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[Giggles_Manically]

All my wardens are not doing anything real important anyway so most of them would show up.



Although my Dalish would say:

"SERIOUSLY I JUST CLEANED THIS PLACE UP!! CAN WE KEEP IT CLEAN FOR 10 MINUTES!"

[Sarah1281]

Zyanic wrote...

*wails* I don't know anymore!! it was just a silly theory!


here's Alistair, uh...defending stuff... crap, it's not it's an elf not caring...here's  Alistair defending stuff. ( I hope)




*runs away from having to think*

I'm sorry if you're feeling attacked, that wasn't my intention. I just, for the life of me, cannot think of any situation that brings the Warden back that would fit for everybody. That's the benefit of having a new character. You give them any starting point you want so all the RP-ing people do has to fit in the fact that, say, Shepard joined the Alliance or Hawke ran away from Lothering to go live in Kirkwall.

[errant_knight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Zyanic wrote...

*wails* I don't know anymore!! it was just a silly theory!
[...]
*runs away from having to think*

I'm sorry if you're feeling attacked, that wasn't my intention. I just, for the life of me, cannot think of any situation that brings the Warden back that would fit for everybody. That's the benefit of having a new character. You give them any starting point you want so all the RP-ing people do has to fit in the fact that, say, Shepard joined the Alliance or Hawke ran away from Lothering to go live in Kirkwall.

They give you the option to create a new character in Awakening, and would surely do the same for any other type of continuation of the story of Ferelden. Does it really matter if people who would be happy continuing as their warden can do so?

[errant_knight]

Just started Chapter 20. Woot!

[TotoroTori]

errant_knight wrote...

Just started Chapter 20. Woot!

never seen that helmet before

[SurelyForth]

Alistair's nightmare?







Or Morrigan's dream?



Morrigan: I guess two out of three tis not bad.

[errant_knight]

TotoroTori wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Just started Chapter 20. Woot!

never seen that helmet before

That's because it's part of an armor set that I'm working on. This was an early draft before I decided to make the black parts gold and ran into a boatload of texture issues.

[Sarah1281]

errant_knight wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Zyanic wrote...

*wails* I don't know anymore!! it was just a silly theory!
[...]
*runs away from having to think*

I'm sorry if you're feeling attacked, that wasn't my intention. I just, for the life of me, cannot think of any situation that brings the Warden back that would fit for everybody. That's the benefit of having a new character. You give them any starting point you want so all the RP-ing people do has to fit in the fact that, say, Shepard joined the Alliance or Hawke ran away from Lothering to go live in Kirkwall.

They give you the option to create a new character in Awakening, and would surely do the same for any other type of continuation of the story of Ferelden. Does it really matter if people who would be happy continuing as their warden can do so?

I wasn't aware that I ever said anything about telling other people how to play their games or insisting that everyone's Warden needed to want nothing to do with any future problems Ferelden might face.

I said I could not think of a one-size-fits-all rationale to bring back every single kind of Warden but if you or anyone else can I'd be happy to hear it.

I said that with new characters it is easier to explain why they are doing what they are doing which, considering no one really questions how any of the Wardens got to the point they started the game at and yet people have questioned their characters decision to become Warden-Commander, seems to be a true statement. 'Easier' does not mean 'the only option.'

And my fear about that would be that there wouldn't be enough variation in a 'new character' game as in a 'imported character' game so you might as well not even have the Warden to begin with for all anyone would notice. And in Awakening you had to import if you didn't want your character to have done the US.

[Merilsell]

Catching up again, so I'm late as always to the Goldanna discussion. Sigh.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
She didn't want anything to do with him unless he ponies up the cash and there's a Blight on.  What is he supposed to do exactly??

Give her the money and show that he can be responsable and take care of her like a brother should do, even if Goldanna's way of saying it was far from beign exemplary. Why does he expect her to take care of him when he isn't willing to do the same?
Unlike Alistair, She has children to feed.

Take care?

Heh, funny that. That wrench sees nothing than a walking money bag in him from minute one. For her he is the chance to live a better life because Alistair is the rich, spoiled Bastard prince in her eyes .Nothing to say against that wish after the life she had, but how she handled it was beyond pathetic. I'm sure he'd have helped her later on, but as he wasn't willing to pay her off immediately, she treaded him like a piece of dirt...and his fellow Warden as well. Not a good basis for a further family relation. I'm not surprised he didn't want anything to do with her after that.

And from my (Canon) Warden (Lenya) she would haven't get money anyway, rather a dagger in her guts. If Alistair hadn't stopped her before, that's it. No one is messing with the ones she loves. Period.

[errant_knight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Zyanic wrote...

*wails* I don't know anymore!! it was just a silly theory!
[...]
*runs away from having to think*

I'm sorry if you're feeling attacked, that wasn't my intention. I just, for the life of me, cannot think of any situation that brings the Warden back that would fit for everybody. That's the benefit of having a new character. You give them any starting point you want so all the RP-ing people do has to fit in the fact that, say, Shepard joined the Alliance or Hawke ran away from Lothering to go live in Kirkwall.

They give you the option to create a new character in Awakening, and would surely do the same for any other type of continuation of the story of Ferelden. Does it really matter if people who would be happy continuing as their warden can do so?

I wasn't aware that I ever said anything about telling other people how to play their games or insisting that everyone's Warden needed to want nothing to do with any future problems Ferelden might face.

I said I could not think of a one-size-fits-all rationale to bring back every single kind of Warden but if you or anyone else can I'd be happy to hear it.

I said that with new characters it is easier to explain why they are doing what they are doing which, considering no one really questions how any of the Wardens got to the point they started the game at and yet people have questioned their characters decision to become Warden-Commander, seems to be a true statement. 'Easier' does not mean 'the only option.'

And my fear about that would be that there wouldn't be enough variation in a 'new character' game as in a 'imported character' game so you might as well not even have the Warden to begin with for all anyone would notice. And in Awakening you had to import if you didn't want your character to have done the US.

You don't need a one size fits all approach if you have the option of another character. In Awakening, If you didn't see your warden as being present, for whatever reason, you didn't have to do it. If they did the same thing in a future game/expansion the same would apply. If your warden wouldn't be there, then you don't have to make them.

The same thing may apply to an expansion as a game. It may or may not be a scenario that suits every mode of roleplaying.

In any case, I doubt very much that the warden will appear in future games, because unless DA2 is a resounding failure, we will never see a true first person RPG in the franchise again, and voicing a previously unvoiced character would be problematic, to say the least. I also don't think it will be a failure. People who liked ME2 but not DA:O are flocking to it, and with the DA:O fans who are fine with a voiced character--about 50 % if statistics hold true outside the forums--the numbers will probably be similar to those of DA:O. Maybe higher, as the game is geared more to non-RPG fans.

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Alistair's nightmare?



Or Morrigan's dream?

Morrigan: I guess two out of three tis not bad.

One of them is an imposter! 

[Sarah1281]

And from my (Canon) Warden (Lenya) she would haven't get money anyway, rather a dagger in her guts. If Alistair hadn't stopped her before, that's it. No one is messing with the ones she loves. Period.

That would make Goldanna and her 'I want money' approach a far better person in this situation than your Warden if she wants to just outright kill someone for the high crime of rudeness.

Edit: Come to think of it, that's actually what started that discussion in the first place. Someone thinking that they would have the moral high ground in kililng Alistair's sister (as far as he knows, at least) becuase she may not be a ncie person.

Do note I'm not judging your Warden in any non-Goldanna capacity here. It really doesn't matter HOW much she loves Alistair at that point, it is still no excuse for the only thing stopping her from killing an innocent if unpleasant woman being Alistair asking her to.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 01 août 2010 - 06:48 .

[Addai]

sabreene wrote...

I would lick the screen, but he's got blood on him.  BTW what is your PC wearing back there??

[rak72]

These two love putting on the shiny armor and kicking butts together. They would jump at any chance they had to get out of the castle.

Modifié par rak72, 01 août 2010 - 06:50 .

[SurelyForth]

Sandtigress wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Alistair's nightmare?



Or Morrigan's dream?

Morrigan: I guess two out of three tis not bad.

One of them is an imposter! 

Like you'd be complaining. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Merilsell wrote...
And from my (Canon) Warden (Lenya) she would haven't get money anyway, rather a dagger in her guts. If Alistair hadn't stopped her before, that's it. No one is messing with the ones she loves. Period.

While I am sure I would initially appreciate the idea of having a lover who would be eager to gut the people that supposedely mess with me (their reasons however valid or understandable and the children you would turn to orphans be damned), I assure you that I would very quickly find that disturbing and even revolting.

But judging from that sentence, I deem further discussion on this subject to be pointless.
Hate is such a hard emotion to change.

Well not fr me at least, all I require is a Morrigan pic.

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Alistair's nightmare?



Or Morrigan's dream?

Morrigan: I guess two out of three tis not bad.

One of them is an imposter! 

Like you'd be complaining. 

But RealRon is way better than ZevRon!   I'm a biologist, I know.  lol Can I use that here?

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Merilsell wrote...
And from my (Canon) Warden (Lenya) she would haven't get money anyway, rather a dagger in her guts. If Alistair hadn't stopped her before, that's it. No one is messing with the ones she loves. Period.

While I am sure I would initially appreciate the idea of having a lover who would be eager to gut the people that supposedely mess with me (their reasons however valid or understandable and the children you would turn to orphans be damned), I assure you that I would very quickly find that disturbing and even revolting.

But judging from that sentence, I deem further discussion on this subject to be pointless.
Hate is such a hard emotion to change.

Well not fr me at least, all I require is a Morrigan pic.

Speaking of...

[SurelyForth]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Hate is such a hard emotion to change.

Well not fr me at least, all I require is a Morrigan pic.

Did you see the Morrigans I left you a few pages back? I have several good ones, but some of them are with NotArcturus, so I'll keep them to myself. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 01 août 2010 - 06:56 .

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

All my wardens are not doing anything real important anyway so most of them would show up.

Although my Dalish would say:
"SERIOUSLY I JUST CLEANED THIS PLACE UP!! CAN WE KEEP IT CLEAN FOR 10 MINUTES!"

Heh.

I could see it going both ways, and Zyanic I think your scenario is a good one- in fact, so good that it's probably not going to come true (that is me being pessimistic about anything DA-related).  They'll always give a default option for a new PC like they did with Awakening, if someone doesn't want to carry forward.  You would just have to live with the world looking differently than it might have in your canon DAO.

[KnightofPhoenix]

That's overkill Sarah. Now I won't be hating for several months.

[KnightofPhoenix]

SurelyForth wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Hate is such a hard emotion to change.

Well not fr me at least, all I require is a Morrigan pic.

Did you see the Morrigans I left you a few pages back? I have several good ones, but some of them are with NotArcturus, so I'll keep them to myself. 

No I haven't seen them
My MorriRadar isn't working properly, after loss of practise.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That's overkill Sarah. Now I won't be hating for several months.

I'm sure you'll manage somehow.