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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

cmessaz wrote...

And my new favorite:

Where'd you find these? Nice....

[Urshakk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Elektra's sidekicks?

I was thinking put Morrigan in that suit too and make it Charlies Angels.

[nranola]

Urshakk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Elektra's sidekicks?

I was thinking put Morrigan in that suit too and make it Charlies Alistair's Angels.

Fix'd. 8D Though one of them would most likely be called a devil than an angel LOL.

[Daneres]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Here's a mod that might be interesting for some of you that want *more* from your romance scene's and even those tent scenes.  Its the Better Sex Cutscenes mod and my oh my, saying lets go to sleep is so much more interesting lmao
http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=548

How do I get this mod? I went to the sight and registered and everything. You might have to tell me step by step, lol, where to find it and how to get it, as this downloading files for games thing is kinda foreign to me. I would like this one, though: I always thought the scenes could be racier and hoped to witness more interesting ones.

[Urshakk]

nranola wrote...

Urshakk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Elektra's sidekicks?

I was thinking put Morrigan in that suit too and make it Charlies Alistair's Angels.

Fix'd. 8D Though one of them would most likely be called a devil than an angel LOL.

Oh, very nice. I like it.

[sylvanaerie]

Axekix wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Um don't feel bad, I still haven't unocked Zev's achievement either lol.  Alistair keeps pulling me away lmao

Yeah, that one might just have to stay locked for me.  I don't get the appeal of Zev at all.

Its not hard to get it just get his approval up a little, flirt with him (its really easy to get a LOT of points fast with him) and then ask him to the tent.  Like Morrigan he will join you much sooner than Alistair or Leliana if you push the approval up.  Then reload and continue your game, achievement done.

*Edit* dang 25 mins to get through the night's postings...nice job folks!

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 20 avril 2010 - 11:45 .

[sylvanaerie]

cmessaz wrote...

Seriously guys, that morrigan robe mod is awsome. I'm wearing it as an elf, and the tattoo on the arm is kick a**.

Downloaded and installed. Will check that out when I get back on in a bit.  Right now shes wearing Andraste's robes which look really good on her.

[sylvanaerie]

Daneres wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Here's a mod that might be interesting for some of you that want *more* from your romance scene's and even those tent scenes.  Its the Better Sex Cutscenes mod and my oh my, saying lets go to sleep is so much more interesting lmao
http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=548

How do I get this mod? I went to the sight and registered and everything. You might have to tell me step by step, lol, where to find it and how to get it, as this downloading files for games thing is kinda foreign to me. I would like this one, though: I always thought the scenes could be racier and hoped to witness more interesting ones.

First download 7zip file manager (if you don't have it already) when you download the mod, unzip and install into the Bioware overides file you can find in your documents section of your computer.  (there are more detailed instructions on the mod page of how to install it but thats the readers digest version).

You might want to wait till Cmessaz gets her mod up and running (or keep an eye on the thread to see when it will be up and working).  It includes some dialog fixes and other nice treats that BSC doesn't and she is adding BSC as well once she can get it worked out on her PC (she has permissions from Luchiare).

[SurelyForth]

Speaking of naked etc., I know I'm slacking in my NB responsibilities, however while the horns are always and everywhere sexy, SurelyForth has helped me see the error of my ways and I realize now that the hotness of the horns must be carefully guarded. Indiscriminate hornage is bad.

Only when in proximity to the worst of the worst (ie. Broodmother...or Isolde)

I finally told my boyfriend what has been making me giggle so fiendishly these past few days, up to and including the broodmother bit. His response was:

"Oh, Alistair will never let you talk him into that. Dragons and ogres, yes. Broodmothers? Oh no."

On armor/Oblivionr: The bf has been playing Oblivion this week (Awakening on PS3 broke his will to play DA for a while), so I've been constantly bombarded by two things I really miss about Oblivion- the Elven armor and Sheogorath's staff, Wabbajack. I really wish I could turn enemies into other enemies (to sometimes deadly effect). Would be useful on shrieks, at the very least.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 20 avril 2010 - 01:37 .

[Serissia]

yukidama wrote...


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What armor is Leliana wearing?  Yeah, sorry to rehash old stuff... I fell asleep last night.

[LadyDamodred]

sleepingbelow wrote...

I kind of wanted to run a hypothesis through the pro-Alistair crew about anti-Alistair folks.  I'm worried this is going to sound like I'm putting words in other peoples' mouths.  Albeit ones that are likely not here.  I really just want to think out loud in front of people who usually side with Alistair before I even consider bringing it up with people that don't.  Stop reading if you find this is something that's already been said.

Anywho.

It seems like most people who try to spare Loghain and end up getting angry at Alistair refer to his actions as a childish hissy fit.  Well, he doesn't draw steel.  He doesn't call names.  He does lay out ultimatums.  He's not going to fight next to Loghain, period.  Despite what some people think, the Warden is not the boss of Alistair.  There's no command structure.  He's not betraying a Queen or King.  At that moment, nobody even knows who is in charge yet, it is still being worked out.  Government is in limbo.

I think it is the ultimatums.  People play games often to express fantasies of control, of being in important, and in charge.  Morrigan can minus twelve all she wants, the player can just roll their eyes and buy her something pretty later.  The Landsmeet is one of the few times a companion straight up says, "No."  Which I imagine is like a bucket of cold water in the face.  Most things and characters in the game that say, "No" and don't listen to you get dead real quick.  So players probably ask themselves why the heck is their love interest/best buddy buying a ticket to Murderedville?  This reaction must be overblown.  Somebody is at fault.  It is not me, so it must be them.

One of the few other examples I can think of is when Sten challenges you for leadership, and I know people who've gotten that event and flipped their sauce.  Even though at the end of that, Sten buckles. 

I think a lot of people really hate being told "no" in a computer game.  You might've noticed that guys that REALLY like the Morrigan romance often OBSESS over getting the "right" epilogues, ie feeling her regret through her magic ring, being able to chase after her at the end of Awakenings.  I think it is because they want to veto her "no".  Like suddenly they can make it mean "Yes, I will stay with you, and we can raise our Gozar baby together!"  Dudes, she said no.  I would like to qualify that I'm a HUGE fan of the Morrigan romance.  I sort of think the option to chase her is a little creepy.

I'm suggesting that it comes down to some people not being able to give up control.  Not in a computer game where you're supposed to be the hero who everybody listens to.

I see this weird definition of love getting trotted out by Alistair detractors.  Where if Alistair "truly" loved the Warden, he would never leave.  If I'm understanding this correctly, having a view like that seems unhealthy.  Having "true love" does not mean that you can't crash your heart into a glacier and sink it Titanic-style.  Doing some things, refusing to make certain compromises, crossing specific lines will make a relationship crash and burn.  Sometimes people say no.

Anyway, I'm just bouncing ideas around.  My intention is CERTAINLY not to start another Alistair v. Loghain war again, so I hope that doesn't happen.  Also not to offend people with my conjectures which might sound like my convictions.   I just wanted to throw some things out there.  Go ahead and tell me off if this strikes you as crazy wrong and that I'm definitely projecting things that aren't there.

EDIT-- I really hope you guys don't mind me posting this here, but you were the audience that I wanted feed back from first.

I'm a little late to the party, having just woken up and all, but I'll throw my two cents in.

I would say you might be correct in this assessment in for a lot of players.  If you played the game and paid attention to Alistair's character, what he does at the Landsmeet if you spare Loghain really shouldn't come as a surprise.  He sees sparing Loghain as a betrayal, and I agree that it is, especially if you are in love or friends with him.  I know everyone does not see it that way, but Alistair does and that is the important part.  People will say "If he loved you, how he could leave you like that?"  I say, "If you loved him, how can you possibly ask him to do the one thing he has told you he cannot stand for?"  By sparing Loghain, you are stabbing him in the back and telling him this one line he cannot cross doesn't matter to you in the slightest.

Depending on how you played your character, this might not even be the first time Alistair says no to you.  There are other incidents where he flat out tells you 'You are not my commanding officer, I don't have to do what you say.'  I realize a lot of people play without ever seeing these dialogues, but they are there.  Alistair follows you and your orders because he wants to.  If he hates you, he sticks with you to defend the Blight, but isn't going to do a damn thing to help you otherwise.  At the Landsmeet, even if your rationale is using Loghain to help defeat the Blight, Alistair cannot cross that line.  That is a completely human reaction and I don't know why people get so upset at it.

People get upset for a variety of reasons, but I cannot see how they are surprised in any way when it happens.  On my very first play through, when I had no idea what I was doing, I accepted Loghain's surrender because I didn't know how the Landsmeet worked yet.  When Alistair went all  and >:/, my pc went "No!  I wasn't trying to spare him!  Sorry!"  *Loghain daeded*  I was surprised by the turn of events, like I was with almost everything in that firct game, but I was not surprised by Alistair's reaction.  It was completely in character for him.

[LadyDamodred]

Serissia wrote...

I love Alistair and even I agree with KoP for the reasons I just posted.

This pretty much deserves a...

TL; DR: Duncan tells the HN PC that a Wardens duties take precedent over everything even vengence. Alistair apparently didn't get that memo.

That's exactly the point.  I don't think he got the memo.  Not that he didn't understand, but never actually received it.  From what you see in the game, Alistair, and my PCs, really have no idea just exactly how far the Grey Wardens are willing to go.  Even though Duncan said Grey Warden duties take precedence over vengeance, one wuick line while my family is dying didn't really stick with me.  Throughout the whole game, my PC was like "I'm gonna gut Howe!"  *shrugs*  I guess Alistair and I are in this boat together.

As for providing a rationale, the whole game has been Alistair's rationale.  If you really need him to sit there at the Landsmeet and outline why reasons why sparing Loghain is bad, you've missed a lot of his character through the game.  He does get to the whole 'murdering, torturing, enslaving' parts if you let him, but there is a reason why he is shocked at what you are doing.

[Serissia]

LadyDamodred wrote...
I'm a little late to the party, having just woken up and all, but I'll throw my two cents in.

I would say you might be correct in this assessment in for a lot of players.  If you played the game and paid attention to Alistair's character, what he does at the Landsmeet if you spare Loghain really shouldn't come as a surprise.  He sees sparing Loghain as a betrayal, and I agree that it is, especially if you are in love or friends with him.  I know everyone does not see it that way, but Alistair does and that is the important part.  People will say "If he loved you, how he could leave you like that?"  I say, "If you loved him, how can you possibly ask him to do the one thing he has told you he cannot stand for?"  By sparing Loghain, you are stabbing him in the back and telling him this one line he cannot cross doesn't matter to you in the slightest.

Depending on how you played your character, this might not even be the first time Alistair says no to you.  There are other incidents where he flat out tells you 'You are not my commanding officer, I don't have to do what you say.'  I realize a lot of people play without ever seeing these dialogues, but they are there.  Alistair follows you and your orders because he wants to.  If he hates you, he sticks with you to defend the Blight, but isn't going to do a damn thing to help you otherwise.  At the Landsmeet, even if your rationale is using Loghain to help defeat the Blight, Alistair cannot cross that line.  That is a completely human reaction and I don't know why people get so upset at it.

People get upset for a variety of reasons, but I cannot see how they are surprised in any way when it happens.  On my very first play through, when I had no idea what I was doing, I accepted Loghain's surrender because I didn't know how the Landsmeet worked yet.  When Alistair went all  and >:/, my pc went "No!  I wasn't trying to spare him!  Sorry!"  *Loghain daeded*  I was surprised by the turn of events, like I was with almost everything in that firct game, but I was not surprised by Alistair's reaction.  It was completely in character for him.

That pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. 

It comes down to a flaw in Alistair's personality, he's unable to see beyond the need for his own vengence.  Personally I think if it was Duncan he would of let Loghain live to be used as AD bait.  Duncan was able to understand that tough choices must be made for the greater good in dire times. 

Regardless, as I've said, I never side w/ Loghain.  I can't betray my comrade in arms/lover for the sake of necessity.  That doesn't mean that I'm not slightly disgusted by his reaction though. 

[LadyDamodred]

Serissia wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
I'm a little late to the party, having just woken up and all, but I'll throw my two cents in.

I would say you might be correct in this assessment in for a lot of players.  If you played the game and paid attention to Alistair's character, what he does at the Landsmeet if you spare Loghain really shouldn't come as a surprise.  He sees sparing Loghain as a betrayal, and I agree that it is, especially if you are in love or friends with him.  I know everyone does not see it that way, but Alistair does and that is the important part.  People will say "If he loved you, how he could leave you like that?"  I say, "If you loved him, how can you possibly ask him to do the one thing he has told you he cannot stand for?"  By sparing Loghain, you are stabbing him in the back and telling him this one line he cannot cross doesn't matter to you in the slightest.

Depending on how you played your character, this might not even be the first time Alistair says no to you.  There are other incidents where he flat out tells you 'You are not my commanding officer, I don't have to do what you say.'  I realize a lot of people play without ever seeing these dialogues, but they are there.  Alistair follows you and your orders because he wants to.  If he hates you, he sticks with you to defend the Blight, but isn't going to do a damn thing to help you otherwise.  At the Landsmeet, even if your rationale is using Loghain to help defeat the Blight, Alistair cannot cross that line.  That is a completely human reaction and I don't know why people get so upset at it.

People get upset for a variety of reasons, but I cannot see how they are surprised in any way when it happens.  On my very first play through, when I had no idea what I was doing, I accepted Loghain's surrender because I didn't know how the Landsmeet worked yet.  When Alistair went all  and >:/, my pc went "No!  I wasn't trying to spare him!  Sorry!"  *Loghain daeded*  I was surprised by the turn of events, like I was with almost everything in that firct game, but I was not surprised by Alistair's reaction.  It was completely in character for him.

That pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. 

It comes down to a flaw in Alistair's personality, he's unable to see beyond the need for his own vengence.  Personally I think if it was Duncan he would of let Loghain live to be used as AD bait.  Duncan was able to understand that tough choices must be made for the greater good in dire times. 

Regardless, as I've said, I never side w/ Loghain.  I can't betray my comrade in arms/lover for the sake of necessity.  That doesn't mean that I'm not slightly disgusted by his reaction though. 

That right there is where I think most people end up disagreeing.  It is not a flaw in his personality.  It is part of who he is and he cannot deny it.  Hardened, unhardened, doesn't matter.  He is who he is, and when you put his back to a wall, he fights for who he is.  If Duncan had been there, if how the Grey Wardens really are had been explained to Alistair, this probably wouldn't have happened.  At this crucial moment, he shows he is not willing to give up everything about his morals and sense of justice to increase the odds a tiny bit.  It is up to the PC to decide whether this is a good or a bad thing.

[Serissia]

LadyDamodred wrote...
That's exactly the point.  I don't think he got the memo.  Not that he didn't understand, but never actually received it.  From what you see in the game, Alistair, and my PCs, really have no idea just exactly how far the Grey Wardens are willing to go.  Even though Duncan said Grey Warden duties take precedence over vengeance, one wuick line while my family is dying didn't really stick with me.  Throughout the whole game, my PC was like "I'm gonna gut Howe!"  *shrugs*  I guess Alistair and I are in this boat together.

As for providing a rationale, the whole game has been Alistair's rationale.  If you really need him to sit there at the Landsmeet and outline why reasons why sparing Loghain is bad, you've missed a lot of his character through the game.  He does get to the whole 'murdering, torturing, enslaving' parts if you let him, but there is a reason why he is shocked at what you are doing.

I agree totally about Alistair's outlook when it comes to the Wardens.  He seems them almost as the glorious heroes that swoop in and save the day on their white gryphons.  Which in its self is kind of ironic considering the Anderfell Wardens seem to be the worst of the lot.  Even Riordan talks about the Anders with a certain apprehension. 

When I play my HNF, she is a strong and independant woman that has embraced her role as a Cousland.  She knows that one day she may have to take over as Teyrna.  She has had a dislike and mistrust for Howe for years.  She is weary of any of the lesser nobility that try to use her as a pawn to advance themselves through arranaged marriage.  (This is why I can never bring my PC to sleep with Dairren) 

Word arrives from the south bring with it dire news and a call from the King the rally Highever's troops.  While generally an adept conversationalist she is thrown off guard when she learns that she won't be riding into battle with her Father and Brother.  Annoyed at being left behind to maintain the Castle when her Mother is more than able to she lets slip in Duncan's presence that perhaps joining the Wardens would get her into battle. 

As the day progresses she thinks more on the subject?  Would it really be so bad, after all Ser Gilmore says it is a great honor to be accepted into the ranks of the Wardens.  Perhaps she could actually make a difference and serve her country as she was ment to as a Cousland...

Howe is shown to be a traitor, along side with her Mother the two progress through the Castle.  It's a shocking sight to see poor Oren and Oriana slaughtered mercilessly.  She wants Howe's blood!  The two come upon Bryce in the larder, his death is already assured but she can't bring herself to accept that.  She listens as Duncan asks for something in return for his help, she is shocked at the man's ordacity but as the conversation filters in through the haze she realizes that they're speaking about her.  She looks to her Father pleadingly, concerns about her Brother flowing from her mouth on their own accord.  She listens as Duncan clamily states that Wardens must put their duties before anything else... even vengence.  She sees the truth of this mimicked in her Father's eyes and wards and she swears to him she will do what is necessary. 

Anyhow, that's how I saw the HN origin.  That's pretty much my PoV when it comes Alistair being unable to see past his own need for vengence. 

I wasn't shocked at Alistair's reaction, I was disapointed.  Alistair is unwilling to listen to what Riordan even has to say.  His view on what Warden are is just so drastically different from the truth.  When it came down to having to chose between my comrade in arms/love and the man that betrayed all of Ferelden there was no contest.  That's why I always let Alistair dual/run through Loghain himself so, I can just skip the whole ordeal with Riordan.

Sorry for typos or rambling... I haven't had my coffee yet.

Modifié par Serissia, 20 avril 2010 - 02:41 .

[LadyDamodred]

Hehe.  It's all in how you rp.  My HNF wanted to be a Grey Warden, all the stories about them being heroes and whatnot.  Even Alistair's reaction in Ostagar when you call them knights and heroes doesn't fully clue her in what it means to be a Warden.
I don't think my HNF will ever be a Warden like the Grey Wardens want her to be.  She had the disadvantge, or advantage depending on how you look at it, of never actually being around Wardens.  That leaves her to do everything as who she is, a Cousland, rather than simply as a Warden.  She accomplishes all these things, and while there were hard decisions, she never really betrayed her principles.  So when Riordan is like "Let him be a Warden," her reaction is "Ummm, no."  This is mirrored in my fic with this character.  Basically, she and Alistair are bad Wardens from the perspective of the GW and neither of them really care.  XD
Now, I've had other characters that do feel differently to an extent, but this is the character I connect most with, and what I consider my canon playthrough, so I always tell things from her perspective.

Angry Alistair!


*tries to come up with a title for today's chapter as she writes it*

[MelRedux]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Hehe.  It's all in how you rp.  My HNF wanted to be a Grey Warden, all the stories about them being heroes and whatnot.  Even Alistair's reaction in Ostagar when you call them knights and heroes doesn't fully clue her in what it means to be a Warden.
I don't think my HNF will ever be a Warden like the Grey Wardens want her to be.  She had the disadvantge, or advantage depending on how you look at it, of never actually being around Wardens.  That leaves her to do everything as who she is, a Cousland, rather than simply as a Warden.  She accomplishes all these things, and while there were hard decisions, she never really betrayed her principles.  So when Riordan is like "Let him be a Warden," her reaction is "Ummm, no."  This is mirrored in my fic with this character.  Basically, she and Alistair are bad Wardens from the perspective of the GW and neither of them really care.  XD
Now, I've had other characters that do feel differently to an extent, but this is the character I connect most with, and what I consider my canon playthrough, so I always tell things from her perspective.

Angry Alistair!


*tries to come up with a title for today's chapter as she writes it*

Yay doppleganger screenies!!

[LadyDamodred]

Just for you, Mel:

[MelRedux]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Just for you, Mel:

<takes purple marker and scribbles facial tattoo on monitor>

Perfect!

[LadyDamodred]

Hehe.  I have some good shots of her.  Alistair is in most of the pictures, so it counts, right?  Feel free to tell me to stop spamming up the thread anytime!

[Serissia]

Yeah, my HNF is what I consider my cannon play through (the one I mentioned). I've played through as a few other things but she is my favorite.



You know what I've always wondered? Do you guys think Duncan would of let Amaranthine burn in Awakening if he'd still been Commander of the Grey?

[LadyDamodred]

Here, I'll try to balance it out:


And one for Mel.  no need for the marker in this shot:

[MelRedux]

Keep 'em coming LD! I especially love that you have her in GWC armor...it definitely looks the best on a female out of all the heavy armors. And Alistair in Cailan's armor?...ROWR!

[Addai]

Xandurpein wrote...

Hopefully the ladies will cut us some slack. Too much Alistair adoration can make a guy a little insecure and tempt him to derail the thread ever so llittle...

Ha ha.  Your self-awareness does you credit, ser.  [/morrigan]

I think you're right about the loss of control thing, though.  I mean, witness the steaming outrage about the fact that you sometimes can't persuade Alistair to marry your PC or keep her on the side.  Other NPCs have breaking points, too, but since not everyone defiles the Ashes or whatnot, it doesn't come up as a big crisis.


Oh crikey, top of the page.  Let's see...  too early for sexy?

Modifié par Addai67, 20 avril 2010 - 03:13 .