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[SurelyForth]

Mel_Redux wrote...

You really do have a thing for Joel McHale don't you? This is probably my favorite Joel McHale moment. Seeing him try not to crack up was the best!


I've seen this a hundred times and still lose it.

Yeah, my sister and I are pretty much unbearably in love with him. He's tall, funny, has an elfin nose, sometimes takes his son on Keith Olbermann and goes shirtless a lot on Community. He's the perfect storm of squee.

And Spaghetti Cat is hilarious. I'm going to watch it throughout the day and laugh myself into silent spasms of laughter every single time.

[MelRedux]

Seriously, the first time I saw the spaghetti cat segment, the hilarity was so intense I was crying for a good 10 minutes....I coudn't contain myself.



Now, what shall I have for lunch? Chicken tetrazzini?

[SurelyForth]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Seriously, the first time I saw the spaghetti cat segment, the hilarity was so intense I was crying for a good 10 minutes....I coudn't contain myself.

Now, what shall I have for lunch? Chicken tetrazzini?

Of course!

I just realized (to bring this back to Alistair) that I really do have a weakness for snarky men with variably blond hair. I thought Alistair started it, but I can probably trace this to McHale.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
The term is used loosely.  Basically, without the Warden, the world was DOOOMED, and hence the sun shines out of the Hero of Ferelden's behind etc. 

How? Historically speaking, many victories and great achievements were based virtually on one man and a handful of followers. Why does that necessarily have to make them a Mary Sue? Just because the DLC showed that Alistair couldn't do it? 

It depends on how that character is RPed. Not the achievement in and of itself, which is not as Mary Suish as you'd think. You had an army with you, and strong NPC alies like Eamon, Bhelen / Harrowmont, Irving / Gregoir, Riordan...etc. And while our PCs had a lot of choices and power, they couldn't do whatever they want.

I have no problem thinking that Ferelden (not the world) would probably have been doomed without the Warden. And I have no problem saying that, without having a Mary Sue character. 

I once had a conversation that me facepalm.  We were discussing most important presidents.  I asserted that Washington takes the cake for me, simply because without him, things would have played out very differently.  She said that anyone could have done what Washington did, so he wasn't that important.

And then she proceeded to tell me Teddy Roosevelt was the most important because he created the National Parks system and no one else could have possibly done that. 

Anyways, I like to rp Wardens who are instrumental for victory, but, like errant said, still human.  You can still be a hero and need those around you and make mistakes.

[MelRedux]

SurelyForth wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

Seriously, the first time I saw the spaghetti cat segment, the hilarity was so intense I was crying for a good 10 minutes....I coudn't contain myself.

Now, what shall I have for lunch? Chicken tetrazzini?

Of course!

I just realized (to bring this back to Alistair) that I really do have a weakness for snarky men with variably blond hair. I thought Alistair started it, but I can probably trace this to McHale.

I agree!  Ryan Reynolds is at the top of my list....

Edit:  and now that I think about it....he'd make a very good Alistair....if the need for a live Alistair was ever needed

Modifié par Mel_Redux, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:22 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
The term is used loosely.  Basically, without the Warden, the world was DOOOMED, and hence the sun shines out of the Hero of Ferelden's behind etc. 

How? Historically speaking, many victories and great achievements were based virtually on one man and a handful of followers. Why does that necessarily have to make them a Mary Sue? Just because the DLC showed that Alistair couldn't do it? 

It depends on how that character is RPed. Not the achievement in and of itself, which is not as Mary Suish as you'd think. You had an army with you, and strong NPC alies like Eamon, Bhelen / Harrowmont, Irving / Gregoir, Riordan...etc. And while our PCs had a lot of choices and power, they couldn't do whatever they want.

I have no problem thinking that Ferelden (not the world) would probably have been doomed without the Warden. And I have no problem saying that, without having a Mary Sue character. 

I would emphasize that you have a team, yet the game treats it as if you personally ended the Blight.  If we treat DSC seriously (which is a fallacious thing to do, but since we're doing it, I'll continue the exercise), the same team can be present and it all goes pear-shaped because one person wasn't at the final battle.

[Addai]

laradenton wrote...

okiness wrote...

laradenton wrote...

okiness wrote...
 I even had plushies of the two of them commissioned. 

That's so sweet, maybe you'll post some pictures once you get them!

Of course I will! But if you want to see, here's a picture now. Be warned, she's since added Alistair's stubble so there's plenty of reason to take more pictures later!

http://www.jlauportf...cs/4celemna.jpg

Awww! 

Aw, they're so cute!

I've got a Payroo commission in the pipeline and am pretty excited about that.

[cmessaz]

Whats up people!

[Sandtigress]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

Morning Surely!! *waves*

What about us?!

You posted at the same time as me!!  I didn't see you until now!

Well, okay, we forgive you! 

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
The term is used loosely.  Basically, without the Warden, the world was DOOOMED, and hence the sun shines out of the Hero of Ferelden's behind etc. 

How? Historically speaking, many victories and great achievements were based virtually on one man and a handful of followers. Why does that necessarily have to make them a Mary Sue? Just because the DLC showed that Alistair couldn't do it? 

It depends on how that character is RPed. Not the achievement in and of itself, which is not as Mary Suish as you'd think. You had an army with you, and strong NPC alies like Eamon, Bhelen / Harrowmont, Irving / Gregoir, Riordan...etc. And while our PCs had a lot of choices and power, they couldn't do whatever they want.

I have no problem thinking that Ferelden (not the world) would probably have been doomed without the Warden. And I have no problem saying that, without having a Mary Sue character. 

I would emphasize that you have a team, yet the game treats it as if you personally ended the Blight.  If we treat DSC seriously (which is a fallacious thing to do, but since we're doing it, I'll continue the exercise), the same team can be present and it all goes pear-shaped because one person wasn't at the final battle.

That's not strictly true. Zevran, Sten, Oghren, and Wynne are all in Denerim but Alistair only has Leliana, Morrigan, and Dog actually on his team. So if you're looking at it in terms of a team then Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, and Dog cannot defeat the Blight on their own.

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

I once had a conversation that me facepalm.  We were discussing most important presidents.  I asserted that Washington takes the cake for me, simply because without him, things would have played out very differently.  She said that anyone could have done what Washington did, so he wasn't that important.

And then she proceeded to tell me Teddy Roosevelt was the most important because he created the National Parks system and no one else could have possibly done that. 

Anyways, I like to rp Wardens who are instrumental for victory, but, like errant said, still human.  You can still be a hero and need those around you and make mistakes.

There is the theory that butterfly wings flap on one side of the world and a volcano erupts on the other side as a result.  Or however it goes.  But as I see it, nature abhors a vacuum.  In a time of chaos, people just need someone to step in and point the way.  Our Warden happens to be that someone in the original story, but as I said up above, the idea that all the other elements could be in place and the absence of your PC is what makes the difference between salvation and doom is what sends it into Mary Sue territory.

[Sandtigress]

Hey Steam people, how do I get the patch that came out today...?

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...
 That's not strictly true. Zevran, Sten, Oghren, and Wynne are all in Denerim but Alistair only has Leliana, Morrigan, and Dog actually on his team. So if you're looking at it in terms of a team then Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, and Dog cannot defeat the Blight on their own.

You only have three people with you at the final battle, too.  The others defend the gates in Origins rather than being dispersed in the city, but other than this the battle plays out exactly as it would have otherwise.

[cmessaz]

Sandtigress wrote...

Hey Steam people, how do I get the patch that came out today...?

Has it been released?

[Sandtigress]

cmessaz wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Hey Steam people, how do I get the patch that came out today...?

Has it been released?

The patch in general has been released, I have no idea how to check or know if its been released on Steam, which is why I'm asking!  

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 That's not strictly true. Zevran, Sten, Oghren, and Wynne are all in Denerim but Alistair only has Leliana, Morrigan, and Dog actually on his team. So if you're looking at it in terms of a team then Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, and Dog cannot defeat the Blight on their own.

You only have three people with you at the final battle, too.  The others defend the gates in Origins rather than being dispersed in the city, but other than this the battle plays out exactly as it would have otherwise.

And is anyone holding the gate in this version or can the darkspawn feel free to just swarm in? Instead of people thinking 'The Warden is being a Mary Sue for being able to win the final battle when Alistair can't' why isn't there any 'you know, it really doesn't make sense that Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan, and Dog managed to, by themselves, get to the final battle in the first place'?

[Addai]

Zyanic wrote...

So basically , Alistair couldn't do it (lead and kill the archdemon)  when his companions were Leliana ( thinks she had a vision from the Maker), Morrigan (despises Alistair) and a dog.( err... a dog).  I can believe that.

Well, it's really useless to treat the DSC as anything but a cheap knockoff with no story value, but to my mind it highlights things already in Origins, such as the many times that people emphasize that without the Warden- personally- nothing would have gotten done.  We are able to RP differently, but as far as the game treats the Warden's story, the NPCs end up all more interesting and have more depth and humanity (or, you know, dwarfanity or whatever).

Maybe MIKE HAWKE! will be the antithesis of this and be a fall-on-his-face loser or a tortured soul who nevertheless manages to become Champion of Kirkwall.  We shall see.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 juillet 2010 - 03:17 .

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 That's not strictly true. Zevran, Sten, Oghren, and Wynne are all in Denerim but Alistair only has Leliana, Morrigan, and Dog actually on his team. So if you're looking at it in terms of a team then Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, and Dog cannot defeat the Blight on their own.

You only have three people with you at the final battle, too.  The others defend the gates in Origins rather than being dispersed in the city, but other than this the battle plays out exactly as it would have otherwise.

And is anyone holding the gate in this version or can the darkspawn feel free to just swarm in? Instead of people thinking 'The Warden is being a Mary Sue for being able to win the final battle when Alistair can't' why isn't there any 'you know, it really doesn't make sense that Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan, and Dog managed to, by themselves, get to the final battle in the first place'?

But they do get to it, and the battle in the city does not appear any more pitched than in Origins.  There are still all the armies gathered, it's not as if those are your only forces.

[cmessaz]

Sandtigress wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Hey Steam people, how do I get the patch that came out today...?

Has it been released?

The patch in general has been released, I have no idea how to check or know if its been released on Steam, which is why I'm asking!  

It has?! I can't get to it!

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 That's not strictly true. Zevran, Sten, Oghren, and Wynne are all in Denerim but Alistair only has Leliana, Morrigan, and Dog actually on his team. So if you're looking at it in terms of a team then Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, and Dog cannot defeat the Blight on their own.

You only have three people with you at the final battle, too.  The others defend the gates in Origins rather than being dispersed in the city, but other than this the battle plays out exactly as it would have otherwise.

And is anyone holding the gate in this version or can the darkspawn feel free to just swarm in? Instead of people thinking 'The Warden is being a Mary Sue for being able to win the final battle when Alistair can't' why isn't there any 'you know, it really doesn't make sense that Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan, and Dog managed to, by themselves, get to the final battle in the first place'?

But they do get to it, and the battle in the city does not appear any more pitched than in Origins.  There are still all the armies gathered, it's not as if those are your only forces.

So we can accept the game telling us that, against all odds, Alistair and three others can get to the final battle in the first place without making him a Gary Stu but failing to ultimately win makes the PC a Mary Sue? 

[Sandtigress]

cmessaz wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Hey Steam people, how do I get the patch that came out today...?

Has it been released?

The patch in general has been released, I have no idea how to check or know if its been released on Steam, which is why I'm asking!  

It has?! I can't get to it!

Oh, wait, maybe it's not out yet.  Later today.

But the question still stands - Steam people, do I need to do anything to get it?

[SurelyForth]

Sandtigress wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Hey Steam people, how do I get the patch that came out today...?

Has it been released?

The patch in general has been released, I have no idea how to check or know if its been released on Steam, which is why I'm asking!  

I'm pretty sure Steam automatically downloads the update when you try to start your game.

I have to say, thank the Maker for this. It has a fix for profiles not updating, so I hope it works. However, if they take the Love glitch out of Awakening, I might be a bit  for a few days.

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Hey Steam people, how do I get the patch that came out today...?

Has it been released?

The patch in general has been released, I have no idea how to check or know if its been released on Steam, which is why I'm asking!  

I'm pretty sure Steam automatically downloads the update when you try to start your game.

I have to say, thank the Maker for this. It has a fix for profiles not updating, so I hope it works. However, if they take the Love glitch out of Awakening, I might be a bit  for a few days.

Anders never loved you!!! 



Um, ToP...



Alistair never loved you either!  Even though he loves you best...

Modifié par Sandtigress, 19 juillet 2010 - 03:30 .