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[cmessaz]

Gilsa wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Have they not been watching our thread?

Poster(s) in that thread went through the trouble to call in a moderator to deal with the troll. It's a double edged sword because moderators will clean house.

Hey, I somehow uploaded the wrong file. I am working on repacking. Sorry about that!

[mellifera]

Yeah, just deal with the trolls yourself. Calling in a moderator... that's not good. Do not want a nanny xD



YAY 1988 BEST PAGE!

[Sarah1281]

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, just deal with the trolls yourself. Calling in a moderator... that's not good. Do not want a nanny xD

YAY 1988 BEST PAGE!

It was okay, I guess.

Rain Man came out that year.

[SurelyForth]

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, just deal with the trolls yourself. Calling in a moderator... that's not good. Do not want a nanny xD

YAY 1988 BEST PAGE!

Since my sister/best friend was born in 1988, I will allow it.

Alistair related question!

I know we discussed this in the other huge Ali thread, but there are those who post here who didn't post there so I'll ask it again:

What do you think the response would be (from the Landsmeet and the general populace) if Alistair is king and his mother turns out to be Fiona? For the sake of debate, let's assume that word gets out. 

[Lady Jess]

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, just deal with the trolls yourself. Calling in a moderator... that's not good. Do not want a nanny xD

YAY 1988 BEST PAGE!

Since my sister/best friend was born in 1988, I will allow it.

Alistair related question!

I know we discussed this in the other huge Ali thread, but there are those who post here who didn't post there so I'll ask it again:

What do you think the response would be (from the Landsmeet and the general populace) if Alistair is king and his mother turns out to be Fiona? For the sake of debate, let's assume that word gets out. 

Well, either nothing...because An elf produced a fully human child, and isn't any worse than a scullery maid. Or, we'll have alot of really HAPPY elven chancellors running off to the chantry with Alistair in tow.

But seriously, I'm not sure it would be any different than the serving girl. He's fully human, because there are no half elves. If anything, it would shut up any possible mutterings about who his father was.

[Sarah1281]

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, just deal with the trolls yourself. Calling in a moderator... that's not good. Do not want a nanny xD

YAY 1988 BEST PAGE!

Since my sister/best friend was born in 1988, I will allow it.

Alistair related question!

I know we discussed this in the other huge Ali thread, but there are those who post here who didn't post there so I'll ask it again:

What do you think the response would be (from the Landsmeet and the general populace) if Alistair is king and his mother turns out to be Fiona? For the sake of debate, let's assume that word gets out. 

If he's insanely popular they might be able to overlook it although they'd assume all his pro-elf decisions were because of his heritage. Whenever he was having PR problems, though, people would start calling for him getting deposed. Maybe Anora (if she were still around) would try to get him removed from power.

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

Since my sister/best friend was born in 1988, I will allow it.

Alistair related question!

I know we discussed this in the other huge Ali thread, but there are those who post here who didn't post there so I'll ask it again:

What do you think the response would be (from the Landsmeet and the general populace) if Alistair is king and his mother turns out to be Fiona? For the sake of debate, let's assume that word gets out. 

I would go back and read page 1972 to see how awesome it was, but that would just make me feel old.

I did participate in that discussion before, but I guess the gist of what I said is that I put this as a possibility for why Alistair would quietly step down.  I think he would rather have an orderly, if still somewhat controversial (because it'd be unexpected) handover of power, than have it come out.  This is assuming Alistair finds out his parentage but it's not generally known.  He could use Grey Warden business as a pretext.

If it was generally known... it would be a problem.  Not for him necessarily, because I think his reign is pretty secure.  But his heir would not be accepted.  So the end result would probably still be the same- an early handover to someone else like Fergus or Fergus' heir.

Are you writing about this (or something like it)?  *bouncy bouncy*  Can I just say I was so excited to see Fiona in Undertow. 

[TotoroTori]

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, just deal with the trolls yourself. Calling in a moderator... that's not good. Do not want a nanny xD

YAY 1988 BEST PAGE!

yes it is :3

IT WAS THE YEAR I WAS BORN AFTER ALL


The year of the Dragon actually, roar.

[TotoroTori]

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[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Alistair related question!

I know we discussed this in the other huge Ali thread, but there are those who post here who didn't post there so I'll ask it again:

What do you think the response would be (from the Landsmeet and the general populace) if Alistair is king and his mother turns out to be Fiona? For the sake of debate, let's assume that word gets out. 

I think first it would depend on how long he's been king and how well-accepted he is.  A great king is going to have more latitude with trouble than a barely tolerated king, same with experienced and capable vs. a novice.

Overall though, I think it would go badly for him.  He's half-elf and half-Orlesian.  The Orlesian bit would get the older nobles, even though he's a totally loyal Ferelden.  The half-elf part would go badly with almost everyone since elves are so poorly seen.  Allowances might be made if the Warden were elven - people might be willing to think more highly of elves then if one was a great hero.

I would not be at all surprised if the Landsmeet was called to vote on whether he should step down from the throne - though I think the vote itself might go either way.

[cmessaz]

Ok ANOTHER update to CRS. Mostly to fix the dwarf issues, but I also changed a couple of the tenting lines. Let me know if you have any issues!

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Since my sister/best friend was born in 1988, I will allow it.

Alistair related question!

I know we discussed this in the other huge Ali thread, but there are those who post here who didn't post there so I'll ask it again:

What do you think the response would be (from the Landsmeet and the general populace) if Alistair is king and his mother turns out to be Fiona? For the sake of debate, let's assume that word gets out. 

I would go back and read page 1972 to see how awesome it was, but that would just make me feel old.

I did participate in that discussion before, but I guess the gist of what I said is that I put this as a possibility for why Alistair would quietly step down.  I think he would rather have an orderly, if still somewhat controversial (because it'd be unexpected) handover of power, than have it come out.  This is assuming Alistair finds out his parentage but it's not generally known.  He could use Grey Warden business as a pretext.

If it was generally known... it would be a problem.  Not for him necessarily, because I think his reign is pretty secure.  But his heir would not be accepted.  So the end result would probably still be the same- an early handover to someone else like Fergus or Fergus' heir.

Are you writing about this (or something like it)?  *bouncy bouncy*  Can I just say I was so excited to see Fiona in Undertow. 

Eventually. It's unrelated to Undertow, but I have another fic planned and was just thinking about this scenario again. It's something that could be interesting to explore.

FWIW, I think it could be Bad, because I don't think the idea of a half-elven (and even if they look human, elf-blooded individuals are called out for their heritage), half-Orlesian son of a mage would sit well with (like Sandi said) the older nobles and it would be a perfect issue to exploit for anyone with designs on the throne.

[LadyDamodred]

SurelyForth wrote...
Alistair related question!

I know we discussed this in the other huge Ali thread, but there are those who post here who didn't post there so I'll ask it again:

What do you think the response would be (from the Landsmeet and the general populace) if Alistair is king and his mother turns out to be Fiona? For the sake of debate, let's assume that word gets out. 

This is complicated, in part b/c not everyone is going to believe it.  For those that do, like others have said, depends in large part on how well-liked he is.  People are always willing to overlook "flaw" in popular leaders.  Some will argue that he has to step down because of who his mother is, while others will say who his father was trumps that.

He would have the whole Orlesian elf mage thing going against him.  There will be some who will be convinced that's enough to make him unsuitable for the throne.  But he might possibly have the support of both teyrn's and the Arl of Redcliffe, all very influential voices, as well as any others who supported the Warden earlier.  I;d imagine they would also support Alistair.

In the end, I think most people would be willing to let it slide if it keeps stability.  After all, they have just gone through a civil war and fight over the throne.  No one wants to go through that again, and if he's done a respectable job, most people will probably overlook it.  Perhaps I am being generous, though.  I really don't  know.

I do disagree though that he would be allowed to keep his throne, but his kids wouldn't.  That makes no sense to me.  Any heirs of his would be a step further removed from the "taint" of his mother's blood, and thus more worthy of the throne.

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Since my sister/best friend was born in 1988, I will allow it.

Alistair related question!

I know we discussed this in the other huge Ali thread, but there are those who post here who didn't post there so I'll ask it again:

What do you think the response would be (from the Landsmeet and the general populace) if Alistair is king and his mother turns out to be Fiona? For the sake of debate, let's assume that word gets out. 

I would go back and read page 1972 to see how awesome it was, but that would just make me feel old.

I did participate in that discussion before, but I guess the gist of what I said is that I put this as a possibility for why Alistair would quietly step down.  I think he would rather have an orderly, if still somewhat controversial (because it'd be unexpected) handover of power, than have it come out.  This is assuming Alistair finds out his parentage but it's not generally known.  He could use Grey Warden business as a pretext.

If it was generally known... it would be a problem.  Not for him necessarily, because I think his reign is pretty secure.  But his heir would not be accepted.  So the end result would probably still be the same- an early handover to someone else like Fergus or Fergus' heir.

Are you writing about this (or something like it)?  *bouncy bouncy*  Can I just say I was so excited to see Fiona in Undertow. 

Eventually. It's unrelated to Undertow, but I have another fic planned and was just thinking about this scenario again. It's something that could be interesting to explore.

FWIW, I think it could be Bad, because I don't think the idea of a half-elven (and even if they look human, elf-blooded individuals are called out for their heritage), half-Orlesian son of a mage would sit well with (like Sandi said) the older nobles and it would be a perfect issue to exploit for anyone with designs on the throne.

The mage thing, that's what I was forgetting.  Need to sleep.  I was thinking Grey Warden and wondering why that would matter since he was already a Warden when he took the throne.    Damn my stubborn refusal to sleep at a normal hour...

[Sarah1281]

I'm staying up at least until page 1991 then I'll probably end up sleeping through 2000...

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

FWIW, I think it could be Bad, because I don't think the idea of a half-elven (and even if they look human, elf-blooded individuals are called out for their heritage), half-Orlesian son of a mage would sit well with (like Sandi said) the older nobles and it would be a perfect issue to exploit for anyone with designs on the throne.

It depends on how well Alistair's reign has gone after the Blight.  His big military victory over the Blight (it would be seen as his, if he's monarch) should carry him a long way.  OTOH, since he already starts controversy by having an elven advisor on his council, people would say that he knew and was using his position to advance the elves.  It would also be bad for Eamon, because people would assume he had to know, too.

If he has an elven mistress and/or chancellor, too.... yikes.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

I do disagree though that he would be allowed to keep his throne, but his kids wouldn't.  That makes no sense to me.  Any heirs of his would be a step further removed from the "taint" of his mother's blood, and thus more worthy of the throne.

I think people would let it slide with Alistair because he is popular, won a great military victory, and (assuming they believe him) he didn't knowingly deceive people.

His heir, OTOH, would be known to be part elven and part mage and thus I think would be disqualified out of hand.

Modifié par Addai67, 27 juin 2010 - 05:00 .

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I do disagree though that he would be allowed to keep his throne, but his kids wouldn't.  That makes no sense to me.  Any heirs of his would be a step further removed from the "taint" of his mother's blood, and thus more worthy of the throne.

I think people would let it slide with Alistair because he is popular, won a great military victory, and (assuming they believe him) he didn't knowingly deceive people.

His heir, OTOH, would be known to be part elven and part mage and thus I think would be disqualified out of hand.

His heir would also have Alistair's and the Theirin bloodline to call upon, as well as having a Fereldan noble as a mother.  I can't see any heir of his having more trouble with less of the "bad blood," despite whatever victory Alistair won.  After all, if that's why he can keep his throne, his kid also has that to call upon.  The child of a national hero, etc....

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 27 juin 2010 - 05:02 .

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

FWIW, I think it could be Bad, because I don't think the idea of a half-elven (and even if they look human, elf-blooded individuals are called out for their heritage), half-Orlesian son of a mage would sit well with (like Sandi said) the older nobles and it would be a perfect issue to exploit for anyone with designs on the throne.

It depends on how well Alistair's reign has gone after the Blight.  His big military victory over the Blight (it would be seen as his, if he's monarch) should carry him a long way.  OTOH, since he already starts controversy by having an elven advisor on his council, people would say that he knew and was using his position to advance the elves.  It would also be bad for Eamon, because people would assume he had to know, too.

If he has an elven mistress and/or chancellor, too.... yikes.

I always figured Eamon did know - he has to know something, don't  you think, other than that the child was a random bastard of Maric's?  Unless Maric simply dropped him off and said "Don't ask questions about his mother", but surely Eamon would want to know something, given his sister was queen...

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

I always figured Eamon did know - he has to know something, don't  you think, other than that the child was a random bastard of Maric's?  Unless Maric simply dropped him off and said "Don't ask questions about his mother", but surely Eamon would want to know something, given his sister was queen...

That's my assumption.  I mean, assuming that Alistair is indeed Fiona Jr.  I suppose Maric could have left Eamon in the dark and just told him that he had a bastard child he needed to have "taken care of" quietly.  It just adds so much drama to Teagan's "Do you mean Alistair?  Are you sure?" to think that both Eamon and Teagan knew.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

His heir would also have Alistair's and the Theirin bloodline to call upon, as well as having a Fereldan noble as a mother.  I can't see any heir of his having more trouble with less of the "bad blood," despite whatever victory Alistair won.  After all, if that's why he can keep his throne, his kid also has that to call upon.  The child of a national hero, etc....

I'm looking at it that Alistair never would have been accepted if it had been known, but because he's already on the throne, there will be a desire for inertia and stability that could allow his parentage to be "grandfathered in."  But he would be seen as an exceptional case.  He already is exceptional, being son of a commoner, but add those other things and...

[Mustang678]

I still never spare Loghain just because I can't stand to have Alistair that angry at me

[Sandtigress]

Oh yeah, Addai, at the risk of being off topic :-P Was it you who was recommending the how to draw with the right side of your brain book? Turns out I have a 40% off coupon to an art store starting tomorrow and it's really, really tempting me.

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

His heir would also have Alistair's and the Theirin bloodline to call upon, as well as having a Fereldan noble as a mother.  I can't see any heir of his having more trouble with less of the "bad blood," despite whatever victory Alistair won.  After all, if that's why he can keep his throne, his kid also has that to call upon.  The child of a national hero, etc....

I'm looking at it that Alistair never would have been accepted if it had been known, but because he's already on the throne, there will be a desire for inertia and stability that could allow his parentage to be "grandfathered in."  But he would be seen as an exceptional case.  He already is exceptional, being son of a commoner, but add those other things and...

But his heirs aren't the children of commoners, and again, further removed from the issue at hand.  If you're going to let Alistair keep the throne, and he does a good job, it makes no sense to to say to his kids, "Hey, you can't have the throne b/c one of your grandparents sucked."  That's not gonna help stability b/c 1)  Someone else will have to be found and agreed upon for an heir and 2)  You will now have more heirs to the Theirin bloodlne running around and muddying the waters in the future.

*shrugs*  I suspect we are not going to agree on this.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

Oh yeah, Addai, at the risk of being off topic :-P Was it you who was recommending the how to draw with the right side of your brain book? Turns out I have a 40% off coupon to an art store starting tomorrow and it's really, really tempting me.

Yes, I did.  Some others, too, I think.  I actually drew stuff that didn't completely suck, and I didn't even get very far in it.

Also o/t, and I'm probably going to embarrass her, but if y'all haven't visited DahliaLynn's actual project page, you might have missed that she is not just a talented modder but a super talented voice actress.  I mean, listen to this stuff!  The last bit, which looks like an anime narration, gave me chills.

And speaking of her mods, I uploaded another video with the updated first night-EF scene.  The bit I noticed that was changed was the pan in on the neck kiss.  Which is soooo :devil::wub:.  I like this version of that shot much better than the previous version.  Before I was looking at my PC's hair, which was awkward at that angle.  Now I'm looking at Alistair go all goo-kneed from having his neck nibbled.  Whee!!!


Spamming this shot for tops because I just can't get over how great this kiss is.

Modifié par Addai67, 27 juin 2010 - 05:19 .