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[Charsen]

cmessaz wrote...
Personally the only thing I have done is in alistiar_main and the Redcliffe one concerning Alistair's origins (can't think of the name) The rest is just ejoslin's work. I was going to take a look at the kiss scenes at the gates, but if you are doing that I just won't and point people in your direction, if that's alright with you that is.

ok -- i am talking with EJ in a PM right now about those changes. gonna grab an updated B2B in a few. then i will add those kisses in. definitely won't affect anything in redcliffe =)

point away, i am finishing up on the Morrigan kisses and then will jump over to the Alistair ones =D i have to, since i poke fun at you guys (i love you crazy alistarians)<3

(on a side note, i am making scenes so both of them are equal love compatible, however i know EJ was saying that there may be a compatibility issue there, i don't know the details though.)

[Lady Jess]

Can I just say....

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Facepalm. The whole point of the landsmeet at the end of the game is to make Loghain regent, or reject his bid, thus ending the civil war. If the Landsmeet votes for him, which it can, he becomes regent and Eamon rejects this decision by force.

Technically Eamon doesn't reject this decision, he simply fights for his own life. Which he might be quite justified to, even on legal ground -- note how Loghain never gives him a chance to swear loyalty, in contrast to what is offered to both Anora and Alistair.

[LadyDamodred]

Charsen wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Personally the only thing I have done is in alistiar_main and the Redcliffe one concerning Alistair's origins (can't think of the name) The rest is just ejoslin's work. I was going to take a look at the kiss scenes at the gates, but if you are doing that I just won't and point people in your direction, if that's alright with you that is.

ok -- i am talking with EJ in a PM right now about those changes. gonna grab an updated B2B in a few. then i will add those kisses in. definitely won't affect anything in redcliffe =)

point away, i am finishing up on the Morrigan kisses and then will jump over to the Alistair ones =D i have to, since i poke fun at you guys (i love you crazy alistarians)<3

(on a side note, i am making scenes so both of them are equal love compatible, however i know EJ was saying that there may be a compatibility issue there, i don't know the details though.)

And we love you. 

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

Why do people need for everything to be so one-sided.

The real question is why we are talking about this at all.

Edit:  You guys feel free to start a Loghain gush and squee thread.  It will be bizarre, and a bit creepy, but entertaining for us lurkers to watch.  LOL

LOL For certain.  Personally Loghain didn't offer a "duel" option he just ordered the PC, Alistair and Eamon's executions.  If Eamon hadn't had his head up his ass maybe he would have realized he could have done that (maybe at this point you couldn't and rebellion was all that could be done).  I don't think Loghain would have offered it.  I think he wanted the PC and Alistair out the the way tootsweet but *shrug* I don't know what was in his head. Still doesnt' change the fact that losing that Landsmeet was the most fun my PC has ever had in there.  Much more dramatic and added a whole "fighting for my life" kind of atmosphere to it.

[Addai]

Charsen wrote...

point away, i am finishing up on the Morrigan kisses and then will jump over to the Alistair ones =D i have to, since i poke fun at you guys (i love you crazy alistarians)<3

Oh!  A reason to finish HNM's game.  I have him on ice after I heard about the bugginess/ weirdness around doing the DR with a Morrigan-romanced character.

Charsen, I posted here and there about it last night, but installing ZDF via cmessaz's combined file knocked out the EF gates kiss for my mage character.  Suggestions?  Should I try to re-install it?

On topic:  Someone else upthread mentioned Alistair's surprise when you tell him that your home is now with the Grey Wardens and with him.  Here is screenshot evidence.    It is not a romance starter, however, at least it wasn't for my character at 40ish approval.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Because it is not irrelevant.  They are intertwined.  Eamon not allowing himself to be slaughtered by Loghain's men does not negate the fact that he did indeed stand up against Loghain to preserve what makes Ferelden Ferelden.  Eamon is willing to stand up to Loghain with force.  He will not let himself and those he supported be taken by a man who is destroying his country.  I don't see that as entirely hypocritcal.  And Loghain's position is hypocritical.  He claims a love for Ferelden above all else, but abandons and destroys what he loves about it.

It is hypocritical, as just a few moments before Eamon said that one should not betray Ferelden's traditions to save it. And he does just that by opposing the Landsmeet's decision to make Loghain regent. Yes, he is standing against Loghain to defend his nation (Loghain thinks the same). Doesn't change the fact that Eamon rejects some of Ferelden's traditiosn to save it (like Loghain thinks he is doing).

If Eamon had told the PC before that he is willing to do anythign to throw Loghain out, I wouldn't call him a hypocrit. But the way he shows hismelf to devstated by Loghain's betryal of traditions, then him doing it, makes him a hypocrit in m y eyes.

And I personally reject the idea that betraying some traditions and political insitutions means betraying the nation (so many great historical figures will have to be considered traitors then, excepot that they are not when they win), but that's besides the issue. Loghain never claimed he cared about them. Eamon does.

[cmessaz]

Charsen wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Personally the only thing I have done is in alistiar_main and the Redcliffe one concerning Alistair's origins (can't think of the name) The rest is just ejoslin's work. I was going to take a look at the kiss scenes at the gates, but if you are doing that I just won't and point people in your direction, if that's alright with you that is.

ok -- i am talking with EJ in a PM right now about those changes. gonna grab an updated B2B in a few. then i will add those kisses in. definitely won't affect anything in redcliffe =)

point away, i am finishing up on the Morrigan kisses and then will jump over to the Alistair ones =D i have to, since i poke fun at you guys (i love you crazy alistarians)<3

(on a side note, i am making scenes so both of them are equal love compatible, however i know EJ was saying that there may be a compatibility issue there, i don't know the details though.)

I wonder if it would be possible to make equal love compatible. Or to do something similar. It likely messes with alistair_main, which is why it wouldn't work. If you want to send me a link to your kisses project, I will add it to my project page.

[cmessaz]

Lady Jess wrote...

Can I just say....

Oh, yes you can.  Uploading this to my project gallery now, so long as you don't object.

Modifié par cmessaz, 18 avril 2010 - 04:20 .

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Facepalm. The whole point of the landsmeet at the end of the game is to make Loghain regent, or reject his bid, thus ending the civil war. If the Landsmeet votes for him, which it can, he becomes regent and Eamon rejects this decision by force.

The last time I lost the landsmeet, Eamon only went with force when Loghain demanded mine and Alistair's execution. Mind you, I don't like Eamon much...but at least he cares enough to go against the grain to have us not killed.

It was Loghain's right to demand your execution and the Landsmeet and Anora do not oppose it, if they vote for him and make him regent. Sure, he wants to save you. Doesn't make him any less of a hypocrit.
 
That doesn't mean I do not like Eamon. I might have done the same thing. But I wouldn't critize Loghain for his willingess to betray some of Ferelden's traditions, as I would do the same.

My Problems with Loghain arePractical The Cousland Murders? Totally planned so he had no challenge, Eamon's poisoning, same time, same reason. Elven slaves, torchering nobles, sure his hands were technically clean, but he damned well knew what Howe was doing. More than that he killed the man that saved me, and he killed Cailan (Yes Cailan, Glory and Honor Indeed...) He KNEW at that meeting he was going to turn and run (EVERYTHING was in place at that moment to have him and his daughter take control), and frame the Wardens, ya know, in case any survived to tell the tale. Then he tried to have me assassinated. That goes WAY beyond betraying traditions.

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Still doesnt' change the fact that losing that Landsmeet was the most fun my PC has ever had in there.  Much more dramatic and added a whole "fighting for my life" kind of atmosphere to it.

Agreed.  I like this route much better than double-crossing Anora and going straight to the duel.  You get to see a) Anora's duplicity, Loghain's ruthlessness, and c) the depth of your Landsmeet allies' support.  The Bannorn are not going to take it lying down, either.

I'm up for an Alfstanna or Bryland squee thread any day.

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Can I just say....

Oh, yes you can.  Uploading this to my project gallery now, so long as you don't object.

No objection from me:)

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Because it is not irrelevant.  They are intertwined.  Eamon not allowing himself to be slaughtered by Loghain's men does not negate the fact that he did indeed stand up against Loghain to preserve what makes Ferelden Ferelden.  Eamon is willing to stand up to Loghain with force.  He will not let himself and those he supported be taken by a man who is destroying his country.  I don't see that as entirely hypocritcal.  And Loghain's position is hypocritical.  He claims a love for Ferelden above all else, but abandons and destroys what he loves about it.

It is hypocritical, as just a few moments before Eamon said that one should not betray Ferelden's traditions to save it. And he does just that by opposing the Landsmeet's decision to make Loghain regent. Yes, he is standing against Loghain to defend his nation (Loghain thinks the same). Doesn't change the fact that Eamon rejects some of Ferelden's traditiosn to save it (like Loghain thinks he is doing).

If Eamon had told the PC before that he is willing to do anythign to throw Loghain out, I wouldn't call him a hypocrit. But the way he shows hismelf to devstated by Loghain's betryal of traditions, then him doing it, makes him a hypocrit in m y eyes.

And I personally reject the idea that betraying some traditions and political insitutions means betraying the nation (so many great historical figures will have to be considered traitors then, excepot that they are not when they win), but that's besides the issue. Loghain never claimed he cared about them. Eamon does.

Okay, let me try to explain and then we should really drop this.  I see it as Loghain who is still betraying Ferelden's tradtions when he orders the execution of Eamon, Alistair and myself.  As we see when Alistair is named king, he is the only one who can decide what to do with Anora.  Loghain, on the other hand, takes it upon himself to decide.  This goes against Fereldan tradtion.  Eamon is not arguing against Anora being queen or Loghain being regent, he is fighting against a man taking personal command of something he should not.  I can see where you think it is hypocritical, but I do not.  and since Loghain is a hypocrit too, let's just say it evens out.

[cmessaz]

Lady Jess wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Can I just say....

Oh, yes you can.  Uploading this to my project gallery now, so long as you don't object.

No objection from me:)

Is it just me, or does she look like she is saying something to him in that scene? The one with the kissing?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...


My Problems with Loghain arePractical The Cousland Murders? Totally planned so he had no challenge, Eamon's poisoning, same time, same reason. Elven slaves, torchering nobles, sure his hands were technically clean, but he damned well knew what Howe was doing. More than that he killed the man that saved me, and he killed Cailan (Yes Cailan, Glory and Honor Indeed...) He KNEW at that meeting he was going to turn and run (EVERYTHING was in place at that moment to have him and his daughter take control), and frame the Wardens, ya know, in case any survived to tell the tale. Then he tried to have me assassinated. That goes WAY beyond betraying traditions.

David Gaider said Loghain had no knowldge about the massacre of the Couslands.

And it's all irrelevent. I am taking about Eamon here, not Loghain. Yes, Loghain betrays traditions, but he never claimed he cared. Eamon betrays traditions, while also claiming that he cares. That is all I said.

I don't even hate Eamon for it. But that doesn't make him any less of a hypocrit.

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Can I just say....

Oh, yes you can.  Uploading this to my project gallery now, so long as you don't object.

TMPs scenes are so romantic.  But my elf is a DIRTY GIRL!! LOL OMG I was so surprised in that one scene!!  hehe.  I like the dialogue fixes on Ejoslin's mod too.  *Kicks herself for not getting it sooner* but as I don't really romance Zevran thats all I thought it did to be honest. 

This time I am going to hold off as long as I can for the romance to kick in.  It was really sweet the last time I played and I got the "home is with you" line when we weren't in a romance and his response was just adorable. 

[cmessaz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...


My Problems with Loghain arePractical The Cousland Murders? Totally planned so he had no challenge, Eamon's poisoning, same time, same reason. Elven slaves, torchering nobles, sure his hands were technically clean, but he damned well knew what Howe was doing. More than that he killed the man that saved me, and he killed Cailan (Yes Cailan, Glory and Honor Indeed...) He KNEW at that meeting he was going to turn and run (EVERYTHING was in place at that moment to have him and his daughter take control), and frame the Wardens, ya know, in case any survived to tell the tale. Then he tried to have me assassinated. That goes WAY beyond betraying traditions.

David Gaider said Loghain had no knowldge about the massacre of the Couslands.

And it's all irrelevent. I am taking about Eamon here, not Loghain. Yes, Loghain betrays traditions, but he never claimed he cared. Eamon betrays traditions, while also claiming that he cares. That is all I said.

I don't even hate Eamon for it. But that doesn't make him any less of a hypocrit.

But he does! He says so if you talk to him at Ostagar! Then he rewards the man who killed your family!

But yeah lets get off the Loghain subject.

Modifié par cmessaz, 18 avril 2010 - 04:27 .

[tmp7704]

cmessaz wrote...

Is it just me, or does she look like she is saying something to him in that scene? The one with the kissing?

She is. What exactly she is saying... well, that's for each lady to decide on her own

[sylvanaerie]

Maker's breath both of you have made your points, can't you just agree to disagree and move on?

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Okay, let me try to explain and then we should really drop this.  I see it as Loghain who is still betraying Ferelden's tradtions when he orders the execution of Eamon, Alistair and myself.  As we see when Alistair is named king, he is the only one who can decide what to do with Anora.  Loghain, on the other hand, takes it upon himself to decide.  This goes against Fereldan tradtion.  Eamon is not arguing against Anora being queen or Loghain being regent, he is fighting against a man taking personal command of something he should not.  I can see where you think it is hypocritical, but I do not.  and since Loghain is a hypocrit too, let's just say it evens out.

He is not, he has been voted as regent and it's his right to order such a thing, seing how no one objected. A regent acts in the name of the Queen and she does not object either. So Loghain had the full right, as regent, to order their execution.

The atrocities of Germany in WW2 does not negate or evens out the fire bombing of Dresden and Hamburg, sorry. I reject the idea of actions negating or evening each other out. That doesn't mean I necessarily view them as immoral or unnecessary, but I still would see them as what they are. Eamon's hypocracy may have been necessary and may have been for the good of Ferelden. Doesn't change the fact that it is hypocracy.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 avril 2010 - 04:30 .

[sylvanaerie]

*bangs head on keyboard* how far off the tracks does this thread have to derail do we have to go before you call it a disaster and call in the national guard????

[cmessaz]

tmp7704 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Is it just me, or does she look like she is saying something to him in that scene? The one with the kissing?

She is. What exactly she is saying... well, that's for each lady to decide on her own

You rule. Thats all I gotta say.

[cmessaz]

sylvanaerie wrote...

*bangs head on keyboard* how far off the tracks does this thread have to derail do we have to go before you call it a disaster and call in the national guard????

My keyboard is sticky from coffee. But it can sure take a beating! Discovered this last night.

[Lady Jess]

Loghain Who? All I see is...

[LadyDamodred]

cmessaz wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

*bangs head on keyboard* how far off the tracks does this thread have to derail do we have to go before you call it a disaster and call in the national guard????

My keyboard is sticky from coffee. But it can sure take a beating! Discovered this last night.

Better than my friend who used to his his monitor in anger.  Still shocked that it never broke.  XD

Need moar templar Alistair:

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 18 avril 2010 - 04:40 .