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[Bratt1204]

Zyanic wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I know most people here are huge Alistair fans, of course, but...all this freaking out because Alistair probably won't be in DA2? Is he really the only reason you guys are playing the game?

No, I didn't even know he existed before I got the game and was surprised as hell to find there were romances in it. I'm not bothered about him being in DA2 really, but I think we just grew attached to all the characters and would like to see their stories continue considering the, in my opinion, unsatifactory epilougue for Awakenings and several hints that our warden's story wasn't over.
If my warden's story was to continue and there was no Alistair/ Morrigan then yeah, I'd be a bit miffed but I wouldn't say freaked out really. It's a game. If I don't like it I won't play it, If I do I will, Simples

Edit: actually, yeah I kind of don't want him to be in DA2 considering what I've seen so far.

Agreed.

[Bratt1204]

sabreene wrote...

<3<3

[sabreene]

SurelyForth wrote...

sabreene wrote...
While I like Zevran & Leli, I felt like they made their characters somewhat broken in regards to sex. They both had had been used young, and later used sex itself as a weapon, and as such, whether their object was male or female was no different. Alistair's love story had it's own flaws, too.

I would actually like to see some sort of grown-up love story between the characters, a coming together of equals., with both characters sure of who they are.

I think that there could be this potential with Anders, which is why it's frustrating that he's not an LI. He's not really damaged. He's confident and stable and pretty much only has a bee in his bonnet about the way mages are treated, but he's not militant about it. He also has a healthy attitude towards sex that seems to be just that- it's fun and he likes it. He's not a dog about it like Oghren, he hardly even flirts with Velanna and his flirtations with the female Warden are polite. If there was an LI like that in DA2, I'd be all over it. 

 

My thoughts exactly!

[Addai]

sabreene wrote...
While I like Zevran & Leli, I felt like they made their characters somewhat broken in regards to sex. They both had had been used young, and later used sex itself as a weapon, and as such, whether their object was male or female was no different. Alistair's love story had it's own flaws, too.

Ah, I see.  I think they all have brokenness in regards to relationships and sex, though.  That seems more true to life, and also more interesting.  Like Zevran says, people in stories aren't the product of happy lives.  Anyway that's my take.

[Khalara]

Zyanic wrote...

All the excitement of twittering and Mel  Screenshots combined with little sleep and waking up early has made me tired, I am going for a nap/ sleep  depending on when I wake up



I'm taking Alistair.

Have a nice sleep.

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

I think that there could be this potential with Anders, which is why it's frustrating that he's not an LI. He's not really damaged. He's confident and stable and pretty much only has a bee in his bonnet about the way mages are treated, but he's not militant about it. He also has a healthy attitude towards sex that seems to be just that- it's fun and he likes it. He's not a dog about it like Oghren, he hardly even flirts with Velanna and his flirtations with the female Warden are polite. If there was an LI like that in DA2, I'd be all over it. 

 

See I'm not sure where you get all this, because Anders is pretty much a blank slate to me, as are all the Awakening companions.  I found his character a bit cliche' to be honest.  Mage vs. templars etc.  Also the fact that he doesn't flirt with the PC I'm sure is bound more by game mechanics than anything- they steered all the Awakening peeps away from that since they didn't want to create carryover expectations from Origins.  Maybe I'm just cynical about Awakening.

[Addai]

Zyanic wrote...

@ grumpy,
I was gonna post in response to your original Zev comment but I went off on a rant and thought better of it. I think Leliana's romance was a lot more natural than Zevran's although I haven't ever played as a Male PC romancing Zev, I didn't realise he still told you he preferred women.  By more natural  I mean she didn't seem to see the need to point out that she liked women or men to you.  If I can remember rightly the PC was the one to question her over whether she was interested in a romantic fashion ( from  female PC anyway, again never managed to play a male past getting Morrigan in the tent)  and then either shoot her down or return the interest. Been a while since I successfully romanced either of them though ( see earlier thread comment)
Anyway the reason I got all ranty earlier was that I really don't see why  any kind of gender barriers should be put on the love interests in a single player game if the romances are going to be in it at all, What difference does it make, really?

I have of course worded that terribly.

My point was that it made them more realistic characters.  Some people are just straight.  Otherwise it's like the criticism you often hear that it's just a dating sim rather than a story you are part of.  If the companions are infinitely malleable, they are not "real."

Leliana seems to prefer women, too, or that's my impression.  I really think it's the male heterosexual players who got the short end of the stick in DAO.    Although I think a lot of people convince themselves that Leliana is a nice, sweet, girl next door (who just happens to have been an assassin).

I like Morrigan's romance.  There again, the limits are refreshing.  She will not do the threesome come hell or high water.  I squee'ed at her "if you come back stinking of sea water I'll never touch you again... I do not share."  My kind of girl. 

[Addai]

Did I kill the thread?    Have an Alistair.

[Sarah1281]

By more natural I mean she didn't seem to see the need to point out that she liked women or men to you.

Neither does Zevran from what I can remember. If you say 'You must have quite a history, with women I mean' then he asks if you're sure you want to talk about this and if you persist he explains that he's bisexual. He knows that's not very accepted in Ferelden but he was raised to take pleasure where he could. He's not jumping in to say 'But I'm mostly into girls!' but he just casually asks 'Do I prefer women?' and then responds that he does. If he does have a preference, why not mention it when you're the one who brings up the subject and asks him about liking other men?

[Khalara]

going to go play abit.. and take more yummy screenshots..

Alistair hugs....



later all.

[Miri1984]

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I think that there could be this potential with Anders, which is why it's frustrating that he's not an LI. He's not really damaged. He's confident and stable and pretty much only has a bee in his bonnet about the way mages are treated, but he's not militant about it. He also has a healthy attitude towards sex that seems to be just that- it's fun and he likes it. He's not a dog about it like Oghren, he hardly even flirts with Velanna and his flirtations with the female Warden are polite. If there was an LI like that in DA2, I'd be all over it. 

 

See I'm not sure where you get all this, because Anders is pretty much a blank slate to me, as are all the Awakening companions.  I found his character a bit cliche' to be honest.  Mage vs. templars etc.  Also the fact that he doesn't flirt with the PC I'm sure is bound more by game mechanics than anything- they steered all the Awakening peeps away from that since they didn't want to create carryover expectations from Origins.  Maybe I'm just cynical about Awakening.

I don't find Anders a blank slate at all - and actually I'm a big fan of the Awakenings characters. That they managed to pack so much character development into so short a game amazes me no end. Sigrun and Nathaniel are both amazing. Justice and Velanna - not so much - they're just stereotypes, but the other three new characters all added something I couldn't turn away from. 

I also like Oghren in Awakenings - he's a real tragic figure and heartbreaking in a lot of ways. I always make sure I do his personal quest.

I like to think Anders is what Alistair would have been if he'd not been so broken by his past. Although Alistair does a pretty darn good job of being awesome in any case. 

[tuppence95]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I know most people here are huge Alistair fans, of course, but...all this freaking out because Alistair probably won't be in DA2? Is he really the only reason you guys are playing the game?

I'm not really freaking out about it.  I guess it's just leftover Awakening frustration.  It likely wouldn't even be very satisfying seeing Alistair in DA2, since my warden character won't be there.  At the end of my first game, those two were supposed to be off rebuilding the Grey Wardens together.  She got into Awakening and it was like ... "Helloooo, here I am ... I'm here rebuilding the grey wardens, but where is my partner???"  No sign of him.  Not even a letter!  I was so ... :devil:

So I'm still holding a little grudge for my first warden's story being left hanging.  But I'll also remain in a wait-and-see mode for DA2.  I'll probably buy it, and trust that Gaider & Co. will give us a story that I'll love.  Whether or not I'll still be enthralled with it after almost 8 months of playing remains to be seen.  Like most of you, it'll partially depend on how hard it is for me to get used to a voiced character.  I think it will also heavily depend of the release of a toolset.  I really doubt that I'd still be playing Origins if it wasn't for the mods.

[tuppence95]

 Eek!  An offering for kiling the thread.

[Kryyptehk]

tuppence95 wrote...

 Eek!  An offering for kiling the thread.

You are not a true Alistairian until you have killed the thread. Welcome to the club

[errant_knight]

Yankee23 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 Hi again, Alistairians.  I faded back into lurking mode again because I mostly read the forum on my iphone and I still can't type on that damn thing.

But I had to resurface to ask if anyone saw this topic?  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3250593/1  Check out Sheryl Chee's post.  Am I reading too much into what she said?  Only a few people connected it to Alistair.  Keeping my fingers crossed.

I saw that too. I think she was just being a wise a** (Alistair reference intended or not). It would be cool if she did mean Alistair, though.

Holy crap. This posted itself before I wrote anything.... Anyhoo....Pretty sure her sense of humor might run to posting something random and watching people tie themselves in knots. On the other hand, there have been other non-official statements--hearsay, really, that would seem to indicate a cameo at least fot Alistair. But then, Steve Valentine knows nothing about it, so.... Who knows?

It wouldn't be a bad idea to throw a bone to the die hard fans, though, given that so many of the changes are unwelcome, and an appearance/plotline dealing with the ruler of Ferelden, whoever that might be, would be a tasty bone.

Modifié par errant_knight, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:02 .

[Addai]

Miri1984 wrote...


I don't find Anders a blank slate at all - and actually I'm a big fan of the Awakenings characters. That they managed to pack so much character development into so short a game amazes me no end. Sigrun and Nathaniel are both amazing. Justice and Velanna - not so much - they're just stereotypes, but the other three new characters all added something I couldn't turn away from.

I dunno, I'm glad this is the case for others, but I've played Awakening numerous times and am usually attuned to story and it left me pretty flat.  I like the characters, just doesn't feel like they are developed at all.

I also like Oghren in Awakenings - he's a real tragic figure and heartbreaking in a lot of ways. I always make sure I do his personal quest.

I was saying somewhere else today... oh, somewhere in Community... that even though his story is sad, it felt like something that might well have happened so I was glad they didn't make everything happy-go-lucky.

I like to think Anders is what Alistair would have been if he'd not been so broken by his past. Although Alistair does a pretty darn good job of being awesome in any case. 

I don't see this at all, but again, I don't feel like I have much to compare Alistair to.

Modifié par Addai67, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:19 .

[Yankee23]

errant_knight wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 Hi again, Alistairians.  I faded back into lurking mode again because I mostly read the forum on my iphone and I still can't type on that damn thing.

But I had to resurface to ask if anyone saw this topic?  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3250593/1  Check out Sheryl Chee's post.  Am I reading too much into what she said?  Only a few people connected it to Alistair.  Keeping my fingers crossed.

I saw that too. I think she was just being a wise a** (Alistair reference intended or not). It would be cool if she did mean Alistair, though.

Holy crap. This posted itself before I wrote anything.... Anyhoo....Pretty sure her sense of humor might run to posting something random and watching people tie themselves in knots. On the other hand, there have been other non-official statements--hearsay, really, that would seem to indicate a cameo at least fot Alistair. But then, Steve Valentine knows nothing about it, so.... Who knows?

It wouldn't be a bad idea to throw a bone to the die hard fans, though, given that so many of the changes are unwelcome, and an appearance/plotline dealing with the ruler of Ferelden, whoever that might be, would be a tasty bone.

It doesn't have to be out of the relm of possibility. The game spans 10 yrs, in  the roughly one year the warden spent between Ostagar and archie we heard about the rulers of other lands repeatedly and Hawke is from Ferelden. I would find it harder to believe in 10 yrs we would hear nothing of Fereldens ruler.

[Yankee23]

Addai67 wrote...

I dunno, I'm glad this is the case for others, but I've played Awakening numerous times and am usually attuned to story and it left me pretty flat.  I like the characters, just doesn't feel like they are developed at all.

This.

It was very short and I didn't feel there was enough time to get to know any of them.  Plus I only played Awakenings once on the Xbox and with the bugs I couldn't finish Oghren's quest and I never got Sigrun's.

[Miri1984]

Yankee23 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I dunno, I'm glad this is the case for others, but I've played Awakening numerous times and am usually attuned to story and it left me pretty flat.  I like the characters, just doesn't feel like they are developed at all.

This.

It was very short and I didn't feel there was enough time to get to know any of them.  Plus I only played Awakenings once on the Xbox and with the bugs I couldn't finish Oghren's quest and I never got Sigrun's.

I think the game experience is very different to Origins. Awakenings was in a way more suited to me because by the time I got it I only had time for short bursts of play (never more than an hour) so it didn't seem short to me at all. Also I spent a long time mucking about with runes and things. It did END very abruptly I found. And the bugs were annoying. But otherwise I thought it was great. I also reloaded a lot of conversations once I found the conversation points and chose all the options, so I suppose getting to know the characters better was one of the main reasons I played. I was so ready to hate them all because I knew there would be no Alistair that I was pretty darn pleasantly surprised that I didn't.

Haven't played it with the new patch yet and probably won't for a long time as I'm trying to get a dwarf Commoner through Origins, but it will be interesting to see if it makes the experience any better for me.

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...


I don't find Anders a blank slate at all - and actually I'm a big fan of the Awakenings characters. That they managed to pack so much character development into so short a game amazes me no end. Sigrun and Nathaniel are both amazing. Justice and Velanna - not so much - they're just stereotypes, but the other three new characters all added something I couldn't turn away from.

I dunno, I'm glad this is the case for others, but I've played Awakening numerous times and am usually attuned to story and it left me pretty flat.  I like the characters, just doesn't feel like they are developed at all.

I also like Oghren in Awakenings - he's a real tragic figure and heartbreaking in a lot of ways. I always make sure I do his personal quest.

I was saying somewhere else today... oh, somewhere in Community... that even though his story is sad, it felt like something that might well have happened so I was glad they didn't make everything happy-go-lucky.

I like to think Anders is what Alistair would have been if he'd not been so broken by his past. Although Alistair does a pretty darn good job of being awesome in any case. 

I don't see this at all, but again, I don't feel like I have much to compare Alistair to.

I don't think of Alistair as 'broken' in the slightest. He's pretty darn resilient, and he's confident in all ways except for leadership/looking out for his interests--astonishingly confident romantically, considering how sheltered he's been. As for the leadership aspect, he's never been encouraged to think of himself that way, but it's clearly natural to him, as shown by the way he stands up for his beliefs when you go against them, or the unwavering way he goes after justice for the wardens. He's inclined to put duty ahead of himself, but that's not a bad quality in a leader, and is mitigated by the mere suggestion that he might want to consider that. All he needs is the encouragement he never got growing up. If he was actually broken, it would take a heck of a lot more than that.

[okiness]

On Alistair being like Anders if he was not so damaged:



I disagree, wholly. For this to make sense we would need Anders to be untouched and unscathed. He is not this, he is bound to a life he does not want and has been running from it his whole life. Alistair was bound in the same situation and instead of running he accepted it. Their personalities are fundamentally different and all they share is a good sense of humor, but even though Alistair has never been loved the way he wanted he still believes in the good that can be in the world. He is naive, even, and is forced to grow and change himself. But is he weak, broken? No, he is just optimistic and not prepared to sacrifice to smaller good for the greater good. Anders will make slightly less positive choices simply because he wants too. Their lives are very similar, in a way. Here you have two characters both put in a place where they dont wish to be that was chosen for them. They reacted differently, they grew differently, and they are different.

[errant_knight]

okiness wrote...

On Alistair being like Anders if he was not so damaged:

I disagree, wholly. For this to make sense we would need Anders to be untouched and unscathed. He is not this, he is bound to a life he does not want and has been running from it his whole life. Alistair was bound in the same situation and instead of running he accepted it. Their personalities are fundamentally different and all they share is a good sense of humor, but even though Alistair has never been loved the way he wanted he still believes in the good that can be in the world. He is naive, even, and is forced to grow and change himself. But is he weak, broken? No, he is just optimistic and not prepared to sacrifice to smaller good for the greater good. Anders will make slightly less positive choices simply because he wants too. Their lives are very similar, in a way. Here you have two characters both put in a place where they dont wish to be that was chosen for them. They reacted differently, they grew differently, and they are different.

Yeah, I agree. I see them a two very different characters. They both have a sense of humor, but I don't even see that as being the same. Anders's is darker (ie. when he jokes about the sounds that the templar makes when dying). Both are sarcastic, but it has a different tone for each.