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[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

Idk, maybe I'm just weird. I just don't feel like voiced over characters are mine. It feels like I'm being throw into the role of x; like in The Witcher I'm playing Geralt. Is it fun? Yeah, I'm having a blast. It doesn't feel like my character though. It's more like watching an interactive movie.

And I don't get why someone would want to watch a slow, badly animated movie.

[phaonica]

Due to BioWare's skillful implementation, gamers accepted and embraced the old-school aesthetic in Origins. But nostalgia can only carry a series so far. Where does one draw the line between homage and aging design? BioWare views Dragon Age as an enduring property spanning multiple installments, and the Edmonton studio is aware that future games in the franchise can't endlessly go back to the well of fond memories."

This quote alone makes me think... "Yeah, you know all those things that drew you to Origins in the first place. Well, those days are over. Move over for the next gen!"

I think it's insulting to those who "embraced the old-school aesthetic in Origins" to be called "aging", "nostalgic", and going "endlessly..back to the well of fond memories."

[Addai]

adneate wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Idk, maybe I'm just weird. I just don't feel like voiced over characters are mine. It feels like I'm being throw into the role of x; like in The Witcher I'm playing Geralt. Is it fun? Yeah, I'm having a blast. It doesn't feel like my character though. It's more like watching an interactive movie.

You should read the Morrigan thread, you'll find many people who think exactly the same thing.

I knew I liked the Morri men.  They get it.

It was from there (from Brockololly, to be precise) that I found this link which is a really excellent read.  Being a novice gamer myself, it's hard to put into words why I find DAO so different, but this guy is actually in the industry and summarizes it perfectly.

[Serissia]

Addai67 wrote...
And I don't get why someone would want to watch a slow, badly animated movie.

Idk, The Witcher is actually fun.  It amuses me to try and sleep with everything that has a vagina.  I had sex just recently with basically the equivalent of the Lady of the Forest. 

Would I play The Witcher over again?  Probably not.  I don't find games like this to have much of a replay value.  I also don't think the style works for a lot of action rpgs.  The main character has to be extraordinarly interesting for me to be able to get into the their role.  I couldn't get through Mass Effect 1 or 2. 

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

Due to BioWare's skillful implementation, gamers accepted and embraced the old-school aesthetic in Origins. But nostalgia can only carry a series so far. Where does one draw the line between homage and aging design? BioWare views Dragon Age as an enduring property spanning multiple installments, and the Edmonton studio is aware that future games in the franchise can't endlessly go back to the well of fond memories."

This quote alone makes me think... "Yeah, you know all those things that drew you to Origins in the first place. Well, those days are over. Move over for the next gen!"

I think it's insulting to those who "embraced the old-school aesthetic in Origins" to be called "aging", "nostalgic", and going "endlessly..back to the well of fond memories."

Especially since I never even played D & D, let alone BG or whatever.  I have no fond memories, dammit!  Although to be honest, it was my husband who got me interested in DAO and he is an old-schooler like that.

But you're right, it's insulting.  Way to jack your loyal fanbase.

[adneate]

Honestly if you're looking for games with that old school feel that won't burn your eyes out the Fallout Games from Black Isle studios are hard to top. Fallout 1 is a timeless classic, it never disappoints a willing audience. You can beat the game without ever killing a single person, how many games allow you to do that?

[Addai]

Serissia wrote...

Would I play The Witcher over again?  Probably not.  I don't find games like this to have much of a replay value.  I also don't think the style works for a lot of action rpgs.  The main character has to be extraordinarly interesting for me to be able to get into the their role.  I couldn't get through Mass Effect 1 or 2. 

Which is also why I'm feeling pretty deflated.  Nothing about Hawke thus far raises a glimmer of interest.  For one thing, humans are dull.

Sorry Alistair, but it's true.

[mellifera]

I guess I shall be the only one to be cautiously optimistic, then. No doom for me today.

[Addai]

adneate wrote...

Honestly if you're looking for games with that old school feel that won't burn your eyes out the Fallout Games from Black Isle studios are hard to top. Fallout 1 is a timeless classic, it never disappoints a willing audience. You can beat the game without ever killing a single person, how many games allow you to do that?

I saw a 3-fer of Fallout 1, 2 and Fallout Tactics in Target a week or two ago and almost bought it.  The problem is that any time I've tried to go back to the older games, I can't get over how primitive it seems.

[Sarah1281]

yukidama wrote...

I guess I shall be the only one to be cautiously optimistic, then. No doom for me today.

I'm feeling vaguely optimistic as well.

[Kryyptehk]

Serissia wrote...

Idk, maybe I'm just weird. I just don't feel like voiced over characters are mine. It feels like I'm being throw into the role of x; like in The Witcher I'm playing Geralt. Is it fun? Yeah, I'm having a blast. It doesn't feel like my character though. It's more like watching an interactive movie.

I agree, it was fine for ME because I never felt like it was supposed to be my character. It was Shepard, the badass of the Alliance. But these characters were MY characters, not Bioware's.

[mellifera]

Addai67 wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Would I play The Witcher over again?  Probably not.  I don't find games like this to have much of a replay value.  I also don't think the style works for a lot of action rpgs.  The main character has to be extraordinarly interesting for me to be able to get into the their role.  I couldn't get through Mass Effect 1 or 2. 

Which is also why I'm feeling pretty deflated.  Nothing about Hawke thus far raises a glimmer of interest.  For one thing, humans are dull.

Sorry Alistair, but it's true.

How interesting a character is is based on their species? News to me.

[Addai]

yukidama wrote...

How interesting a character is is based on their species? News to me.

Sure.  The lore and theme contribute to how interesting a character is for me.  I enjoyed the Cousland story, but in comparison to playing an elf, playing a human is boring.

[Gilsa]

yukidama wrote...

I guess I shall be the only one to be cautiously optimistic, then. No doom for me today.

I actually agree with everything you've said. I am just not big on arguing over video games when I have a credit card that already does all the talking for me.

[Serissia]

Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura is a fantastic older rpg. Most of the npcs are voiced but the PC isn't. It's the the Fallout 1/2 2D/3D style.

I think Origins was an almost perfect blend of old and new. The graphics, combat and some voice overs could have been better but all around it was a solid game that many people seemed to like. The problem I see between Origins and DA 2 is that DA 2 is a totally different type of animal. It's more like the other generic action rpgs (The Witcher, Fable, Mass Effect, Legacy of Kain, etc). Which doesn't mean it will be a bad game it just won't be a game that is the equal or surpasses the original.

Modifié par Serissia, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:00 .

[adneate]

Addai67 wrote...

adneate wrote...

Honestly if you're looking for games with that old school feel that won't burn your eyes out the Fallout Games from Black Isle studios are hard to top. Fallout 1 is a timeless classic, it never disappoints a willing audience. You can beat the game without ever killing a single person, how many games allow you to do that?

I saw a 3-fer of Fallout 1, 2 and Fallout Tactics in Target a week or two ago and almost bought it.  The problem is that any time I've tried to go back to the older games, I can't get over how primitive it seems.

The old Fallout games are both 2D and isometric, 2D art holds up since they are just little sprites. I love huge 3D powerhouse games too but Fallout still brings me back in when I'm playing it on my laptop. I don't think nostalgia has blinded me since I only played the first but I love the 2nd as well, there is just so much there in those games that It would be a real shame to miss out on some of the best storytelling the genre has ever had. Black Isle studios are probably the best studio to ever make RPGs, they had so many incredibly smart people in one place we will probably never see the like of them ever again.

[phaonica]

Serissia wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
And I don't get why someone would want to watch a slow, badly animated movie.

Idk, The Witcher is actually fun.  It amuses me to try and sleep with everything that has a vagina.  I had sex just recently with basically the equivalent of the Lady of the Forest. 

Would I play The Witcher over again?  Probably not.  I don't find games like this to have much of a replay value.  I also don't think the style works for a lot of action rpgs.  The main character has to be extraordinarly interesting for me to be able to get into the their role.  I couldn't get through Mass Effect 1 or 2. 

I don't mind playing a game with a good story and good characters just once and then moving on to another game. But I don't finish a novel and then immediately read it again, no matter how good it is.  There are some books I will read again and some games I will play again, but not for a couple of years.

The only games that I've ever replayed were the first person adventures like DA and Elder Scrolls. I've tried other first person adventure like Two Worlds, but I couldn't stand the dialog.

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

yukidama wrote...
How interesting a character is is based on their species? News to me.

Sure.  The lore and theme contribute to how interesting a character is for me.  I enjoyed the Cousland story, but in comparison to playing an elf, playing a human is boring.

You know what they say about opinions. 

Honestly, I prefer playing humans.  It's fun to play other races, but my canons in games are always human.  They are always more fun for me.

[mellifera]

Well, all I know is that Alistair will still be there for me in DA:O xD I know very little about DA2 and I'm not gonna write it off. Even if it ends up sucking. I am pretty used to hating sequels of things I love anyway. And while it is different I don't really see myself hating DA2 based on what little I know so far anyway.

Modifié par yukidama, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:05 .

[Lara Denton]

yukidama wrote...

I guess I shall be the only one to be cautiously optimistic, then. No doom for me today.

No, not really. But if it's going to be like ME2, I will like it, but I will not love it. I played through ME2 3 or 4 times, when it came out; I'm still playing DA:O and I will probably keep playing it for a while. In the end, I guess there's no comparison between playing a game for a few weeks and playing a game for almost a year. 

...The money making machine says that it is better to play ME2 style than DA:O style... at least from what they've said so far... 

Modifié par laradenton, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:06 .

[mellifera]

Well, that's the way the money goes.

[adneate]

yukidama wrote...

I'm not gonna write it off. Even if it ends up sucking. I am pretty used to hating sequels of things I love anyway. And while it is different I don't really see myself hating DA2 based on what little I know so far anyway.

I don't know if I agree with this sentiment I mean we know quite a bit about the basic mechanics and direction of this game. I know personally I have enough info to know I don't like the sound of this game and unless they come out and say the exact opposite of everything they've been saying so far that opinion won't change.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

You know what they say about opinions. 

Honestly, I prefer playing humans.  It's fun to play other races, but my canons in games are always human.  They are always more fun for me.

Oh sure, I know it's not the same for other people.  You can append "IMO" to anything I say, as a rule.  But it's the opposite for me- when I have a choice, I always prefer to play elves.  That goes back to my first gaming experience, Tolkien text RPGs.  I always played elves and didn't enjoy it much when I would branch out.  That's why it is nice to have a choice.  Put yourself in my shoes and picture being forced to play an elf or a dwarf as your canon.

[Addai]

adneate wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I'm not gonna write it off. Even if it ends up sucking. I am pretty used to hating sequels of things I love anyway. And while it is different I don't really see myself hating DA2 based on what little I know so far anyway.

I don't know if I agree with this sentiment I mean we know quite a bit about the basic mechanics and direction of this game. I know personally I have enough info to know I don't like the sound of this game and unless they come out and say the exact opposite of everything they've been saying so far that opinion won't change.

Agreed, and I can also base it on what I've seen them put out in the DLCs and the expansion.  It's obvious that as of Awakening they had already decided that Origins was "broken" and what I liked most about it needed to be "fixed."  What choice do we have but to take the devs' word for what they are planning for the franchise?

Anyway, I suppose that's enough of my downer.

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
You know what they say about opinions. 

Honestly, I prefer playing humans.  It's fun to play other races, but my canons in games are always human.  They are always more fun for me.

Oh sure, I know it's not the same for other people.  You can append "IMO" to anything I say, as a rule.  But it's the opposite for me- when I have a choice, I always prefer to play elves.  That goes back to my first gaming experience, Tolkien text RPGs.  I always played elves and didn't enjoy it much when I would branch out.  That's why it is nice to have a choice.  Put yourself in my shoes and picture being forced to play an elf or a dwarf as your canon.

*shrugs*  If the game was good, I would be fine.  When it comes down to it, a game being good or not very rarely hinges on the race you play.  It can add a nice twist or flavor, but I've never seen it make or break a game.

Hehe.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:21 .