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[MelRedux]

Addai67 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

i've only met 2 other people in my life with my name its that unusual (I hate it). People always mispronounce it, rarely spell it right because it has several different variations that all sound the same. Plus I am named after my old man which means its not very feminine either.

Mine is so easy to spell but people seem to want to complicate it.  Usually I'm Jeannie, but even when they try to spell Gina, it comes out Jeanna or some crazy thing. 

I almost had a heart attack, in a good way, when I heard an Italian say my name.  It was so sexy that I'd have tackled him, except, well, he was a priest.  This was prior to being married, you understand. 

I actually know at least 2 Ginas, and a Gino!

[Addai]

laradenton wrote...

Nah, it won't. If it's going to be out in 2011, it's going to be released at the end of the year, and they still have to announce it first. 

Well at least there is Fallout New Vegas in the interim.  But I do hope Bethsoft gets their act together on TES V.  That would make me happy.

DA2 has the same team as DA:O, so the chances are, that even with the changes, it's going to be a good game. 

Not all the same team, and similar things were said about ME2 and going by what people say in the DA2 forum the changes were not all good there.  Can't comment on Mass Effect since I hated it.

[Zjarcal]

Sandtigress wrote...

Hey Steam people, how do I get the patch that came out today...?

Go to the "Library" section and right click on your game and go to the properties section, then go to the "Updates" tab and make sure the option "Always keep this game up to date" is selected.

If that options is selected Steam will automatically download the patch, just as it's doing for me right now.

[cmessaz]

On TES5

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...
I saw someone say TES5 at the end of this year, but I highly doubt it. I read on wiki that it will take place in the Summerset Isle.

So an elven story line?  Double yay!!!

The voiced PC bothers me. I personally don't like mass effect and feel like they are trying to make Dragon Mass Age Effect. We shall see.

Mike Laidlaw said they're doing the voice work for the PCs now and how much time it takes and so forth.  And it just is annoying that they're spending so much time and money on something I not only could not care less about, that I think could ruin it.  It's a given that the game will be shorter and less re-playable than Origins (also because of the restrictions on CC versus Origins).

[cmessaz]

Restrictions on CC?

[Lara Denton]

cmessaz wrote...

On TES5

Ah, you did not realize the date of that post? "Thursday, 1 April, 2010 at 7:26 PST"

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
The term is used loosely.  Basically, without the Warden, the world was DOOOMED, and hence the sun shines out of the Hero of Ferelden's behind etc. 

How? Historically speaking, many victories and great achievements were based virtually on one man and a handful of followers. Why does that necessarily have to make them a Mary Sue? Just because the DLC showed that Alistair couldn't do it? 

It depends on how that character is RPed. Not the achievement in and of itself, which is not as Mary Suish as you'd think. You had an army with you, and strong NPC alies like Eamon, Bhelen / Harrowmont, Irving / Gregoir, Riordan...etc. And while our PCs had a lot of choices and power, they couldn't do whatever they want.

I have no problem thinking that Ferelden (not the world) would probably have been doomed without the Warden. And I have no problem saying that, without having a Mary Sue character. 

I once had a conversation that me facepalm.  We were discussing most important presidents.  I asserted that Washington takes the cake for me, simply because without him, things would have played out very differently.  She said that anyone could have done what Washington did, so he wasn't that important.

And then she proceeded to tell me Teddy Roosevelt was the most important because he created the National Parks system and no one else could have possibly done that. 

Anyways, I like to rp Wardens who are instrumental for victory, but, like errant said, still human.  You can still be a hero and need those around you and make mistakes.

Of course. You speak as if I don't make human characters. Considering how I base my canon on myself, that would be worrying. No where did I suggest that the Warden is or ought to be flawless.
The reason I hate Superman is because to me, he is like a Mary Sue, and the reason I love Batman is because he is flawed as hell. So no flawlessness from me.

@ Addai.
Every team needs a leader and every leader is instrumental to victory. That leader happened to be the Warden, while Alistair himself was the one to say that he was not a leader. But that was not my point, whether Alsitair can or can't do it, I couldn't care less about what ifs.
The point being, I dislike it when the Mary Sue brush is used indiscriminately. But you already know that frompast conversations  

[Addai]

laradenton wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

On TES5

Ah, you did not realize the date of that post? "Thursday, 1 April, 2010 at 7:26 PST"

You're saying it's an April Fool's? 

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

Restrictions on CC?

Character creation, basically the fact that we'll be limited to the "human commoner" origin.

[Lara Denton]

Addai67 wrote...

laradenton wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

On TES5

Ah, you did not realize the date of that post? "Thursday, 1 April, 2010 at 7:26 PST"

You're saying it's an April Fool's? 

Certainly.

What CC restrictions? ETA: Never mind, I read your explanation.

Modifié par laradenton, 19 juillet 2010 - 05:41 .

[cmessaz]

Hey, that's not the only place I have read about it though. I would go find links but I'm testing the patch out.

Edit: actually that article is a new one I had never read before.

Modifié par cmessaz, 19 juillet 2010 - 05:50 .

[cmessaz]

Anyway, IDK whats truth and whats not about TES5, but in the interest of staying on topic, have some Alistair.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
The term is used loosely.  Basically, without the Warden, the world was DOOOMED, and hence the sun shines out of the Hero of Ferelden's behind etc. 

How? Historically speaking, many victories and great achievements were based virtually on one man and a handful of followers. Why does that necessarily have to make them a Mary Sue? Just because the DLC showed that Alistair couldn't do it? 

It depends on how that character is RPed. Not the achievement in and of itself, which is not as Mary Suish as you'd think. You had an army with you, and strong NPC alies like Eamon, Bhelen / Harrowmont, Irving / Gregoir, Riordan...etc. And while our PCs had a lot of choices and power, they couldn't do whatever they want.

I have no problem thinking that Ferelden (not the world) would probably have been doomed without the Warden. And I have no problem saying that, without having a Mary Sue character. 

I once had a conversation that me facepalm.  We were discussing most important presidents.  I asserted that Washington takes the cake for me, simply because without him, things would have played out very differently.  She said that anyone could have done what Washington did, so he wasn't that important.

And then she proceeded to tell me Teddy Roosevelt was the most important because he created the National Parks system and no one else could have possibly done that. 

Anyways, I like to rp Wardens who are instrumental for victory, but, like errant said, still human.  You can still be a hero and need those around you and make mistakes.

Of course. You speak as if I don't make human characters. Considering how I base my canon on myself, that would be worrying. No where did I suggest that the Warden is or ought to be flawless.
The reason I hate Superman is because to me, he is like a Mary Sue, and the reason I love Batman is because he is flawed as hell. So no flawlessness from me.

Ah, no.  I didn't mean to apply that to you.  I was just speaking in general.  Though I did get a fortune cookie the other day that made me think of you:

"Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit." 

Also, Batman is awesome~!

[MelRedux]

Hmm....maybe for DA2 I'll call her Shayera Hawke

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

Hey, that's not the only place I have read about it though. I would go find links but I'm testing the patch out.

Edit: actually that article is a new one I had never read before.

Searching around, it does seem to have been an April Fool's joke.  *cries into my coffee*  And there was speculation that Bethesda was going to announce TES V at E3 this year.  Well, that has come and gone, sooo... maybe Comic Con??

C'mon Beth.  Give me something to be excited about!

[errant_knight]

Zyanic wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
The term is used loosely.  Basically, without the Warden, the world was DOOOMED, and hence the sun shines out of the Hero of Ferelden's behind etc. 

How? Historically speaking, many victories and great achievements were based virtually on one man and a handful of followers. Why does that necessarily have to make them a Mary Sue? Just because the DLC showed that Alistair couldn't do it? 

It depends on how that character is RPed. Not the achievement in and of itself, which is not as Mary Suish as you'd think. You had an army with you, and strong NPC alies like Eamon, Bhelen / Harrowmont, Irving / Gregoir, Riordan...etc. And while our PCs had a lot of choices and power, they couldn't do whatever they want.

I have no problem thinking that Ferelden (not the world) would probably have been doomed without the Warden. And I have no problem saying that, without having a Mary Sue character. 

I would emphasize that you have a team, yet the game treats it as if you personally ended the Blight.  If we treat DSC seriously (which is a fallacious thing to do, but since we're doing it, I'll continue the exercise), the same team can be present and it all goes pear-shaped because one person wasn't at the final battle.

Ok, so I really probably shouldn't get into this discussion, but I shall anyway.
You could choose to look at it as though it wasn't going pear shaped because of the lack of one person ( the warden) because of the person, but maybe being the only grey warden, and the only survivor of ostagar really messed with Alistair's head.  None of his other companions would have known duncan for example, so the chances of them asking if he wanted to talk about his loss would be slim. Even if they did ask later,  he'd have spent the entire journey to Lothering with Morrigan berating him for his sorrow. I'd imagine that could have a detrimental effect on the poor boy.
Also it wasn't really the same team, as far as I can tell  Wynne never joined the wardens, instead journeying from the circle to help fight in the battle, so her relationship with Alistair in which she acts as a sort of mother/grandmother figure never happened. You can apply that to all the companions who aren't on the roof as I think the codex implies they just happened to find their way to the battle through various chains of events.

So basically , Alistair couldn't do it (lead and kill the archdemon)  when his companions were Leliana ( thinks she had a vision from the Maker), Morrigan (despises Alistair) and a dog.( err... a dog).  I can believe that.



Edit: Bah! Sarah beat me to it  and used much less words.

The big problem with looking at it like that--although I'm sure that Alistair would be seriously messed up by being the ONLY surviving warden, and being forced into a position of leadership before he can get his head around the idea that he might actually be kind of good at it, is that the DLC has him making decisions that he has moral objections to in the main game. It makes him a different person. People's intrinsic morals aren't that malleable. In the game, Alistair says that he thinks siding with Zathrian against the Lady is wrong, in no uncertain terms, yet he does it in the DLC. Morrigan has very specific reasons for joining the party, and none of them have to do with 'lolz.'

Not only are they utterly dependent on the warden, but they aren't even the same people without him/her.

[errant_knight]

Zyanic wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

The big problem with looking at it like that--although I'm sure that Alistair would be seriously messed up by being the ONLY surviving warden, and being forced into a position of leadership before he can get his head around the idea that he might actually be kind of good at it, is that the DLC has him making decisions that he has moral objections to in the main game. It makes him a different person. People's intrinsic morals aren't that malleable. In the game, Alistair says that he thinks siding with Zathrian against the Lady is wrong, in no uncertain terms, yet he does it in the DLC. Morrigan has very specific reasons for joining the party, and none of them have to do with 'lolz.'

Not only are they utterly dependent on the warden, but they aren't even the same people without him/her.

I think I was just trying to point out an alternative way of looking at it other than the warden=mary sue. ( an expression I'd never even heard before these boards)
I personally think the 'story' as it was in DSC was nonsense, for all the reasons you just said. I'm not sure if I already pointed out the oddness of his choice of allies, i meant to somewhere in some conversation if I didn't do it here.  I don't think that nessecarily means that the warden was uber mega awesome though.
Hell, maybe Morrigan picked the allies, perhaps Alistair in his unwillingness to lead was steamrollered by her evil ways?

That would mean that he was really weak enough to let someone he loathed and disagreed with about absolutely everything, lead. I think we see from his reaction to the idea of sparing Loghain that he's not that weak. He lets the Warden lead because he lacks confidence, and because she, too, is a warden--one who is not that junior to him. Letting someone he thinks is a potentially evil maleficar lead, well, that's something else entirely.

I don't think the warden has to be a Mary-Sue, by any means, but I do think the DLC make one out of him/her by the implications of the results of the warden's absence.

Note: If you hadn't heard the term 'Mary-Sue' before, and you haven't already, you simply must read the TV Tropes entry. Like everything else on TV tropes, it's very amusing. Likewise, a google search for 'Mary Sue' yields some hysterical results.
http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/MarySue

Modifié par errant_knight, 19 juillet 2010 - 07:48 .

[Finiffa]

Alistair hugs!

[mellifera]

Lulz, Alistair is stuck like this in my game right now -

[errant_knight]

I can't take any pictures until I fix my armor mod... The PC isn't looking so good.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Of course. You speak as if I don't make human characters. Considering how I base my canon on myself, that would be worrying. No where did I suggest that the Warden is or ought to be flawless.
The reason I hate Superman is because to me, he is like a Mary Sue, and the reason I love Batman is because he is flawed as hell. So no flawlessness from me.

Ah, no.  I didn't mean to apply that to you.  I was just speaking in general.  Though I did get a fortune cookie the other day that made me think of you:

"Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit." 

Being the religious person that I am, I am fully aware of that.

[Sandtigress]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Hey Steam people, how do I get the patch that came out today...?

Go to the "Library" section and right click on your game and go to the properties section, then go to the "Updates" tab and make sure the option "Always keep this game up to date" is selected.

If that options is selected Steam will automatically download the patch, just as it's doing for me right now.

So I loaded up the game, but how do I know if it downloaded thep atch or not?  lol  I fell like such a n00b...normally I can figure these things out on my own!!!!


Ack...of course my first post in hours would be a ToP!



Hang on Alistair, I'm trying to play to get more screenshots of you!

Modifié par Sandtigress, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:12 .