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[adneate]

Addai67 wrote...

Anyway, I suppose that's enough of my downer.

Ha! The motto of the Morrigan thread is "Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here." Being a Downer is being slightly optimistic by our standards.

[Serissia]

Ha! I'm a pessimist by nature. I always expect the worst.

[mellifera]

adneate wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I'm not gonna write it off. Even if it ends up sucking. I am pretty used to hating sequels of things I love anyway. And while it is different I don't really see myself hating DA2 based on what little I know so far anyway.

I don't know if I agree with this sentiment I mean we know quite a bit about the basic mechanics and direction of this game. I know personally I have enough info to know I don't like the sound of this game and unless they come out and say the exact opposite of everything they've been saying so far that opinion won't change.

Well, that's how you feel. I clearly do not feel the same. What I know so far (dialogue system and a few basic details about Hawke and close to nothing of the story) does not make the game something I do not want to play. I understand that it does for some other people and that people want DA to stay as DA:O is but I personally do not mind them changing the formula without seeing it first hand how it is implemented in the DA universe. I may decide later on that it is not for me but right now I personally just do not see these changes as a massive offense. I've paid more for less.

[mellifera]

Serissia wrote...

Ha! I'm a pessimist by nature. I always expect the worst.

Me too, which is why I am not surprised or really disappointed by this news. I need to stop with my cautious optimisim, I need more "MEH :mellow:" so I don't combust.

Modifié par yukidama, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:25 .

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

*shrugs*  If the game was good, I would be fine.  When it comes down to it, a game being good or not very rarely hinges on the race you play.  It can add a nice twist or flavor, but I've never seen it make or break a game.

If I'm going to roleplay, I want control of my character.  Having been able to be so free in character creation in Origins, to see that taken away in DA2...  If I came to the game with no such expectations, well, I probably wouldn't have come to the game at all, but at least I'd know what I was going to get.  It really sucks to be told that not only is the experience I had in DAO not going to be repeated in the so-called sequel, the devs who made it possible think it was a mistake that I had that much freedom to begin with.

Alright, I did say I was done being a downer.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:32 .

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
*shrugs*  If the game was good, I would be fine.  When it comes down to it, a game being good or not very rarely hinges on the race you play.  It can add a nice twist or flavor, but I've never seen it make or break a game.

If I'm going to roleplay, I want control of my character.  Having been able to be so free in character creation in Origins, to see that taken away in DA2...  If I came to the game with no such expectations, well, I probably wouldn't have come to the game at all, but at least I'd know what I was going to get.  It really sucks to be told that not only is the experience I had in DAO not going to be repeated in the so-called sequel, the devs who made it possible think it was a mistake that I had that much freedom to begin with.

Alright, I did say I was done being a downer.

*nods*

It's a problem of expectations.  When I threw DAO on my Amazon wishlist for Christmas, I had absolutely no idea what it was about really.  I knew it was an RPG and that people had been saying good things about it.  A couple other friends were also getting it for Christmas, so it was kind of a group thing.  Once I started playing, though.  Goddamn.  It sucked me right it.

And now that I enjoyed it so much, my expectations for DA2 are higher than they were for DAO.  I'm still kind of unsure on a couple points, but nothing is a complete deal breaker *so far*.  That may change, or I may become more excited about it.  But I don't understand the whole "OMG, I'm gonna HATE DA2!" when we've only been shown a little bit of info.

[Gilsa]

My last Alistair images for a while. I'm on a game where my dwarf is romancing Leliana and I'm going for a dwarf+ranger pet, Leliana+ranger pet, mabari, and Oghren (as tank) game. It's all redhead, all hound group so this will be a lot of fun. Leliana is the last romantic interest I have not taken all the way to the end so I'm looking forward to finishing it up. She bends down on her knee to kiss the dwarf the same way Alistair does so I feel some deja vu squee when that happens. And after that, I think I'm probably done with DAO for a while. I had wanted to redo my canon dwarf again, but no point with the DA2 news. I will import my drunk-Alistair game first because if exiled Alistair makes a cameo in Hawke's game, that would rock my world. Not holding my breath, but still, y'know. Never know!

[mellifera]

Man, the forums the last couple of days have been about as fun as getting a giant sword through my skull.





I think I am going to be taking a break verrry soon.

[tmp7704]

yukidama wrote...

Man, the forums the last couple of days have been about as fun as getting a giant sword through my skull.

That, too, could've been worse

[mellifera]

tmp7704 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Man, the forums the last couple of days have been about as fun as getting a giant sword through my skull.

That, too, could've been worse

[KnightofPhoenix]

One good thing about Bioware massacring its own game is how it brings fans together.

[mellifera]

Really? For me it's tearing apart because I don't happen to agree with either the brown-nosers OR the doomsayers. So I get called a whiner or a sycophant. It's really making this place suck, honestly.

[Lara Denton]

yukidama wrote...

Really? For me it's tearing apart because I don't happen to agree with either the brown-nosers OR the doomsayers. So I get called a whiner or a sycophant. It's really making this place suck, honestly.

He, he, I think he was paraphrasing Alistair: "You know, one good thing about the Blight is how it brings people together."

ETA: And Alistair wasn't saying it because he meant it, he was joking.

Modifié par laradenton, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:17 .

[mellifera]

Yeah, haha. I dunno, I've just been really irritated lately and after tonight my trips here will probably be much less frequent :/

[Lara Denton]

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, haha. I dunno, I've just been really irritated lately and after tonight my trips here will probably be much less frequent :/

Unfortunately, it seems a lot of people feel that way. Maybe, once we'll hear how the importing works, some might choose to return. I would love to hear about Alistair in DA2. It would be even better if somehow, they would make a reference about the warden's relationship (romantic, of course) with Alistair. 

Edited to rephrase.

Modifié par laradenton, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:38 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

yukidama wrote...

Really? For me it's tearing apart because I don't happen to agree with either the brown-nosers OR the doomsayers. So I get called a whiner or a sycophant. It's really making this place suck, honestly.

I am in the middle too, so to speak. It was just a hyperbol.

On one hand, I am not pleased with certain developments in DA2 such as the VA / dialogue system. But on the other, certain things interest me like the setting (city states dynamics) and the story that I think will be good, even if we have less control over it.

I do not doubt that DA2 will be a good game and I'll probably buy it. But I do doubt that it will have the same impact on me as DA:O did. But we'll have to wait and see.

[Finiffa]

yukidama wrote...

Really? For me it's tearing apart because I don't happen to agree with either the brown-nosers OR the doomsayers. So I get called a whiner or a sycophant. It's really making this place suck, honestly.

As a heads up...I feel the same. I'm very cautiously optimistic here but sceptical also. I do think however that some people (Im not saying people in this thread btw) have totally unrealistic expectations. I believe I read somewhere you can probably import a DAO savegame so that gives me some hope for continuity for the choices I made with my canon warden.

[SurelyForth]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Really? For me it's tearing apart because I don't happen to agree with either the brown-nosers OR the doomsayers. So I get called a whiner or a sycophant. It's really making this place suck, honestly.

I am in the middle too, so to speak. It was just a hyperbol.

On one hand, I am not pleased with certain developments in DA2 such as the VA / dialogue system. But on the other, certain things interest me like the setting (city states dynamics) and the story that I think will be good, even if we have less control over it.

I do not doubt that DA2 will be a good game and I'll probably buy it. But I do doubt that it will have the same impact on me as DA:O did. But we'll have to wait and see.

This is pretty much how I feel at this point.

The thing I hate the most about announcements like this is how it does kill some fan's enthusiasm for the the original game (the same thing happened to my crazy/entertaining Sims community when Sims 3 was announced). In a few weeks, I foresee this thread being nothing but me posting pictures of Ron Mahariel being all over NBA's junk in battle and my Destructo Mage setting NBA aflame...with flame.

It will be shocking and sad.

[Serissia]

SurelyForth wrote...
The thing I hate the most about announcements like this is how it does kill some fan's enthusiasm for the the original game (the same thing happened to my crazy/entertaining Sims community when Sims 3 was announced).

This is pretty much what has happened with me.  Origins is a fantastic game but I kinda feel like, "why bother?".  There's no guarantee that we'll even see all of the loose plot ends tied up from Origins/Awakening at this point. 

[Lara Denton]

Serissia wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
The thing I hate the most about announcements like this is how it does kill some fan's enthusiasm for the the original game (the same thing happened to my crazy/entertaining Sims community when Sims 3 was announced).

This is pretty much what has happened with me.  Origins is a fantastic game but I kinda feel like, "why bother?".  There's no guarantee that we'll even see all of the loose plot ends tied up from Origins/Awakening at this point. 

I do hope that, after a while, you'll come to feel differently. Why not bother? DA:O is a fantastic game and enjoying it has nothing to do with DA2.

It is still unconfirmed that importing a save it's possible, but if it is, it means that whatever happened in DA:O will matter. This could well mean that, even if in some codex entries, some loose ends from Origins might be tied up based on that save. It is even more so possible as the story in DA2 spans for 10 years so we can safely say it covers the Bligh as well as the aftermath and, because Hawke is Fereldan, s/he will be interested in the events that happen in his home country.

I am in a very optimistic mood, I have no idea what got into me. So it got me thinking... Maybe Hawke will meet king Alistair! It is unlikely, but it is not impossible. Maybe he even will get to tell you about his pretty princess consort or about his lovely elven/dwarven chancellor. 

Or maybe, in his/her travels, Hawke might meet a GW by the name of Alistair on his way to Weisshaupt Fortress, who will mention that he is expected by his warden companion. 

Modifié par laradenton, 12 juillet 2010 - 01:09 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The biggest slap in the face is not only loose plot ends, but stupid loose plot ends like having our character disapear, while simultaneously hinting at a return. It's annoying. If Bioware knew it wasn't going to continue the story of the Warden, then it would have been better if it remained quiet and just said that the Warden moved on, like going back to court if Consort. Hopefully Bioware still intends to continue the story, but I doubt that.

[Lara Denton]

 Off topic: why is the warden "the Warden"?

[KnightofPhoenix]

laradenton wrote...

 Off topic: why is the warden "the Warden"?

Th emphasis is on "The".
And because that's probably the only thing that all our very different characters share.   

[Lara Denton]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The biggest slap in the face is not only loose plot ends, but stupid loose plot ends like having our character disapear, while simultaneously hinting at a return. It's annoying. If Bioware knew it wasn't going to continue the story of the Warden, then it would have been better if it remained quiet and just said that the Warden moved on, like going back to court if Consort. Hopefully Bioware still intends to continue the story, but I doubt that.

I think it would be nice if we'll get to hear that the hero of Ferelden passed through the Free Marches and based on your save, get to find out some additional details about where s/he's headed. It's very little, but I think it will mean a lot.

[Lara Denton]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

laradenton wrote...

 Off topic: why is the warden "the Warden"?

Th emphasis is on "The".
And because that's probably the only thing that all our very different characters share.   

I still don't get it. Duncan and Alistair are also wardens, Warden-Commander is a title, I get that, but "the Warden" is used in order to distinguish the main character from the others? Or what?

ETA: <3

Modifié par laradenton, 12 juillet 2010 - 01:21 .