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[MelRedux]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Here, I'll try to balance it out:

LOL....why do I picture him singing in this shot?

[LadyDamodred]

Serissia wrote...

Yeah, my HNF is what I consider my cannon play through (the one I mentioned). I've played through as a few other things but she is my favorite.

You know what I've always wondered? Do you guys think Duncan would of let Amaranthine burn in Awakening if he'd still been Commander of the Grey?

I don't know.  There's a whole lot of ifs.  Do you trust the messenger?  Do you ride to the rescue of a fortified keep filled with Wardens and soldiers or do you fight the darkspawn where you are?  Do you believe the battle is so unwinnable that you destroy an entire city?  I could make arguments for both cases, but it's really hard to say.

[Addai]

Mel_Redux wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Here, I'll try to balance it out:

LOL....why do I picture him singing in this shot?

LOL!  I think that is Ride of the Valkyries you are hearing, no?

Edit:  Maker, that is hot. 

Modifié par Addai67, 20 avril 2010 - 03:14 .

[MelRedux]

I'm pretty sure it is! I definitely sense opera coming out of him....

Modifié par Mel_Redux, 20 avril 2010 - 03:15 .

[Bratt1204]

sleepingbelow wrote...

I kind of wanted to run a hypothesis through the pro-Alistair crew about anti-Alistair folks.  I'm worried this is going to sound like I'm putting words in other peoples' mouths.  Albeit ones that are likely not here.  I really just want to think out loud in front of people who usually side with Alistair before I even consider bringing it up with people that don't.  Stop reading if you find this is something that's already been said.

Anywho.

It seems like most people who try to spare Loghain and end up getting angry at Alistair refer to his actions as a childish hissy fit.  Well, he doesn't draw steel.  He doesn't call names.  He does lay out ultimatums.  He's not going to fight next to Loghain, period.  Despite what some people think, the Warden is not the boss of Alistair.  There's no command structure.  He's not betraying a Queen or King.  At that moment, nobody even knows who is in charge yet, it is still being worked out.  Government is in limbo.

I think it is the ultimatums.  People play games often to express fantasies of control, of being in important, and in charge.  Morrigan can minus twelve all she wants, the player can just roll their eyes and buy her something pretty later.  The Landsmeet is one of the few times a companion straight up says, "No."  Which I imagine is like a bucket of cold water in the face.  Most things and characters in the game that say, "No" and don't listen to you get dead real quick.  So players probably ask themselves why the heck is their love interest/best buddy buying a ticket to Murderedville?  This reaction must be overblown.  Somebody is at fault.  It is not me, so it must be them.

One of the few other examples I can think of is when Sten challenges you for leadership, and I know people who've gotten that event and flipped their sauce.  Even though at the end of that, Sten buckles. 

I think a lot of people really hate being told "no" in a computer game.  You might've noticed that guys that REALLY like the Morrigan romance often OBSESS over getting the "right" epilogues, ie feeling her regret through her magic ring, being able to chase after her at the end of Awakenings.  I think it is because they want to veto her "no".  Like suddenly they can make it mean "Yes, I will stay with you, and we can raise our Gozar baby together!"  Dudes, she said no.  I would like to qualify that I'm a HUGE fan of the Morrigan romance.  I sort of think the option to chase her is a little creepy.

I'm suggesting that it comes down to some people not being able to give up control.  Not in a computer game where you're supposed to be the hero who everybody listens to.

I see this weird definition of love getting trotted out by Alistair detractors.  Where if Alistair "truly" loved the Warden, he would never leave.  If I'm understanding this correctly, having a view like that seems unhealthy.  Having "true love" does not mean that you can't crash your heart into a glacier and sink it Titanic-style.  Doing some things, refusing to make certain compromises, crossing specific lines will make a relationship crash and burn.  Sometimes people say no.

Anyway, I'm just bouncing ideas around.  My intention is CERTAINLY not to start another Alistair v. Loghain war again, so I hope that doesn't happen.  Also not to offend people with my conjectures which might sound like my convictions.   I just wanted to throw some things out there.  Go ahead and tell me off if this strikes you as crazy wrong and that I'm definitely projecting things that aren't there.

EDIT-- I really hope you guys don't mind me posting this here, but you were the audience that I wanted feed back from first.

I agree with many of your observations. And yes, the way people view certain characters, such as Alistair does speak volumes about their own views and disposition. That doesn't mean anyone is correct or incorrect for feeling the way they do, it only demonstrates who they (we) are. Alistair, in my opinion, is the most well written character in DA:O (Morrigan in a close 2nd). He is a righteous, kind and gallant man who may at times be bashful around women (which for me adds to his adorable charm) but also has a quick wit and fantastic sense of humor. He does indeed stand his ground when you take actions that he find morally reprehensible and will result in large disapprovals at times or him leaving your party entirely (Landsmeet). When he does fall in love, he care so much (in those instances) that he feels breaking things off is sparing his love more pain in the future, even though doing so breaks his heart. The act of sacrificing himself to save the woman he loves is absolutely epic. This is not a selfish act in any way - it is indeed the most self-less act. I adore Alistair and hope we are not deprived of his character in the future; that would truly be tragic.

Modifié par Bratt1204, 20 avril 2010 - 03:20 .

[LadyDamodred]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Keep 'em coming LD! I especially love that you have her in GWC armor...it definitely looks the best on a female out of all the heavy armors. And Alistair in Cailan's armor?...ROWR!

Indeed!  My favorite outfits for them in Origins.  After Awakening, I can totally see them in the matching sets of armor, though when Lya wants to make a point, I think she dons Sentinel armor.

[MelRedux]

Do you have screenies of the Sentinal armor? Since i'm on xbox, I ahve the glitch where it looks just like GWC. I've never seen it in its full glory!

Edit: LOL at Alistair dancing naked around the bonfire!

Modifié par Mel_Redux, 20 avril 2010 - 03:22 .

[LadyDamodred]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Do you have screenies of the Sentinal armor? Since i'm on xbox, I ahve the glitch where it looks just like GWC. I've never seen it in its full glory!

Edit: LOL at Alistair dancing naked around the bonfire!

Lemme look.  If nothing else, I can boot up my game in a little bit an try for some nice screenies.

[LadyDamodred]

Best shot I have at the moment.  I will poke around later today to get better ones if I ever get this damn chapter finished:

And it's never too early for sexytime:
Allistair:  "L-Lya?  Wh-What are you doing?!  We're not alone!"

[SurelyForth]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Indeed!  My favorite outfits for them in Origins.  After Awakening, I can totally see them in the matching sets of armor, though when Lya wants to make a point, I think she dons Sentinel armor.

The Sentinel armor just screams Justice to me so I always put it on him. Now I have this image of it having bits of flesh stuck on the inside and will never be able to use it for anyone else.

The armor from Kal'hirol is the only massive armor that I really love on my PC. The fact that it looks hot on Alistair is just a nice bonus (and, thus, they can look hot together before getting embarassed that they've become That couple).

Modifié par SurelyForth, 20 avril 2010 - 03:34 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
And it's never too early for sexytime:
Allistair:  "L-Lya?  Wh-What are you doing?!  We're not alone!"

And for some reason Oghren is looking up and not down. What the hell happened?

Oh and nothing like finishing an exam and coming over here to chill.

[LadyDamodred]

Yeah, I always stick Justice in the Sentinel set once I get the Kal'Hirol set. She looks rather terrifying in the Sentinel set, though. I have to imagine there are some Landsmeets when people are being difficult, and she arranges to walk into the throne room wearing it. Kinda just strolls up, gives Alistair a little peck on the cheek adn asks how things are going. XD

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 20 avril 2010 - 03:37 .

[Serissia]

I think it's cute that Alistair wears Duncan's shield in Awakening. That's such a very Alistair thing to do.

[LadyDamodred]

Serissia wrote...

I think it's cute that Alistair wears Duncan's shield in Awakening. That's such a very Alistair thing to do.

And he appears to have Duncan's sword.  >.>  Apparently, Duncan had copies b/c in that shot, Lya is weilding the exact same things.  >.>  Maybe Duncan's beard had it's own set.

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

The Sentinel armor just screams Justice to me so I always put it on him. Now I have this image of it having bits of flesh stuck on the inside and will never be able to use it for anyone else.

Me, too.  And, ewww.

The armor from Kal'hirol is the only massive armor that I really love on my PC. The fact that it looks hot on Alistair is just a nice bonus (and, thus, they can look hot together before getting embarassed that they've become That couple).

Matching outfits, LOL.  You're too funny.

As I always play rogues (when not playing a mage), I leave the pretty armor to Alistair.

[Serissia]

LadyDamodred wrote...
And he appears to have Duncan's sword.  >.>  Apparently, Duncan had copies b/c in that shot, Lya is weilding the exact same things.  >.>  Maybe Duncan's beard had it's own set.

Duncan's beard has been known to hide objects in its vast glorious self.

[MelRedux]

ooo what's the Kal'Hiral armor? I've only been through Awakening once, so I missed a bunch of stuff.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Mel_Redux wrote...

ooo what's the Kal'Hiral armor? I've only been through Awakening once, so I missed a bunch of stuff.

Gold and silver armor, similar to the effort armor, like the one Alistair wears if he is king. Its helmet is Juggernaut style.

Pro-tip: Kal'Hirol Armor + heartwood shield + vigilance = holy blinding white warrior of awesomism.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 avril 2010 - 03:48 .

[MelRedux]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gold and silver armor, similar to the effort armor, like the one Alistair wears if he is king. Its helmet is Juggernaut style.

Pro-tip: Kal'Hirol Armor + heartwood shield + vigilance = holy blinding white warrior of awesomism.

oooooooo...shiny........

[Addai]

Mel_Redux wrote...

ooo what's the Kal'Hiral armor? I've only been through Awakening once, so I missed a bunch of stuff.

It's the armor Alistair is wearing in Awakening.

Now SurelyForth must put up her beautiful screenie with Anders working the smexy next to her PC who's wearing it.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...
Matching outfits, LOL.  You're too funny.

As I always play rogues (when not playing a mage), I leave the pretty armor to Alistair.

We match most of the endgame unless I wear scale, as my PC is in Wade's Dragonskin and he's in dragonbone splintmail. It's not quite as obvious in the plain armor, though.

Sometimes I think I should let him stay S&S for a game, so he will be able to wear the pretty stuff before the Landsmeet,  but I just can't do it anymore.

And I just realized five minutes ago that he's DW in his concept art, which is pretty cool:

[Serissia]

Addai67 wrote...
Matching outfits, LOL.  You're too funny.

As I always play rogues (when not playing a mage), I leave the pretty armor to Alistair.

I'm the same way, I always play rogues.  Right now I'm using Shadow Warden's Armor but I want to use the Pious from the Devout set.  Apparently I have to get all the way to the Ashes part of the game to do that though. 

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

ooo what's the Kal'Hiral armor? I've only been through Awakening once, so I missed a bunch of stuff.

It's the armor Alistair is wearing in Awakening.

Now SurelyForth must put up her beautiful screenie with Anders working the smexy next to her PC who's wearing it.

You called?


Sidenote that won't matter to anyone but me: That PC is Brand and is the main character in the story I'm working on now which features quite a bit of Anders. Every time I go to type any combination of  "Brand and Anders", I want to shoot myself in the head or just give them a cutesy portmanteau, like Branders.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 20 avril 2010 - 03:54 .

[MelRedux]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

ooo what's the Kal'Hiral armor? I've only been through Awakening once, so I missed a bunch of stuff.

It's the armor Alistair is wearing in Awakening.

Now SurelyForth must put up her beautiful screenie with Anders working the smexy next to her PC who's wearing it.

You called?

Me likey!!

[LadyDamodred]

Mel_Redux wrote...

ooo what's the Kal'Hiral armor? I've only been through Awakening once, so I missed a bunch of stuff.

Here you do.
Kal'Hirol is the white and gold armor, more the focus of this shot:

Sentinel is slightly more the focus of this shot: