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[tmp7704]

cmessaz wrote...

alistair_main1 which was also checked out. alistair_main1  contained only "root" but it would not let me delete it.

Can't delete things when they're checked out, have to check them back in first.

Oh and these screenshots reminded me, something mildly useful when you get things working again -- that line of dialogue which stays during the cutscene. Possible way to clear it (since the game displays the last line NPC uttered) could be to attach an blank line by Alistair to the player's choice and only then follow it up with the the cutscene activation and stuff. Well, in theory anyway

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

sleepingbelow wrote...
I think it is the ultimatums.  People play games often to express fantasies of control, of being in important, and in charge. 

It's too late at night for me to express anything really coherent, but this seems valid.  Like the fact that a lot of people have "slap Morrigan" mods.  I realize it's fun, and that I'm just constitutionally not able to laugh at a man slapping a woman even in a game.  But it does seem to me to be about someone challenging your status as a little god.  It seems that many people play their PCs as completely badass and without fault.

If he had provided a rational explanation and argument for his position, I would have considered it. But he offers me no rational reason to agree with him whatsoever (emotional outbursts are not pertinent arguments). On the contrary, his behaviour is strengthening my position if anything else.
Morrigan and Sten on the otherhand actually try to have some arguments when they challenge us. 

Anyway, that is all I wanted to say. 

@ cmezzas, lol no wonder why you couldn't find  your folder 
 

[cmessaz]

tmp7704 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

alistair_main1 which was also checked out. alistair_main1  contained only "root" but it would not let me delete it.

Can't delete things when they're checked out, have to check them back in first.

Oh and these screenshots reminded me, something mildly useful when you get things working again -- that line of dialogue which stays during the cutscene. Possible way to clear it (since the game displays the last line NPC uttered) could be to attach an blank line by Alistair to the player's choice and only then follow it up with the the cutscene activation and stuff. Well, in theory anyway

Yeah, sorry. I did check it back in. It wouldn't delete it, but I honestly can't remember exactly what it said.
 There is a thought. Why didn't I think of that. I will try if I can get this running again.

Modifié par cmessaz, 20 avril 2010 - 06:39 .

[Thor Rand Al]

nranola wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

I like those, the bottom 1 I really like.  Did you like put a tint too them

Yeah, just to balance the colors out. And since I didn't edit the post in time, here's another one. Green on the inner edges, purple on the outer edges... if that makes sense. '8D

It does make sense, I've just been goofing around with psp and I've been thinking about putting my favorite screenshots with different bg's

[Thor Rand Al]

Hey cmessaz, sorry to hear you've had a rough day.

Huggz 

[Addai]

Alright, one more screenie from me and then I have to hit the hay.  Night all.  Good luck, cmessaz.  Don't stress about it, you'll figure it out.

[sleepingbelow]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Don't worry, as long as I refrain, that won't happen.

This thread is now about fun and I, Loghain's number 1 fan, proudly say this is one of my favorite threads and I love everyone in it.

So yea, cool post, don't agree with it. Now let's have fun.

I totally have mad love for Loghain.  I just want reconcile Loghain love with Alistair love, even it is like beer and milkshakes.  Both are awesome but you can't have both at the same time, despite what your friend who lives in the Northwest tells you about this one microbrewery that does it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

Alright, one more screenie from me and then I have to hit the hay.  Night all.  Good luck, cmessaz.  Don't stress about it, you'll figure it out.

Morrigan

Goodnight! And thanks for showing us Morrigan. I knew you cared

[cmessaz]

KoP you wanna hear something funny? I lost it again. I closed it out on accident and can't figure out where I found it. (I used windows search in the first place) So now I have to turn indexes on again. Too much of a pain in the butt.

[KnightofPhoenix]

cmessaz wrote...

KoP you wanna hear something funny? I lost it again. I closed it out on accident and can't figure out where I found it. (I used windows search in the first place) So now I have to turn indexes on again. Too much of a pain in the butt.

Eeek. Maybe you should make a shortcut of this folder on your desktop.

[nranola]

@sleepingbelow- I agree with you for most of what you wrote. The Landsmeet was definitely the biggest reality check in the game. It shows you that despite being the "hero", you can't have everything you want. Everything you do has its consequences. And you definitely can't have the love of your life and the man he despises the most stand side by side in battle just because you say so. It sucks, but hey, that's life.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Goodnight! And thanks for showing us Morrigan. I knew you cared

Hey, I have an HNM who's romancing Morrigan and I was posting in her complaint thread.  It didn't really turn into a squee thread, though.  I guess male players don't squee.  LOL  She's also my female PCs' BFF.



Alright, now I'm going to bed.  Right now.  Right... now.

[cmessaz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

KoP you wanna hear something funny? I lost it again. I closed it out on accident and can't figure out where I found it. (I used windows search in the first place) So now I have to turn indexes on again. Too much of a pain in the butt.

Eeek. Maybe you should make a shortcut of this folder on your desktop.

Or just clean up my mess of files on the desktop. Then save crap like this there for when I feel mentally challenged.

[cmessaz]

Stupid question. What is the definition of squee?

[Serissia]

sleepingbelow wrote...
I kind of wanted to run a hypothesis through the pro-Alistair crew about anti-Alistair folks.  I'm worried this is going to sound like I'm putting words in other peoples' mouths.  Albeit ones that are likely not here.  I really just want to think out loud in front of people who usually side with Alistair before I even consider bringing it up with people that don't.  Stop reading if you find this is something that's already been said.

Anywho.

It seems like most people who try to spare Loghain and end up getting angry at Alistair refer to his actions as a childish hissy fit.  Well, he doesn't draw steel.  He doesn't call names.  He does lay out ultimatums.  He's not going to fight next to Loghain, period.  Despite what some people think, the Warden is not the boss of Alistair.  There's no command structure.  He's not betraying a Queen or King.  At that moment, nobody even knows who is in charge yet, it is still being worked out.  Government is in limbo.

I think it is the ultimatums.  People play games often to express fantasies of control, of being in important, and in charge.  Morrigan can minus twelve all she wants, the player can just roll their eyes and buy her something pretty later.  The Landsmeet is one of the few times a companion straight up says, "No."  Which I imagine is like a bucket of cold water in the face.  Most things and characters in the game that say, "No" and don't listen to you get dead real quick.  So players probably ask themselves why the heck is their love interest/best buddy buying a ticket to Murderedville?  This reaction must be overblown.  Somebody is at fault.  It is not me, so it must be them.

One of the few other examples I can think of is when Sten challenges you for leadership, and I know people who've gotten that event and flipped their sauce.  Even though at the end of that, Sten buckles. 

I think a lot of people really hate being told "no" in a computer game.  You might've noticed that guys that REALLY like the Morrigan romance often OBSESS over getting the "right" epilogues, ie feeling her regret through her magic ring, being able to chase after her at the end of Awakenings.  I think it is because they want to veto her "no".  Like suddenly they can make it mean "Yes, I will stay with you, and we can raise our Gozar baby together!"  Dudes, she said no.  I would like to qualify that I'm a HUGE fan of the Morrigan romance.  I sort of think the option to chase her is a little creepy.

I'm suggesting that it comes down to some people not being able to give up control.  Not in a computer game where you're supposed to be the hero who everybody listens to.

I see this weird definition of love getting trotted out by Alistair detractors.  Where if Alistair "truly" loved the Warden, he would never leave.  If I'm understanding this correctly, having a view like that seems unhealthy.  Having "true love" does not mean that you can't crash your heart into a glacier and sink it Titanic-style.  Doing some things, refusing to make certain compromises, crossing specific lines will make a relationship crash and burn.  Sometimes people say no.

Anyway, I'm just bouncing ideas around.  My intention is CERTAINLY not to start another Alistair v. Loghain war again, so I hope that doesn't happen.  Also not to offend people with my conjectures which might sound like my convictions.   I just wanted to throw some things out there.  Go ahead and tell me off if this strikes you as crazy wrong and that I'm definitely projecting things that aren't there.

EDIT-- I really hope you guys don't mind me posting this here, but you were the audience that I wanted feed back from first.

I'm TEAM Alistair all the way but to be brutally honest that aspect of the Landsmeet has always irritated me.  To quote Duncan "I am sorry, but a Grey Warden's duties take precedence even over venegence."; this is a lession that Alistair never seems able to grasp.  Alistair's idea of what it means to be a Warden is a bit off from the truth of the situation.  Regardless if the Warden is a protector of the people or an ender of Blights, the Wardens do what they must.  There are only three Grey Wardens present in Ferelden at that point and it is in the Wardens best interest to bolster their numbers by any means possible. 

Unfortunately the game doesn't allow for this so, I just end up letting Alistair run Loghain through.  It's the second best option in my opinion since it mimics what Maric did to Katriel when he found out she was a traitor. 

[Serissia]

cmessaz wrote...

Stupid question. What is the definition of squee?

Squee A noise primarily made by an over-excited fangirl, however it has spread rapidly and is now widely spread among the web community.

Modifié par Serissia, 20 avril 2010 - 06:50 .

[Xandurpein]

sleepingbelow wrote...

I think it is the ultimatums.  People play games often to express fantasies of control, of being in important, and in charge.  Morrigan can minus twelve all she wants, the player can just roll their eyes and buy her something pretty later.  The Landsmeet is one of the few times a companion straight up says, "No."  Which I imagine is like a bucket of cold water in the face.  Most things and characters in the game that say, "No" and don't listen to you get dead real quick.  So players probably ask themselves why the heck is their love interest/best buddy buying a ticket to Murderedville?  This reaction must be overblown.  Somebody is at fault.  It is not me, so it must be them.

I think that is part of the problem, yes. I also think that it's in the whole nature of the Landsmeet choice. You are more or less conditioned in the game to pick up any stray character you can and recruit him/her. Now however, you cannot choose to keep both Alistair and Loghain. This polarizes the experience and also gives you a sense of loss of control. You need to tell yourself that your choice was the only viable one, that the alternative was unthinkable.

sleepingbelow wrote...

EDIT-- I really hope you guys don't mind me posting this here, but you were the audience that I wanted feed back from first.

Hopefully the ladies will cut us some slack. Too much Alistair adoration can make a guy a little insecure and tempt him to derail the thread ever so llittle...

[cmessaz]

Serissia wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Stupid question. What is the definition of squee?

Squee A noise primarily made by an over-excited fangirl, however it has spread rapidly and is now widely spread among the web community.

Oh. Ok then!

So, I'm screenshot challenged, my forum vocabulary is small, I'm now toolset illiterate, and I lost my override folder. I don't feel so great right now.
And I've lost all my DA characters twice this month alone.

Modifié par cmessaz, 20 avril 2010 - 06:56 .

[sleepingbelow]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

sleepingbelow wrote...
I think it is the ultimatums.  People play games often to express fantasies of control, of being in important, and in charge. 

It's too late at night for me to express anything really coherent, but this seems valid.  Like the fact that a lot of people have "slap Morrigan" mods.  I realize it's fun, and that I'm just constitutionally not able to laugh at a man slapping a woman even in a game.  But it does seem to me to be about someone challenging your status as a little god.  It seems that many people play their PCs as completely badass and without fault.

If he had provided a rational explanation and argument for his position, I would have considered it. But he offers me no rational reason to agree with him whatsoever (emotional outbursts are not pertinent arguments). On the contrary, his behaviour is strengthening my position if anything else.
Morrigan and Sten on the otherhand actually try to have some arguments when they challenge us. 

Anyway, that is all I wanted to say. 

 

@Addai.  Yeah.  Slap Morrigan mods are kinda gross.

@KnightofPhoenix.  Ooookay.  I will likely try this somewhere else, because I'm a little surprised to already be getting buzzrhetoric like "no rationale" already.  But I would like to point out that if you read that post, it wasn't an argument at all.  It was an attempt to intuit a certain emotional response that I felt I was seeing.  Admittedly, I made a conditional comment that if genuine, I thought this behavior would be unhealthy.  You obviously feel you don't fall into that group.  I wasn't challenging you.  I was suggesting such a group exists on these forums.  I also wasn't attempting an argument.  I was attempting to understand the pathos of said group's rhetoric.  It was a tentative hypothesis to be tested by a little discussion.  See if anybody else also felt like this was happening.

Modifié par sleepingbelow, 20 avril 2010 - 06:59 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xandurpein wrote...

sleepingbelow wrote...

EDIT-- I really hope you guys don't mind me posting this here, but you were the audience that I wanted feed back from first.

Hopefully the ladies will cut us some slack. Too much Alistair adoration can make a guy a little insecure and tempt him to derail the thread ever so llittle...

Are you implying something? Because I have been the single greatest derailer of this thread

[cmessaz]

Awww, do you feel a little insecure KoP?

[KnightofPhoenix]

sleepingbelow wrote...
@KnightofPhoenix.  Ooookay.  I will likely try this somewhere else, because I'm a little surprised to already begetting buzzrhetoric like "no rationale" already.  But I would like to point out that if you read that post, it wasn't an argument at all.  It was an attempt to intuit a certain emotional response that I felt I was seeing.  Admittedly, I made a conditional comment that if genuine, I thought this behavior would be unhealthy.  You obviously feel you don't fall into that group.  I wasn't challenging you.  I was suggesting such a group exists on these forums.  I also wasn't attempting an argument.  I was attempting to understand the pathos of said group's rhetoric.  It was a tentative hypothesis to be tested by a little discussion.  See if anybody also felt like this was happening.  RCFTL.

I was not talking about you. I was talking about Alistair
He provided no rational argument when he challenged me. He just let an emotional outburst, which I rarely appreciate (especialyl not from a guy).

[sleepingbelow]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I was not talking about you. I was talking about Alistair
He provided no rational argument when he challenged me. He just let an emotional outburst, which I rarely appreciate (especialyl not from a guy).

My bad.

EDIT:  Yeah, I imagine on this thread saying "he" you can always assume you're referring to one specific dude.

Modifié par sleepingbelow, 20 avril 2010 - 07:01 .

[mellifera]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

sleepingbelow wrote...

EDIT-- I really hope you guys don't mind me posting this here, but you were the audience that I wanted feed back from first.

Hopefully the ladies will cut us some slack. Too much Alistair adoration can make a guy a little insecure and tempt him to derail the thread ever so llittle...

Are you implying something? Because I have been the single greatest derailer of this thread

Nudes?

...... I mean, what?

[KnightofPhoenix]

cmessaz wrote...

Awww, do you feel a little insecure KoP?

No....I just wan to be loved tis all *puts hands behind back and look on the floor*