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[Lara Denton]

Lady Jess wrote...

I did the Anora betrayal with dog and it was indeed Hilarious. Not to mention every time Salroka snarled Eamon looked down at him thoughtfully before looking back to Anora. Then I had oghren and the dog come rescue us just to see how that went, it was pretty funny letting dog do the talking. Until the female guard then you're scrwed...lol

But I went back, and decided for ONCE by god I was going to fight Cauthrien. With no healer. Me, Alistair, Salroka, and Oghren. By the end, I was out of firebombs, Alistair and Oghren were down while I was picking off mages and archers. dog was tanking Cauthrien when I killed the last archer and I got to take the last several hits...

You managed to have two characters still up with no mage in the party? You must have had quite a strategy. What did you use? What difficulty did you play on? 

[Sarah1281]

Axekix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

You're focusing too much on the word I used. The situation was Morrigan constantly losing approval due to the PC stopping to solve the problems of everyone they come across, not objecting to just being nice.

Not really.  The point I'm making is if you're writing a character that will clash with Morrigan to the point that she leaves, simply being nice wouldn't do it (if you're concerned about accurately characterizing her). 

You'd need to be naive, extremely idealistic, and very judgmental towards her and her opinions.  None of those are synonymous with nice.  Basically make your character act like Alistair and she'll hate him/her in no time!

How much characterization can you possibly expect from a 2K story? And the point is that if Morrigan starts out at neutral and loses, say, five approval points every time you waste time and be nice (note: this is used synonymously with helping other people out not for a reward) then once you hit twenty over the course of your entire journey then game mechanics would have her hate you and leave even if you never insult her or anything. It's supposed to be a parody, kind of like how Alistair will tell you how very much he hates you and how you clearly understand nothing about what the Wardens are about and how he doesn't even know if you want to stop the Blight if he starts at neutral and you give him the book on genealogy or how Leliana will ask what is wrong with you and tell you she's embarrassed to be seen with you if you give her ugly shoes.

[cmessaz]

So I decided to go with AW after saying that I never would. I am really actually enjoying the deep roads! I also tried some new armors with her. I finally got done modding for the day and decided to get back to playing her.

[Serissia]

cmessaz wrote...

Your mage is really pretty.

[sabreene]

cmessaz wrote...

So I decided to go with AW after saying that I never would. I am really actually enjoying the deep roads! I also tried some new armors with her. I finally got done modding for the day and decided to get back to playing her.

Nice, Cme!! I see Ron is still running with swords I love AW, it's fun!!

[cmessaz]

@sabreene- yeah i took them off now though. it was annoying me.

@seri- thanks!

Modifié par cmessaz, 01 juillet 2010 - 03:30 .

[Axekix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

You're focusing too much on the word I used. The situation was Morrigan constantly losing approval due to the PC stopping to solve the problems of everyone they come across, not objecting to just being nice.

Not really.  The point I'm making is if you're writing a character that will clash with Morrigan to the point that she leaves, simply being nice wouldn't do it (if you're concerned about accurately characterizing her). 

You'd need to be naive, extremely idealistic, and very judgmental towards her and her opinions.  None of those are synonymous with nice.  Basically make your character act like Alistair and she'll hate him/her in no time!

How much characterization can you possibly expect from a 2K story? And the point is that if Morrigan starts out at neutral and loses, say, five approval points every time you waste time and be nice (note: this is used synonymously with helping other people out not for a reward) then once you hit twenty over the course of your entire journey then game mechanics would have her hate you and leave even if you never insult her or anything

If you never talk to her at all,  perhaps.  If your PC is compassionate enough to stop and help every person they come across, would they not be compassionate enough to at least try to understand Morrigan as well?  I would think a super "nice" warden would find plenty of ways of empathizing with her in camp.  

It's supposed to be a parody, kind of like how Alistair will tell you how very much he hates you and how you clearly understand nothing about what the Wardens are about and how he doesn't even know if you want to stop the Blight if he starts at neutral and you give him the book on genealogy or how Leliana will ask what is wrong with you and tell you she's embarrassed to be seen with you if you give her ugly shoes.

Are you talking about those April Fools pranks?  I'm not sure what you're referencing.

[Sarah1281]

Axekix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

You're focusing too much on the word I used. The situation was Morrigan constantly losing approval due to the PC stopping to solve the problems of everyone they come across, not objecting to just being nice.

Not really.  The point I'm making is if you're writing a character that will clash with Morrigan to the point that she leaves, simply being nice wouldn't do it (if you're concerned about accurately characterizing her). 

You'd need to be naive, extremely idealistic, and very judgmental towards her and her opinions.  None of those are synonymous with nice.  Basically make your character act like Alistair and she'll hate him/her in no time!

How much characterization can you possibly expect from a 2K story? And the point is that if Morrigan starts out at neutral and loses, say, five approval points every time you waste time and be nice (note: this is used synonymously with helping other people out not for a reward) then once you hit twenty over the course of your entire journey then game mechanics would have her hate you and leave even if you never insult her or anything

If you never talk to her at all,  perhaps.  If your PC is compassionate enough to stop and help every person they come across, would they not be compassionate enough to at least try to understand Morrigan as well?  I would think a super "nice" warden would find plenty of ways of empathizing with her in camp.  

Forget the word 'nice', God! That wasn't what I meant anyway. Let's go with 'PR obsessed overly helpful' Warden if that gets you to drop the not-perfect word. You can talk in camp and not gain any approval or else gain some and lose other by talking about how much you believe in love. It really doesn't matter. It's just two thousand words, it's not some brilliant character analysis! 

It's supposed to be a parody, kind of like how Alistair will tell you how very much he hates you and how you clearly understand nothing about what the Wardens are about and how he doesn't even know if you want to stop the Blight if he starts at neutral and you give him the book on genealogy or how Leliana will ask what is wrong with you and tell you she's embarrassed to be seen with you if you give her ugly shoes.

Are you talking about those April Fools pranks?  I'm not sure what you're referencing.

The feast day pranks give you -100 allowing you to have Alistair hate you for the Compleat Genealogy of the Kings of Ferelden, Sten to hate you for the Butterly Sword, Leliana for Ugly Boots, Zevran for a Chastity Belt, Wynne for a Cat Lady's Hobblestick, Morrigan for the Chant of Light, and Oghren for Scented Soap. Would you find it more believable if the pair got along fine and then Morrigan freaked out and left over a not-very-well-thought-out book gift? 

[Axekix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
 Forget the word 'nice', God! That wasn't what I meant anyway. Let's go with 'PR obsessed overly helpful' Warden if that gets you to drop the not-perfect word. You can talk in camp and not gain any approval or else gain some and lose other by talking about how much you believe in love. It really doesn't matter. It's just two thousand words, it's not some brilliant character analysis!

Err, that doesn't mean it has to be inaccurate.  

"Nice" or "PR obsessed overly helpful"... it doesn't really make a difference considering the characterization is the same.  Would a PR obsessed/overly helpful Warden not inquire about her past?  Would that warden refuse to help her against Flemeth?  The approval lost for believing in love is minor compared to what a "goody goody" can earn by simply talking to her and avoiding the Alistair-like responses.

I'm just pointing out that your reasoning for Morrigan leaving doesn't really follow her in game character.  The piece's length is really irrelevant.

[Sarah1281]

Axekix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 Forget the word 'nice', God! That wasn't what I meant anyway. Let's go with 'PR obsessed overly helpful' Warden if that gets you to drop the not-perfect word. You can talk in camp and not gain any approval or else gain some and lose other by talking about how much you believe in love. It really doesn't matter. It's just two thousand words, it's not some brilliant character analysis!

Err, that doesn't mean it has to be inaccurate.  

"Nice" or "PR obsessed overly helpful"... it doesn't really make a difference considering the characterization is the same.  Would a PR obsessed/overly helpful Warden not inquire about her past?  Would that warden refuse to help her against Flemeth?  The approval lost for believing in love is minor compared to what a "goody goody" can earn by simply talking to her and avoiding the Alistair-like responses.

I'm just pointing out that your reasoning for Morrigan leaving doesn't really follow her in game character.  The piece's length is really irrelevant.

But it follows game mechanics. And no, I don't see how getting to know Morrigan has anything to do with worrying about one's PR.

[Lady Jess]

laradenton wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

I did the Anora betrayal with dog and it was indeed Hilarious. Not to mention every time Salroka snarled Eamon looked down at him thoughtfully before looking back to Anora. Then I had oghren and the dog come rescue us just to see how that went, it was pretty funny letting dog do the talking. Until the female guard then you're scrwed...lol

But I went back, and decided for ONCE by god I was going to fight Cauthrien. With no healer. Me, Alistair, Salroka, and Oghren. By the end, I was out of firebombs, Alistair and Oghren were down while I was picking off mages and archers. dog was tanking Cauthrien when I killed the last archer and I got to take the last several hits...

You managed to have two characters still up with no mage in the party? You must have had quite a strategy. What did you use? What difficulty did you play on? 

I'm either on normal or easy. Likely easy. i've tried this fight so man times and failed. Alistair and Oghren were in the heaviest armor, so everyone kind of split evenly between them, so I could run around backstabbing and firebombing the archers. No strategy at all just rush in. My rogue is pretty hard to kill, she's duelist with high dexterity so she dodges and  parries alot. The only reason Alistair and Oghren died was me forgetting to set health potion tactics, and not getting them in time.

[Lady Jess]

We need more Dwarf/Alistair cuddles...



Fireplaces are romantic...





A stolen moment in the Grey Warden Vault, after the shield was found...

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

So I decided to go with AW after saying that I never would. I am really actually enjoying the deep roads! I also tried some new armors with her. I finally got done modding for the day and decided to get back to playing her.

I'm contemplating an AW as well.  In the Anders thread they were talking about the mod that allows weapon talents to be available, so I was thinking about trying a 2Her.  I know that would drive me to distraction if I played it as a straight warrior, but as a mage I could do it.

[TotoroTori]

Lady Jess wrote...

We need more Dwarf/Alistair cuddles...

Fireplaces are romantic...


A stolen moment in the Grey Warden Vault, after the shield was found...

Makers Breath! Are you two just going to do it everywhere??

[Axekix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 Forget the word 'nice', God! That wasn't what I meant anyway. Let's go with 'PR obsessed overly helpful' Warden if that gets you to drop the not-perfect word. You can talk in camp and not gain any approval or else gain some and lose other by talking about how much you believe in love. It really doesn't matter. It's just two thousand words, it's not some brilliant character analysis!

Err, that doesn't mean it has to be inaccurate.  

"Nice" or "PR obsessed overly helpful"... it doesn't really make a difference considering the characterization is the same.  Would a PR obsessed/overly helpful Warden not inquire about her past?  Would that warden refuse to help her against Flemeth?  The approval lost for believing in love is minor compared to what a "goody goody" can earn by simply talking to her and avoiding the Alistair-like responses.

I'm just pointing out that your reasoning for Morrigan leaving doesn't really follow her in game character.  The piece's length is really irrelevant.

But it follows game mechanics. And no, I don't see how getting to know Morrigan has anything to do with worrying about one's PR.

Because she represents your party to everyone you meet?  Because if you care about gaining approval from everyone, your own party members whom you travel with 24/7 should be very high on the list?  There are plenty of reasons really.
But really do whatever you want, I've already said my piece.

Modifié par Axekix, 01 juillet 2010 - 04:07 .

[Aurelet]

TotoroTori wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

We need more Dwarf/Alistair cuddles...

Fireplaces are romantic...


A stolen moment in the Grey Warden Vault, after the shield was found...

Makers Breath! Are you two just going to do it everywhere??

Ya. I'm a little jealous too

[cmessaz]

TotoroTori wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Oh yes, all of Duncan's needs will be seen to.

I want that dress! I think a more noble color if I may say would be a royal blue or a dark emerald green but thats just me, but darn it I want it!

Hey, I want this dress! Can I have it???

[cmessaz]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

So I decided to go with AW after saying that I never would. I am really actually enjoying the deep roads! I also tried some new armors with her. I finally got done modding for the day and decided to get back to playing her.

I'm contemplating an AW as well.  In the Anders thread they were talking about the mod that allows weapon talents to be available, so I was thinking about trying a 2Her.  I know that would drive me to distraction if I played it as a straight warrior, but as a mage I could do it.

I don't wanna use too many skill mods with my canon mage, or I would use that mod. It is a gread mod.

[Lady Jess]

Aurelet wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

We need more Dwarf/Alistair cuddles...

Fireplaces are romantic...


A stolen moment in the Grey Warden Vault, after the shield was found...

Makers Breath! Are you two just going to do it everywhere??

Ya. I'm a little jealous too

Just stealing every moment they can before we hit the point of no return after the DR...lol

[Serissia]

cmessaz wrote...
Hey, I want this dress! Can I have it???

I put up the IA overrides on my Misc Projects. 

[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Hey, I want this dress! Can I have it???

I put up the IA overrides on my Misc Projects. 

Awsome thanks!

[cmessaz]

I finally got the first night! Not that I hadn't seen it before of course, just it was in testing. Beautiful.

Just flows perfect. Good work Dahlia and finally the days I spent in the toolset paid off!

Modifié par cmessaz, 01 juillet 2010 - 04:19 .

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

I finally got the first night! Not that I hadn't seen it before of course, just it was in testing. Beautiful.

Just flows perfect. Good work Dahlia and finally the days I spent in the toolset paid off!

Aww, yay!  Hopefully Alistair was especially... attentive.  :happy:

[Lady Jess]

YES! This time DNf didn't let him go.../cheer

[TotoroTori]

Lady Jess wrote...

YES! This time DNf didn't let him go.../cheer

Well the mnajor bright side of a hardened Alistair is that he looks really hot when taking control

oh yeah been meaning to ask this but what's the vanilla model?

edit: Oh top page

When you get shots like this of your PC you can't help but wonder if have ADD at times.

Modifié par TotoroTori, 01 juillet 2010 - 04:35 .