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[shedevil3001]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

yeah but with the witcher it is a continued story, dao has no continuity nothing you do matters so if all your companions die in the first 1 and your warden does the us ending it wont make any difference to saving everyone as you wont get any continuity as proven by everything released after dao.

True enough, but who is to say they can't provide continuity to Hawke's story like they did with Mass Effect?

only problem with that is if i wanted a mass effect copy cat game i might as well just play mass effect but i found that game boring and to much shoot em up for my taste dao had a great storyline, romances and a great conversation system, removing those things leaves me with a game that holds nothing of intrest imo   

@kop oh hi btw     :}

[Bratt1204]

shedevil3001 wrote...

ea only cares about 1 thing making money nothing else, but bioware i expected much better from, oh well yet another dissapointment, life is like that in the gaming industry, you get a great game then everything after that just goes downhill, too bad i'll just stick to playing dao or go back to playing nwn :{

That's exactly what I intend to do.

Modifié par Bratt1204, 09 juillet 2010 - 07:08 .

[Costin_Razvan]

The great selling point of Dragon Age: Origins was the depth of your relationships with the various companions. But honestly a lot of people could, 'eloquently' put, give a **** about companions.

[shedevil3001]

exactly batt1204 i mean da2 is ok for those that dont mind no continuity or having a character thats chosen for them but that isnt how i like games to be

[Costin_Razvan]

that dont mind no continuity

Bioware stated that you could not play your PC, but that does not mean that your choices in Origins won't play a role. In fact they stated they do want those choices to play a role.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The great selling point of Dragon Age: Origins was the depth of your relationships with the various companions. But honestly a lot of people could, 'eloquently' put, give a **** about companions.

Then they can go play other games. But we know how unfair the world is.

[shedevil3001]

what like they played a role in awakening oh yes coz that worked fantastically *sarcasim*

[Maria13]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It would require a realy good VA to make it bareable. A bad VA is going to destroy even the best written romances.

It has been done before in the Witcher with a voiced character. While I agree Shepard does suck in that department ( though I honestly laughed my ass off at the female Shepard and Jacob interaction ) it can be done quite well.

I did not play Witcher, so I cannot judge. But I would be really surprised if its romances are superior to DA:Os.

Like LD says, when I want to play a character of my creation, me imagining him saying it offers more nuance than a VA would. But we get back to the same point. We are not playing our character, we are playing a character created for us.

For some, that might be good. But what I love about Origins and what captivated me so is my ability to create my own distinct and nuanced characters.

If the VA for Hawke turns out to be a tough guy thing, then I can no longer create and RP a charming suave rogue a la Xanatos. Which is tragic! 

There are no true romances in Witcher, Geralt is a lech and a cynic but he is actually marvellously voiced, so much so that I enjoyed playing him even though my preference is usually always to play female.  And while good VA is alright for a mono character who will only respond in one way to a given situation, as said above it is just not going to work in stereo.

Geralt phrases: "Riiiiight" as in "I don't believe a word you're saying"

"The silver sword is for monsters... The steel [which is used against humans] is for monsters. too"

[adneate]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Bioware stated that you could not play your PC, but that does not mean that your choices in Origins won't play a role. In fact they stated they do want those choices to play a role.

They have yet to prove they can do continuity in any measure. Mass Effect's much lauded continuity is really just 10 plot flags many relate simply to e-mails you get during the course of the game. They killed Shepard in 2 for the expressed purpose of not having to actually deal with continuity. If they can't pull it off in a game with the same character how in god's name are they going to pull it off in a game with a totally different one.

[KnightofPhoenix]

shedevil3001 wrote...

what like they played a role in awakening oh yes coz that worked fantastically *sarcasim*

Seems to me that the only role our PC and his / her choices will play is just to show how much more awesome Hawke is. 

@ Maria.
Thanks for the info!  

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

what like they played a role in awakening oh yes coz that worked fantastically *sarcasim*

Seems to me that the only role our PC and his / her choices will play is just to show how much more awesome Hawke is. 

@ Maria.
Thanks for the info!  

Hawke dosent fight blights he runs away and is still cooler than the Warden.
Hawke farts rainbows (sorry)

[shedevil3001]

adneate wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Bioware stated that you could not play your PC, but that does not mean that your choices in Origins won't play a role. In fact they stated they do want those choices to play a role.

They have yet to prove they can do continuity in any measure. Mass Effect's much lauded continuity is really just 10 plot flags many relate simply to e-mails you get during the course of the game. They killed Shepard in 2 for the expressed purpose of not having to actually deal with continuity. If they can't pull it off in a game with the same character how in god's name are they going to pull it off in a game with a totally different one.

they wont our character will just be hand waved like everything else (us ending)

[Costin_Razvan]

There are no true romances in Witcher, Geralt is a lech and a cynic but he is actually marvellously voiced, so much so that I enjoyed playing him even though my preference is usually always to play female. And while good VA is alright for a mono character who will only respond in one way to a given situation, as said above it is just not going to work in stereo.



Geralt phrases: "Riiiiight" as in "I don't believe a word you're saying"



"The silver sword is for monsters... The steel [which is used against humans] is for monsters. too"

I wouldn't call your relationship with Shani/Triss anything but a true romance. Sure Geralt can sleep with many women in the game even if he goes after Shani or Triss, but that does not mean there is no romance....

[Gilsa]

Just caught up on several pages of different threads everywhere. I am obviously in the minority. It doesn't bother me that Hawke is going to be voiced because I see DA2 as the story of a single character. Not our character, but a character with a story that BioWare wants to tell. It was obvious to me in Awakening and in Leliana's Song that they've made strides with their cinematic presentation. I'm sure it was not an easy decision to have the player base go from dwarves, elves, and humans to simply human, but DG has repeatedly said there is a story they want to tell and this is obviously the way they felt would make the best transitition.

Using analogies of our wardens in DAO being voiced and thus ruining romances is just a strawman when BioWare is just focusing on voicing Hawke for now. If DAO got retroactively voiced, then OK, there's an issue. Some people like Mass Effect, some don't. I agree with the following line from the article:  "It also eliminates those awkward scenarios where you feel like your character should be reacting, but instead just stares blankly without so much as a grunt." I would really like to see how they implement this. I liked seeing it play out in Leliana's song. I like feeling like I'm the star of a movie. This is what draws me to BioWare's games. I would also hope that we'd get to go back to playing a dwarf or elf again after DA2, but if not, well, DAO was a good ride. Certainly got my money's worth out of it.

Modifié par Gilsa, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:26 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I agree with that feeling Gilsa, and I doubt we are in the minority there. Sure maybe based on these forums, but these forums don't represent the entire fan base of Dragon Age.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I agree with that feeling Gilsa, and I doubt we are in the minority there. Sure maybe based on these forums, but these forums don't represent the entire fan base of Dragon Age.

 It's only been a little over a day. People will come around.

[Lady Jess]

Not related to anything DA...but finally got the damned call! less than 24 hours and my life gets much better, and back to normal...for a time;)

[KnightofPhoenix]

I prefer to be the star of a story of *my* characters and not a movie with a preset personality, but to each his own I guess.

To be clear, I don't think DA2 will be a bad game. It probably will be great and I am 90% sure I'll buy it unless Bioware realy manages to **** it up epicly. However from what I know now (little but major), I am dissapointed in so far that DA2 does not seek to expand on the foundations of its Origins (pardon the pun), but instead seek to mutt itself with Mass effect. To one who thinks DA:O is twice as good as ME, that's a bad thing hapening.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:36 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I very much doubt that Sarah.

 To one who thinks DA:O is twice as good as ME, that's a bad thing hapening.

There are three major points where DA:O is vastly superior to ME for me.

-The Romance. ( Referring to how deep it is, not the whole VA thing and I could care less anyway. )
-The lack of a morality bar.
-Dwarven Empire.

The main plot of ME2 is weaker to Dragon Age: Origins I suppose....but I find the plot of ME1 far superior.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:40 .

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I very much doubt that Sarah.

You think that everyone who freaked out at the initial announcement will stay pissed until the game is released? They'll be trailers, more information, intriguing characters...maybe not everyone will but given time there will be a lot of people who will decide that it won't be as bad as they fear and that having a voice isn't the end of the world, it doesn't turn this into ME for better or for worse, and voicing the main character won't be the deciding factor in whether it's a good game or not.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I prefer to be the star of a story of *my* characters and not a movie with a preset personality, but to each his own I guess.

To be clear, I don't think DA2 will be a bad game. It probably will be great and I am 90% sure I'll buy it unless Bioware realy manages to **** it up epicly. However from what I know now (little but major), I am dissapointed in so far that DA2 does not seek to expand on the foundations of its Origins (pardon the pun), but instead seek to mutt itself with Mass effect. To one who thinks DA:O is twice as good as ME, that's a bad thing hapening.

I agree with you KoP. I think DA2 probably will be a good game. It's just disappointing that the main feature that drew me to the franchise and kept me involved and convinced me to keep returning to the game, is being abandoned.

[Costin_Razvan]

I think most people who post regularly on these forums like their LI very much and won't get over them not being in Dragon Age 2 that easily.

In all honesty though. It seems to me that people who would prefer Dragon Age remains as it where prefer a book over a movie. I prefer the movie, for as much as I liked reading the LOTR Books the movies where incredibly awesome. ( and you can bet your ass that most people feel the same ).

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:46 .

[Serissia]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I prefer to be the star of a story of *my* characters and not a movie with a preset personality, but to each his own I guess.

To be clear, I don't think DA2 will be a bad game. It probably will be great and I am 90% sure I'll buy it unless Bioware realy manages to **** it up epicly. However from what I know now (little but major), I am dissapointed in so far that DA2 does not seek to expand on the foundations of its Origins (pardon the pun), but instead seek to mutt itself with Mass effect. To one who thinks DA:O is twice as good as ME, that's a bad thing hapening.

This.

I don't think DA2 will be bad but I don't think it will live up to or surpass the original.  It seems to me that they're looking to make a more console friendly action rpg.  I can see how that is understandable from a marketing perspective as most of their sales are probably to console gamers.  It doesn't mean I have to be happy about it though. 

[Sarah1281]

Why would more ME-style games be more console-friendly than DA-style ones? I play both on console and I never got the impression. Well, unless you're talking about all the modding.

[ejoslin]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think most people who post regularly on these forums like their LI very much and won't get over them not being in Dragon Age 2 that easily.

In all honesty though. It seems to me that people who would prefer Dragon Age remains as it where prefer a book over a movie. I prefer the movie, for as much as I liked reading the LOTR Books the movies where incredibly awesome. ( and you can bet your ass that most people feel the same ).

I never expected and in fact did not want Zevran to continue in DA2.  The romance was beautiful, and reached a conclusion -- there was no more to build upon.

However, I way prefer books