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[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

It's pretty open to interpretation considering it never says she believes one way or the other but personally I find it hard to believe that someone that has suffered so much would be a devote Andrastian.  Perhaps that's just my own personal belives clouding my judgement though.

Also, I don't recall when it was said that the amulet was an old artifact.  I recall there being an opitions that the PC can say to Alistair that these things are sold on every street corner.

If you ask Alistair if he's sure it's his mother's amulet, he'll tell you that it's very old and unique.  I don't think Fiona needs to be a devoted Andrastian to carry an heirloom.  The elves seem to be able to separate out Andraste herself from the Chantry (see, Velanna's comments at the Andraste statue).  Andraste was a slave who tried to free herself and was betrayed and burnt at the stake along with Shartan.  It's a very elven story, in a way, and something that especially those who have suffered could identify with.

The amulet may even be Maric's, and he had them tell Alistair that it was his mother's in order to keep his distance.

[Addai]

Charsen wrote...

PS I am adding the gate kisses in for all companions currently.

[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

Ha! I finally have a character head icon.

[Charsen]

i am just using her latest party_events. i will put a placeholder kiss in for now, and then upgrade the kisses to the Zevran styles since you guys are pretty anxious about them and i should hurry. XD

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
Personally I enjoy the all out carnage that ensues (its a lot more fun) and seeing some of the banns who support you fighting with you. Far more dramatic than just the duel.  Sometimes when my PC wins the Landsmeet I just have them fight anyway because well I find it a lot more exciting and dramatic.  Not good political behavior but sometimes its just more fun to take the rebel option. Then I have Ali duel Loghain and move on in the game.

I agree, the rumble is fun.  I love looking over and seeing Alfstanna and Bryland going to town on Loghain's guards.

My Dalish did this.  I won the Landsmeet but I RPed those men behind Loghain as about to break out in carnage and not being very knowledgeable on shem politics she responded in the only way she knew shems would listen.  And there ARE two dialog options, one with just a duel and another with open warfare in the Landsmeet. YOU direct what Loghain's actions are.  He might just agree to the duel or this particular Loghain might try to fight his way out of this decision.  Loghain is no saint but if the Landsmeet goes against him I can see him trying to fight his way out with his back to the wall (as Eamon will) this is not good political behavior admittedly but I can definitely see it when survival instincts kick in and blood is high.

Otherwise I really don't have much RP reason to do it on say my HN characters they ARE more politically savvy then my lil Dalish.  I always go the duel (except the one time I wanted to see what Anora says when you don't support her.) then I lost and Eamon rebelled against the Landsmeet.

[cmessaz]

Charsen wrote...

i am just using her latest party_events. i will put a placeholder kiss in for now, and then upgrade the kisses to the Zevran styles since you guys are pretty anxious about them and i should hurry. XD

Yeah I downloaded that and was looking at it last night. As long as I do not mess with party_events, my mod should be compatible with your kisses, right?

Modifié par cmessaz, 18 avril 2010 - 03:58 .

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

*reviews toolset*

Loghain: "How dare you judge me!"
Cutscene: Loghain's soldiers burst into the chamber.

*looks slyly at KoP* Oh my. It appears that the PC must be the honorable one and prevent violence. Should you respond to the soldier's bursting in, Loghain fights you.

That doesn't even show in-game. The soldiers bursting in. And I do not remember an option to respond to the soldier's bursting in as I cna't even see them.

And it's irrelevent. Loghain never claimed he cared about the Landsmeet, dominated by nobles who did nothing while he was the one who fought the Orlesians. He wasn't a hypocrit.

Eamon on the otherhand says that one must not sacrifice what is "good" about Ferelden in order to save it. And yet he does just that. So he is a hypocrit.

Well, there's the whole 'How dare you judge me!" bit.  Yes, Loghain, they judging you.  That's sort of the point of this whole thing.  He feels he is above the Landsmeet and their decision, but will totally take them if they decide with him.  That is also hypocrisy.  And I will always see what Loghain does throughout the game as sacrificing far more about what is good about Ferelden than what Eamon does at the Landsmeet.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That doesn't even show in-game. The soldiers bursting in. And I do not remember an option to respond to the soldier's bursting in as I cna't even see them.

You do see Loghain's guards drawing their weapons if Loghain loses the LM.

And it's irrelevent. Loghain never claimed he cared about the Landsmeet, dominated by nobles who did nothing while he was the one who fought the Orlesians. He wasn't a hypocrit.

No, he was a tyrant. 

Which is also why Eamon won't submit to him regardless.  When Eamon first proposes calling a Landsmeet, he says he might be forced to support Loghain as regent.  By the time we actually get there, it simply isn't an option.  Call that hypocrisy if you will, but Loghain is going to be brought down by hook or crook.

[Godak]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Loghain became regent from the moment the Landsmeet voted for him, he had that authority, on behalf of the Queen. The Landsmeet said nothing to oppose Loghain, neither did Anora, so they approved. It was his right.
So Eamon did violently reject the Landsmeet's decision and basically did a Coup d'Etat.

 

Loghain made himself regent, and the Bannorn revolted almost immediately. At that time, Eamon was still all, ya know...dying.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Well, there's the whole 'How dare you judge me!" bit.  Yes, Loghain, they judging you.  That's sort of the point of this whole thing.  He feels he is above the Landsmeet and their decision, but will totally take them if they decide with him.  That is also hypocrisy.  And I will always see what Loghain does throughout the game as sacrificing far more about what is good about Ferelden than what Eamon does at the Landsmeet.

Irrelevent. Loghain never claimed he cared about it and he always said he would do anything to save his homeland. Eamon on the otherhand criticizes him for betraying Ferelden's traditions, which he shows himself willing to do.

The hypocracy of one (for the sake of argument) does not negate the hypocracy of another.

I am talkign about Eamon here, not Loghain. Why do people always revert back to Loghain?
Eamon is willing to overthrow the Landsmeet my force. After expressing his disgust at Loghain for betraying those same traditions. That is all.
It's irrelevent what Loghain did, as he too can justify what Eamon did with the same logic (I had no choice).

[sylvanaerie]

Godak wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Loghain became regent from the moment the Landsmeet voted for him, he had that authority, on behalf of the Queen. The Landsmeet said nothing to oppose Loghain, neither did Anora, so they approved. It was his right.
So Eamon did violently reject the Landsmeet's decision and basically did a Coup d'Etat.

 

Loghain made himself regent, and the Bannorn revolted almost immediately. At that time, Eamon was still all, ya know...dying.

Umm yea this, I dont' remember them actually making him regent.  He kinda just grabbed the throne and the bannorn rebelled.  I guess one can say it happened offcamera but every conversation in the game says "he declared himself regent" not "he was appointed"

[KnightofPhoenix]

Godak wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Loghain became regent from the moment the Landsmeet voted for him, he had that authority, on behalf of the Queen. The Landsmeet said nothing to oppose Loghain, neither did Anora, so they approved. It was his right.
So Eamon did violently reject the Landsmeet's decision and basically did a Coup d'Etat.

 

Loghain made himself regent, and the Bannorn revolted almost immediately. At that time, Eamon was still all, ya know...dying.

The point? When the Landsmeet votes for him, he officially becomes the regent.

[soignee]

Charsen wrote...

As per Soignee's request, I present to you:



The Alistair Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good

http://pics.livejour...071he5/s640x480


Also look at my pro
use of photoshop, see that blend? PRO.
*goes back to Alistair's School For Kids Who Can't Read Good and learns HOWUFOTOSHOP*

*practises blue steel*

[cmessaz]

I think this is an "unwinable" argument for all sides.

[sylvanaerie]

ahh well have fun yall. I'll be a'lurkin' on the forums but playing my new PC (*Thanks for the new makeups and stuff Cmessaz! they look great!). Will keep you appraised if I come across anything wonky in game with the mod.

[Charsen]

cmessaz wrote...

Charsen wrote...

i am just using her latest party_events. i will put a placeholder kiss in for now, and then upgrade the kisses to the Zevran styles since you guys are pretty anxious about them and i should hurry. XD

Yeah I downloaded that and was looking at it last night. As long as I do not mess with party_events, my mod should be compatible with your kisses, right?

yes ma'am!
the gate kisses use a different kiss cutscene so nothing default is touched, except party_events.dlg and the stage cli400st_riordan, though i can change the stage if it's a problem -- i just added a place

[cmessaz]

sylvanaerie wrote...

ahh well have fun yall. I'll be a'lurkin' on the forums but playing my new PC (*Thanks for the new makeups and stuff Cmessaz! they look great!). Will keep you appraised if I come across anything wonky in game with the mod.

I am fixing up the new version now. It will be available within a few hours. Keep checking back!

[Xandurpein]

Why do people need for everything to be so one-sided. All KoP says is that he thinks Eamon is a hypocrite for saying he wants to respect the Landsmeet, but when the chips are down he won't bow gracefully to a loss.

Why do you feel forced to remind everyone that Loghain has done much worse things, or that maybe a player can feel justified to go against the Landsmeet even if they loose. That's all beside the point. Eamon does not become less a hypocrite if Loghain is a really bad villian, he become less a hypocrite if Eamon says, "We need to stop Loghain even by force is necessary, so be prepared for anything".

Modifié par Xandurpein, 18 avril 2010 - 04:08 .

[Godak]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Godak wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Loghain became regent from the moment the Landsmeet voted for him, he had that authority, on behalf of the Queen. The Landsmeet said nothing to oppose Loghain, neither did Anora, so they approved. It was his right.
So Eamon did violently reject the Landsmeet's decision and basically did a Coup d'Etat.

 

Loghain made himself regent, and the Bannorn revolted almost immediately. At that time, Eamon was still all, ya know...dying.

The point? When the Landsmeet votes for him, he officially becomes the regent.

They never do. He declares himself regent, is supported by Anora, and the Bannorn actually REVOLTS against the decision. There was no approval, there was civil war.

[cmessaz]

Charsen wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Charsen wrote...

i am just using her latest party_events. i will put a placeholder kiss in for now, and then upgrade the kisses to the Zevran styles since you guys are pretty anxious about them and i should hurry. XD

Yeah I downloaded that and was looking at it last night. As long as I do not mess with party_events, my mod should be compatible with your kisses, right?

yes ma'am!
the gate kisses use a different kiss cutscene so nothing default is touched, except party_events.dlg and the stage cli400st_riordan, though i can change the stage if it's a problem -- i just added a place

Personally the only thing I have done is in alistiar_main and the Redcliffe one concerning Alistair's origins (can't think of the name) The rest is just ejoslin's work. I was going to take a look at the kiss scenes at the gates, but if you are doing that I just won't and point people in your direction, if that's alright with you that is.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Godak wrote...

They never do. He declares himself regent, is supported by Anora, and the Bannorn actually REVOLTS against the decision. There was no approval, there was civil war.

Facepalm. The whole point of the landsmeet at the end of the game is to make Loghain regent, or reject his bid, thus ending the civil war. If the Landsmeet votes for him, which it can, he becomes regent and Eamon rejects this decision by force.

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Godak wrote...

They never do. He declares himself regent, is supported by Anora, and the Bannorn actually REVOLTS against the decision. There was no approval, there was civil war.

Facepalm. The whole point of the landsmeet at the end of the game is to make Loghain regent, or reject his bid, thus ending the civil war. If the Landsmeet votes for him, which it can, he becomes regent and Eamon rejects this decision by force.

The last time I lost the landsmeet, Eamon only went with force when Loghain demanded mine and Alistair's execution. Mind you, I don't like Eamon much...but at least he cares enough to go against the grain to have us not killed.

[Addai]

Xandurpein wrote...

Why do people need for everything to be so one-sided.

The real question is why we are talking about this at all.

Edit:  You guys feel free to start a Loghain gush and squee thread.  It will be bizarre, and a bit creepy, but entertaining for us lurkers to watch.  LOL

Modifié par Addai67, 18 avril 2010 - 04:12 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Facepalm. The whole point of the landsmeet at the end of the game is to make Loghain regent, or reject his bid, thus ending the civil war. If the Landsmeet votes for him, which it can, he becomes regent and Eamon rejects this decision by force.

The last time I lost the landsmeet, Eamon only went with force when Loghain demanded mine and Alistair's execution. Mind you, I don't like Eamon much...but at least he cares enough to go against the grain to have us not killed.

It was Loghain's right to demand your execution and the Landsmeet and Anora do not oppose it, if they vote for him and make him regent. Sure, he wants to save you. Doesn't make him any less of a hypocrit.
 
That doesn't mean I do not like Eamon. I might have done the same thing. But I wouldn't critize Loghain for his willingess to betray some of Ferelden's traditions, as I would do the same.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 avril 2010 - 04:14 .

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Well, there's the whole 'How dare you judge me!" bit.  Yes, Loghain, they judging you.  That's sort of the point of this whole thing.  He feels he is above the Landsmeet and their decision, but will totally take them if they decide with him.  That is also hypocrisy.  And I will always see what Loghain does throughout the game as sacrificing far more about what is good about Ferelden than what Eamon does at the Landsmeet.

Irrelevent. Loghain never claimed he cared about it and he always said he would do anything to save his homeland. Eamon on the otherhand criticizes him for betraying Ferelden's traditions, which he shows himself willing to do.

The hypocracy of one (for the sake of argument) does not negate the hypocracy of another.

I am talkign about Eamon here, not Loghain. Why do people always revert back to Loghain?
Eamon is willing to overthrow the Landsmeet my force. After expressing his disgust at Loghain for betraying those same traditions. That is all.
It's irrelevent what Loghain did, as he too can justify what Eamon did with the same logic (I had no choice).

Because it is not irrelevant.  They are intertwined.  Eamon not allowing himself to be slaughtered by Loghain's men does not negate the fact that he did indeed stand up against Loghain to preserve what makes Ferelden Ferelden.  Eamon is willing to stand up to Loghain with force.  He will not let himself and those he supported be taken by a man who is destroying his country.  I don't see that as entirely hypocritcal.  And Loghain's position is hypocritical.  He claims a love for Ferelden above all else, but abandons and destroys what he loves about it.

Also, just finished episode 13 of Spartacus.  I am totally convinced the people responsible for the blood splatters on characters in that game played Dragon Age.  XD

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 18 avril 2010 - 04:13 .