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[Herr Uhl]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

A drunk, angry, PTSD plauged, guy who hasent been sober in months would make a good companion?

Oghren did.

[Giggles_Manically]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

A drunk, angry, PTSD plauged, guy who hasent been sober in months would make a good companion?

Oghren did.

I dont think Oghern suffered PTSD and he wasent hung up about not getting revenge.

[Herr Uhl]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

A drunk, angry, PTSD plauged, guy who hasent been sober in months would make a good companion?

Oghren did.

I dont think Oghern suffered PTSD and he wasent hung up about not getting revenge.

He was unable to adapt to society after being in the army though. Hence why he wants to join up with the wardens in Awakening. He also has this long exposition about it in one of the talks you have with him during Origins.

And I don't think drunk Alistair is hung up about revenge either, in that case he'd be trying to overthrow Ferelden. The difference between drunk Oghren and drunk Alistair is that Alistair has completely given up at that point, Oghren is still trying to do something about his problems. This may be due to the different nature of their problems, but still.

[Gilsa]

Herr Uhl wrote...

[Sten voice] No. [/Sten voice]

*cries*

[errant_knight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

A drunk, angry, PTSD plauged, guy who hasent been sober in months would make a good companion?

That would be the ultimate chance to make a difference in a companions life. That would be good. It's not like being drunk ever hurt Oghren.  Of course I would think so, though. That's where my story starts. I can't see them making a companion someone who if king in a greater number of stories, though. And I really trust the company less to make a game I'll want to play--not having enjoyed ME.

Modifié par errant_knight, 01 août 2010 - 03:08 .

[errant_knight]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

A drunk, angry, PTSD plauged, guy who hasent been sober in months would make a good companion?

Oghren did.

I dont think Oghern suffered PTSD and he wasent hung up about not getting revenge.

He was unable to adapt to society after being in the army though. Hence why he wants to join up with the wardens in Awakening. He also has this long exposition about it in one of the talks you have with him during Origins.

And I don't think drunk Alistair is hung up about revenge either, in that case he'd be trying to overthrow Ferelden. The difference between drunk Oghren and drunk Alistair is that Alistair has completely given up at that point, Oghren is still trying to do something about his problems. This may be due to the different nature of their problems, but still.

I might have given Oghren some credit for that until Awakening....

I wouldn't say it was just the nature of their problems. An Alistair that ends up there feels betrayed in multiple ways that Oghren doesn't. Oghren also didn't have to learn to believe in himself, only to lose it all.

Modifié par errant_knight, 01 août 2010 - 03:26 .

[Herr Uhl]

Well, that would depend on the warden. Oghren used to be on top of the world though, as one of the most promising of the warrior caste. Then he had to face reality in a society that didn't fit him. And with Branka, a wife that didn't care for him.



Well, then she became obsessed with finding the anvil and dragged his entire family and most likely almost all of his friends into the deep roads while leaving him behind. Then he killed a guy in a proving and were stripped of his rank as warrior too. I think he had the right to feel betrayed in a lot of ways too, by his society and family at least.



In awakening he is still being haunted by his Branka issues as well as his issues with having a regular life, being afraid of abandonment so he abandons himself. He is many kinds of messed up, though it is how he acted during awakenings that kills him for me, not that he abandoned and such. He becomes a drunk frat-boy in essence.

[errant_knight]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Well, that would depend on the warden. Oghren used to be on top of the world though, as one of the most promising of the warrior caste. Then he had to face reality in a society that didn't fit him. And with Branka, a wife that didn't care for him.

Well, then she became obsessed with finding the anvil and dragged his entire family and most likely almost all of his friends into the deep roads while leaving him behind. Then he killed a guy in a proving and were stripped of his rank as warrior too. I think he had the right to feel betrayed in a lot of ways too, by his society and family at least.

In awakening he is still being haunted by his Branka issues as well as his issues with having a regular life, being afraid of abandonment so he abandons himself. He is many kinds of messed up, though it is how he acted during awakenings that kills him for me, not that he abandoned and such. He becomes a drunk frat-boy in essence.

For me it was both those things, and given eveythiing that happened to him, and the difference between who he was in Origins and Awakening, they could have done something very interesting with that, but they didn't. I'm okay with characters going unpleasant places, but there has to be acknowledgement of that, and some kind of resolution. What little, and partial, resolution there was just didn't cut it. They treated it like a joke, and it really wasn't.

Modifié par errant_knight, 01 août 2010 - 03:42 .

[Sarah1281]

You can't get the password emailed to you?

[errant_knight]

Zyanic wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

[Sten voice] No. [/Sten voice]

I think that Alistair has been thoroughly explored in origins, I don't see what new things they'd bring to the table with the guy, even if he was drunk.

Having him make a cameo would be awesome though.

You know in my crazy mind, I wonder if the story in  DA2 supposedly retelling how we end up on the brink of war, might be used as a way to explain why our warden  and  some of our original companions need to join forces ten years after the blight, ( in a third installment perhaps)  Kings would certainly be involved in massive wars etc. and ten years as drunk/king ( or dead) would certainly have an effect on one's character.
Please bear in mind I've only caught snippets of DA2 info and I'm not desperate to know everything about it before the game actually comes out.  
Unlikely scenario? yes.  
Ah well, a girl can dream.
I would have posted a shiny Alistair picture but photobucket asked for my password and I forgot it a loooong time ago.

I like your unlikely scenario. I wish it was, you know, likely.

[Sarah1281]

Am I the only one who wants Bioware to just hurry up and finish the Warden's story in an expansion and not have them involved in future titles because they'd be a lot happier getting to do what THEY want with their life and not have to worry about being called upon to save Ferelden again, particularly if they don't care about the country?

Edit: Sad but true: happy endings only occur offscreen.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 01 août 2010 - 04:50 .

[errant_knight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Am I the only one who wants Bioware to just hurry up and finish the Warden's story in an expansion and not have them involved in future titles because they'd be a lot happier getting to do what THEY want with their life and not have to worry about being called upon to save Ferelden again, particularly if they don't care about the country?

Edit: Sad but true: happy endings only occur offscreen.

Since they seem hellbent on moving to third person for play in future installments, it's almost certain that you will get your wish.

[Herr Uhl]

Zyanic wrote...

@ Sarah I think that might be very specific to your canon warden though from what I've seen you say about her on the boards.  It's the DN who doesn't want children and was quite happy to go back to Orzammar and name her nephew her successor? ( I've clearly been taking stalking tips from Herr Uhl, in such a stalkerish way he doesn't even know it.)
From my own point of view I wouldn't mind how the warden's story gets wrapped up as long as it does, whether it's in an expansion or a future title.  
I agree about the happy endings though, so I guess we're unlikely to get one

Edit: I failed at reading, sorry , by the very specific bit I meant the part about not really caring about the country.

Me being stalked? Balderdash I say, balderdash!

[Sarah1281]

Zyanic wrote...

@ Sarah I think that might be very specific to your canon warden though from what I've seen you say about her on the boards.  It's the DN who doesn't want children and was quite happy to go back to Orzammar and name her nephew her successor? ( I've clearly been taking stalking tips from Herr Uhl, in such a stalkerish way he doesn't even know it.)
From my own point of view I wouldn't mind how the warden's story gets wrapped up as long as it does, whether it's in an expansion or a future title.  
I agree about the happy endings though, so I guess we're unlikely to get one

Edit: I failed at reading, sorry , by the very specific bit I meant the part about not really caring about the country.

As it happens, that would be my canon Warden but I don't think that I have the only Warden not to really care about Ferelden. There could be plenty of Dalish Wardens that as long as they are left in peace (and surely Orlais has there only Dalish) then they don't care who conquers Ferelden, mages who - like Wynne - have spent their lives locked up in a tower without gaining any sort of national idenitity and feeling peace at any cost would be preferable to maintaining autonomy, dwarves who aren't even from Ferelden, any Warden who intends to go travelling or live outside of Ferelden...really, the only origin that I think it would be odd to have a Warden uninterested in the country of Ferelden would be a HN.

Sure any other one could but it's hardly a requirement and if the Warden did come back hellbent on preventing Orlais from retaking the country, for example, in DA3 then it would shoehorn many characters who aren't patriots even more than forcing them to play at being Arlessa does in Awakening.

My only interest in a wrap-up is that 'oh, and now they've disappeared' is so utterly stupid and I want to have an ending where it's confirmed that they can go back to their lives. If the Warden appears post DA2 then that means that ten years down the line they have to leave whatever happiness they've managed to find to go deal with more problems that no one else can apparently solve.

I'm not attacking the opinion of anyone who loves their Warden enough to want another game with them, I just love my Warden enough to want her to be able to be happy after ending the Blight and I don't think being Ferelden's hero again would do that.

Edit: To be more specific on the 'not caring about Ferelden' part: It sounds like your Warden cares about Ferelden. That does not mean that everyone else's does. My Warden does not really care about it. That does not mean that nobody else's does. I have my doubts that Bioware could give a good enough reason for everyone Warden to get involved with the kind of political problems Ferelden might face in the scenario you suggested like they did to have everyone be willing to face the Blight. If that happens in DA3 and we're just told 'yeah, so in the last ten years I've realized Ferelden is the greatest country ever and now want to drop everything to deal with your problems' then I would have a huge problem with that.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 01 août 2010 - 05:19 .

[Herr Uhl]

I think that city elves would be pretty interested too, they have it better in Ferelden than many other places. Rivain would maybe be a place where it is better (they still follow the Qun to some extent, so they'd be equal to humans there).

They seemingly have it worse in Antiva, Tevinter and Orlais though.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 01 août 2010 - 05:25 .

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

I think that city elves would be pretty interested too, they have it better in Ferelden than many other places. Rivain would maybe be a place where it is better (they still follow the Qun to some extent, so they'd be equal to humans there).

They seemingly have it worse in Antiva, Tevinter and Orlais though.

If you play a CE that both knows about the conditions of other Alienages and cares enough about their own Alienage, perhaps. A bribe-accepting CE, for example, wouldn't care I don't think although I know that RP-choice seems to be in the minority but that's not even the only way to have one that's not concerned about the Alienage. They could be pissed at how they and Soris were blamed for all of the Alienage's problems after resecuing women Vaughan kidnapped with the intent of raping, for some of them, killing them or just decide to start a new life in a different country.

[mellifera]

To be honest, I don't really want to continue any of my Wardens either. Even those that I really love. I have Grey Warden endings and I have Queens of Ferelden and I have those that went traveling. I don't really *need* any continuity, especially for those who chose to remove themselves from the Warden lifestyle, it just does not make sense for them to continue serving as a Warden when they chose to do something else with their life. So I'd rather just not have anything than be forced to throw my PC back into a role they willingly gave up/want no part of/care nothing about.

[mellifera]

Well, at the end you have the choice of leaving the order, whether it be to rule the country or just to leave. I am not sure about this, but do the Wardens really have the authority to force you to come back? Do they have the authority to force the monarch to return to the Wardens? Awakening shows that an Orlesian Warden can do the job of Ferelden's hero just as well, so are you absolutely forced to go back to the Grey Wardens?



I'd think killing the Archdemon affords you a bit of leeway anyway xD

[Sarah1281]

Zyanic wrote...

I don't really have a canon warden * hangs head in shame*. I agree with what your saying though, there may be many wardens who don't really care about Ferelden  but being a warden doesn't seem like an opt-out kind of deal. ( unless you end up King I guess)  As I said above, I don't know much about this impending war or the details about DA2 I'm just sort of theorising.
I'm fairly sure none of my wardens actually wanted to be wardens in the first place, let alone end up being one of the last two in the country with what, a day or so of being in the order? I'm sure they'd be delighted to go back to their old lives and  forget about the wellbeing of the country. They might not be afforded that luxury though.

I also agree that the just disappearing is wildly frustrating. although maybe this next DLC will supposedly provide the answer to that ( doubt It)

Maybe not for normal Wardens but, as a Blight-ender and hero of Ferelden, you seem to be an exception. Say the First Warden had told you to go to Amaranthine and be the Warden Commander and you basically told them to go **** themselves because you were happy doing whatever. What are they really going to do to you? Kill you? Imagine the political fallout from killing the hero of Ferelden and only person to have ever survived ending a Blight? That might be enough to get Amaranthine taken away from them and you know it would lose them a lot of support. It's better for them to just accept the Warden's decision and not push the matter.

[errant_knight]

Well, my canon warden is a Cousland (they always do their duty), and the queen. I suspect she cares more about Ferelden than being a warden. I don't think it would matter how much time passed, she'd be on the front lines. I'd have no problem taking her to war at Alistair's side.

Modifié par errant_knight, 01 août 2010 - 05:50 .