end up regretting that decision without expecting Alistair to regret his.

 But why shouldn't he regret it? Disregarding the fact that it's Word of God that Alistair does regret it, he leaves during a Blight. You may betray and hurt one person by not killing Loghain and making him a Warden but Alistair leaves all of Ferelden to its fate. You don't think that he has anything to regret? 

[LadyDamodred]

Sarah1281 wrote...
 If Alistair ever walked out on me instead of just marrying Anora then I would probably want an apology at some point. I know he feels betrayed, I know many people think it is a betrayal, but that's not the problem. I'd want an apology for him leaving during a Blight.

People say 'if he were so important you shouldn't have chosen Loghain instead' but he shouldn't have made me choose. I understand why he did it but it wasn't right and therefore warrants an apology. You could argue that the PC needs to apolgoize to him as well but I don't buy that you need to apologize for not killing Loghain and inducting him into the Wardens but he doesn't need to apologize for leaving and not coming back. And actually, all I would really feel the need to apologize for was hurting him because I still wouldn't feel that sparing Loghain was a bad decision and it really paid off.

Don't think you'd ever get one though, especially if you started off with that attitude.

And if you're not sorry, don't apologize, but don't expect him to somehow do something you wouldn't.  *shrugs*

[mellifera]

[Sarah1281]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 If Alistair ever walked out on me instead of just marrying Anora then I would probably want an apology at some point. I know he feels betrayed, I know many people think it is a betrayal, but that's not the problem. I'd want an apology for him leaving during a Blight.

People say 'if he were so important you shouldn't have chosen Loghain instead' but he shouldn't have made me choose. I understand why he did it but it wasn't right and therefore warrants an apology. You could argue that the PC needs to apolgoize to him as well but I don't buy that you need to apologize for not killing Loghain and inducting him into the Wardens but he doesn't need to apologize for leaving and not coming back. And actually, all I would really feel the need to apologize for was hurting him because I still wouldn't feel that sparing Loghain was a bad decision and it really paid off.

Don't think you'd ever get one though, especially if you started off with that attitude.

And if you're not sorry, don't apologize, but don't expect him to somehow do something you wouldn't.  *shrugs*

I would be sorry that I hurt him and that would be what I would apologize for. I'm not expecting an apology under those circumstances but that doesn't mean I can't want one.

[phaonica]

Sarah1281 wrote...

If Alistair ever walked out on me instead of just marrying Anora then I would probably want an apology at some point. I know he feels betrayed, I know many people think it is a betrayal, but that's not the problem. I'd want an apology for him leaving during a Blight.

People say 'if he were so important you shouldn't have chosen Loghain instead' but he shouldn't have made me choose. I understand why he did it but it wasn't right and therefore warrants an apology. You could argue that the PC needs to apolgoize to him as well but I don't buy that you need to apologize for not killing Loghain and inducting him into the Wardens but he doesn't need to apologize for leaving and not coming back. And actually, all I would really feel the need to apologize for was hurting him because I still wouldn't feel that sparing Loghain was a bad decision and it really paid off.

My character agrees with yours, Sarah.

[Lara Denton]

Sarah1281 wrote...

laradenton wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

laradenton wrote...

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

I do see comments that people expect apologies from Alistair so that interpretation is understandable. In my game, I owe Alistair an apology for not having his back. That's what I meant about finding him and making amends. I don't know why people expect Alistair to apologize -- some view his actions as treason or desertation in a time of war.

Yeah, that's what I meant. A PC who would end up regretting that decision without expecting Alistair to regret his.

 But why shouldn't he regret it? Disregarding the fact that it's Word of God that Alistair does regret it, he leaves during a Blight. You may betray and hurt one person by not killing Loghain and making him a Warden but Alistair leaves all of Ferelden to its fate. You don't think that he has anything to regret? 

So your (PC's - I'm not referring to you as a person, let's be clear ) feelings count more than anything else? So do your opinions? Wouldn't you listen to someone very close to you? Either a friend or a lover? Wouldn't that person's reaction influence you? People, even the pragmatic ones, have soft spots. Especially when it involves hurting someone you care about.

[Sarah1281]

phaonica wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

If Alistair ever walked out on me instead of just marrying Anora then I would probably want an apology at some point. I know he feels betrayed, I know many people think it is a betrayal, but that's not the problem. I'd want an apology for him leaving during a Blight.

People say 'if he were so important you shouldn't have chosen Loghain instead' but he shouldn't have made me choose. I understand why he did it but it wasn't right and therefore warrants an apology. You could argue that the PC needs to apolgoize to him as well but I don't buy that you need to apologize for not killing Loghain and inducting him into the Wardens but he doesn't need to apologize for leaving and not coming back. And actually, all I would really feel the need to apologize for was hurting him because I still wouldn't feel that sparing Loghain was a bad decision and it really paid off.

My character agrees with yours, Sarah.

Really? 

*blinks*

 That's new.

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Oh come on...isn't that my first post in hours?  Celebratory Ron/Alistair please, because the thesis is done and video editing is done and I can go home and eat and sleep now! 

And especially for you.

Mmmmmmmmmmm......

:wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

[Giggles_Manically]

laradenton wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

laradenton wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

laradenton wrote...

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

I do see comments that people expect apologies from Alistair so that interpretation is understandable. In my game, I owe Alistair an apology for not having his back. That's what I meant about finding him and making amends. I don't know why people expect Alistair to apologize -- some view his actions as treason or desertation in a time of war.

Yeah, that's what I meant. A PC who would end up regretting that decision without expecting Alistair to regret his.

 But why shouldn't he regret it? Disregarding the fact that it's Word of God that Alistair does regret it, he leaves during a Blight. You may betray and hurt one person by not killing Loghain and making him a Warden but Alistair leaves all of Ferelden to its fate. You don't think that he has anything to regret? 

So your (PC's - I'm not referring to you as a person, let's be clear ) feelings count more than anything else? So do your opinions? Wouldn't you listen to someone very close to you? Either a friend or a lover? Wouldn't that person's reaction influence you? People, even the pragmatic ones, have soft spots. Especially when it involves hurting someone you care about.

During a blight a persons feelings dont count, ending the blight does. In  real life, as well as 9/10 of my PC's wont kill an defenceless person who surrendered simply because someone else demands them to do it.

[Sarah1281]

laradenton wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

laradenton wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

laradenton wrote...

It is more of a rhetorical question, because I often read opinions like yours: why the drunken Alistair must be the one making an apology? I would like to see a story where the Warden goes just to say "I'm sorry". I don't get it why the PC is always right and Alistair must be the one regretting his decision. Why not the PC?

I do see comments that people expect apologies from Alistair so that interpretation is understandable. In my game, I owe Alistair an apology for not having his back. That's what I meant about finding him and making amends. I don't know why people expect Alistair to apologize -- some view his actions as treason or desertation in a time of war.

Yeah, that's what I meant. A PC who would end up regretting that decision without expecting Alistair to regret his.

 But why shouldn't he regret it? Disregarding the fact that it's Word of God that Alistair does regret it, he leaves during a Blight. You may betray and hurt one person by not killing Loghain and making him a Warden but Alistair leaves all of Ferelden to its fate. You don't think that he has anything to regret? 

So your (PC's - I'm not referring to you as a person, let's be clear ) feelings count more than anything else? So do your opinions? Wouldn't you listen to someone very close to you? Either a friend or a lover? Wouldn't that person's reaction influence you? People, even the pragmatic ones, have soft spots. Especially when it involves hurting someone you care about.

I'm not denying that Alistair is deeply hurt and feels incredibly betrayed and that he's not thinking clearly when he decides to leave. I also know that he comes to regret it. Still, IRL when people do things in the heat of the moment that, looking back, were not good choices then it isn't out of line to want an apology. Alistair can still want one from the PC while owing her one of his own. Maybe not even owing her but Eamon, the companions, Duncan, all of Ferelden...he left and he needs to apologize to someone. Not everyone chose to let Loghain live, after all, but he chose to not do anything to stop them all from dying.

[LadyDamodred]

Sarah1281 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 If Alistair ever walked out on me instead of just marrying Anora then I would probably want an apology at some point. I know he feels betrayed, I know many people think it is a betrayal, but that's not the problem. I'd want an apology for him leaving during a Blight.

People say 'if he were so important you shouldn't have chosen Loghain instead' but he shouldn't have made me choose. I understand why he did it but it wasn't right and therefore warrants an apology. You could argue that the PC needs to apolgoize to him as well but I don't buy that you need to apologize for not killing Loghain and inducting him into the Wardens but he doesn't need to apologize for leaving and not coming back. And actually, all I would really feel the need to apologize for was hurting him because I still wouldn't feel that sparing Loghain was a bad decision and it really paid off.

Don't think you'd ever get one though, especially if you started off with that attitude.

And if you're not sorry, don't apologize, but don't expect him to somehow do something you wouldn't.  *shrugs*

I would be sorry that I hurt him and that would be what I would apologize for. I'm not expecting an apology under those circumstances but that doesn't mean I can't want one.

Ah, see, if I say I want an apology, it means I expect one.  Might be just me though.

I tend to get a little defensive on this b/c I know what it's like to get stabbed in the back by your best friend, for them to feel like they haven't really done anything wrong and then to expect an apology from you because you acted with fury.  Oddly enough, I did not feel too kindly disposed towards said individual.  My response to an apology request was "F*CK YOU!" 

[phaonica]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Really? 

*blinks*

 That's new.

Completely agree. I should let you know that more often, really.

[Gilsa]

I do think Alistair regrets leaving (DG backed this up in one of those Alistair threads) once he realizes the magnitude of his decision. I hope that Alistair can atone for this by wanting to rejoin the Grey Wardens again. I do think he'd apologize for that. Maybe not. Depends on how DG views his character. I don't think we'll get any closure on this subject though.

[Sarah1281]

phaonica wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Really? 

*blinks*

 That's new.

Completely agree. I should let you know that more often, really.

I may go into shock...