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[nos_astra]

Aaaah, first time I've ever watched it to the end. Still need to switch off the sound, though.

But oh my, it's hilariously funny...

[nos_astra]

Actually Cailan is 5 at the time Maric and Fiona get together. THAT was confirmed by Gaider, because some books include an error he wasn't able to correct in time.

But yes, the end of The Calling screams Alistair all over the place.

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 08:16 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Elps wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

SRWill64 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

laradenton: Seems we worked off the same face model, too. Lots of similarities in the face.

@SRWill64: Is this confirmed? Like, absolutely handed down from the Hand of Gaider himself? If so, pics or it didn't happen. I want it to be true so badly, but as far as I know, it has never been confirmed.

Edit:  Clearly I need to spend my days taking and posting screenshots.  *thinks her Cousland is very photogenic*

Also, I would take a simple quick shot of Eamon with a O_o face.

The age is confirmed. His mother's identity is inferred by DA:The Calling

Yes.  As soon as I read that in The Calling, I figured the baby was Alistair.  It seems to make sense, given how much he was pushed away from thinking he had any claim to the throne.  The age thing is a really big boost to the theory, but without Gaider confirming his mother is Fiona, we cannot say definitively.  I believe it to be true, yes, and the evidence points that way, but it's not quite enough to be beyond a doubt.

Cailan is 9 years old at the time Maric and Fiona get together so although David Gaider has not said, definitively, that Alistairs origin is the same as the babe in The Calling, the time span is right. Another clue is in the fact that Duncan promises Maric that he will watch over the baby. Getting Alistair away from the templars before he can become hooked on lyrium then keeping him out of immediate danger on the frontlines at Ostagar is in keeping with a man honoring his promise to protect Maric's offspring. Another clue is in Alistair's affinity for the arcane - this would be completely in character for the son of a mage.

David Gaider cannot confirm that Fiona is Alistair's mother if this is planned to be revealed to Alistair later in the game so I guess we just have to either believe he is, or wait for an expansion of the story.

It was confirmed by Mr. Gaider himself that Cailan is 5. 


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Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 12 avril 2010 - 08:19 .

[cmessaz]

Thats it. I'm getting the books. Anyway, I'm off to bed! Keep up the Alistair love, girls! And one final thought: Eamon is just power hungry! Lol just thought I'd restate my opinion. Bye all.

[Miri1984]

There's a rumour floating around that ANDERS is Fiona's son - which would explain the uncanny resemblance to Alistair and Cailan and the fact that he's also a hornbag.



I would like it if Anders was Alistair's brother. HOWEVER, Fiona as Alistair's mother would also be awesome.

[nos_astra]

Elps wrote...
Do you have a link to him correcting this?

I tried to find it again but the search function is a pain to work with.
Your link all but confirms that Gaider noticed his mistake very very late. When came the Calling out?

For the lulz have some Ali action. ;-)

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 08:39 .

[Arundor]

Gaider says here that Cailan is supposed to be 5 in The Calling:

http://social.biowar...54532/1#1058487

Modifié par Arundor, 12 avril 2010 - 08:40 .

[nos_astra]

Miri1984 wrote...

There's a rumour floating around that ANDERS is Fiona's son - which would explain the uncanny resemblance to Alistair and Cailan and the fact that he's also a hornbag.

I would like it if Anders was Alistair's brother. HOWEVER, Fiona as Alistair's mother would also be awesome.

I remember a thread where Gaider said the rumour about Anders is completely random, just people obsessing about the tiniest details, adding purpose and meaning where none is to be found.

Arundor wrote...

Gaider says here that Cailan is supposed
to be 5 in The Calling:

http://social.biowar...54532/1#1058487

This time I'm bookmarking the damn thread. Thank you!

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 08:43 .

[M-Taylor]

I felt the same way the first time I played a HNF pc and romanced Alistair, made him king with me beside him and the shyt goes off n sacrifices himself.  I couldn't believe that no one had anything to say, Anora pist me off the most though.  It's like what she did have to say about Alistair was an after thought.  I wanted to slap her and say the only reason why your here is because the man that rightfully belongs on this throne died to save us all, you ungrateful bytch. 

Lol sorry about the rant.  That whole scene just pisses me off.


EDIT:  I should add I've never been able to have Alistair with me in the end if I decided not to do the DR anymore lol.

I see this tossed around alot, and I feel I should point something out.

Quite a few companions can be killed. Zen, Lel, Shale, so on.. And when they die, no-body says anything. I was quite upset about killing Lel on my Dalish Elf run-through. She had her up at something like 90 and everything, but the whole Maker thing made her kill a friend, so she was quite destrout by that.. and no-body said anything. So why should Alistair be any different? Because he took the final blow?

The fact is, not many people were terribly closed to him.. It's like hearing about a neighbour who passed away. Are you sad? Probably, but it's not that effecting of you. You carry on, because that's life for you. And now combine the whole minor sadness with the fact that your nation was just saved(doesn't matter who by, you as the Grey Warden was leading the group. In many eyes, that mean's you are responsible for the Archdemons death. Alistairs death is just like.. collateral. A good comparison could be if any random party members can die defending the gates. Should we mourn them in a time of great celebration, too?). I mean, I agree, if you were romancing him, people could be more sympathetic about it.. but, the only argument I can come up with that is, it's a celebration. It's not just your celebration, it's everyone in the nation. The nation has just been saved, so I doubt many people are thinking about how you lost Alistair, 'cause it's very likely other people lost people too.

Anyway, turned into a mild wall of text, but it's something to think about. When other party members die off, they don't get mentioned, so why should Alistair? 

[Lara Denton]

M-Taylor wrote...
I see this tossed around alot, and I feel I should point something out.

Quite a few companions can be killed. Zen, Lel, Shale, so on.. And when they die, no-body says anything. I was quite upset about killing Lel on my Dalish Elf run-through. She had her up at something like 90 and everything, but the whole Maker thing made her kill a friend, so she was quite destrout by that.. and no-body said anything. So why should Alistair be any different? Because he took the final blow?

The fact is, not many people were terribly closed to him.. It's like hearing about a neighbour who passed away. Are you sad? Probably, but it's not that effecting of you. You carry on, because that's life for you. And now combine the whole minor sadness with the fact that your nation was just saved(doesn't matter who by, you as the Grey Warden was leading the group. In many eyes, that mean's you are responsible for the Archdemons death. Alistairs death is just like.. collateral. A good comparison could be if any random party members can die defending the gates. Should we mourn them in a time of great celebration, too?). I mean, I agree, if you were romancing him, people could be more sympathetic about it.. but, the only argument I can come up with that is, it's a celebration. It's not just your celebration, it's everyone in the nation. The nation has just been saved, so I doubt many people are thinking about how you lost Alistair, 'cause it's very likely other people lost people too.

Anyway, turned into a mild wall of text, but it's something to think about. When other party members die off, they don't get mentioned, so why should Alistair? 

The whole party is not that large, so I see it as an oversight or cut content. It doesn't make any sense that the others don't notice when a party member dies/leaves. It can't be justified as not being important enough or not caring.

[M-Taylor]

laradenton wrote...

M-Taylor wrote...
I see this tossed around alot, and I feel I should point something out.

Quite a few companions can be killed. Zen, Lel, Shale, so on.. And when they die, no-body says anything. I was quite upset about killing Lel on my Dalish Elf run-through. She had her up at something like 90 and everything, but the whole Maker thing made her kill a friend, so she was quite destrout by that.. and no-body said anything. So why should Alistair be any different? Because he took the final blow?

The fact is, not many people were terribly closed to him.. It's like hearing about a neighbour who passed away. Are you sad? Probably, but it's not that effecting of you. You carry on, because that's life for you. And now combine the whole minor sadness with the fact that your nation was just saved(doesn't matter who by, you as the Grey Warden was leading the group. In many eyes, that mean's you are responsible for the Archdemons death. Alistairs death is just like.. collateral. A good comparison could be if any random party members can die defending the gates. Should we mourn them in a time of great celebration, too?). I mean, I agree, if you were romancing him, people could be more sympathetic about it.. but, the only argument I can come up with that is, it's a celebration. It's not just your celebration, it's everyone in the nation. The nation has just been saved, so I doubt many people are thinking about how you lost Alistair, 'cause it's very likely other people lost people too.

Anyway, turned into a mild wall of text, but it's something to think about. When other party members die off, they don't get mentioned, so why should Alistair? 

The whole party is not that large, so I see it as an oversight or cut content. It doesn't make any sense that the others don't notice when a party member dies/leaves. It can't be justified as not being important enough or not caring.

There's quite a few clear cut dislikes in the party, though. And just because you're traveling with people does not mean you have to be intially close to them.

Sten, for example, probably doesn't talk to anyone. Morrigan makes it clear that she has no time for anyone in the party. Wynne makes several remarks that she's not that keen on Zevran. Shale, I would imagine, is quite hostile to people too. The list goes on. They're there because they have one thing in common, the Blight.

But I do agree, certain characters could mention something. Lel, for example, I would imagine to care when people leave/die. But I do understand why it's the case, death is happening all around them, maybe they just don't feel like it's worthwhile to talk about. Especially since most of the party deaths happen because of you. >.>

[nos_astra]

laradenton wrote...
The whole party is not that large, so I see it as an oversight or cut content. It doesn't make any sense that the others don't notice when a party member dies/leaves. It can't be justified as not being important enough or not caring.

Exactly. There's no RP-able reason for the lack of compassion when a friend, a love interest or a comrade-in-arms dies.

The almost-King sacrificing himself to end the Blight is a pretty good story, especially if the living hero was his lover. People would love to tell that and if DA was a book or a movie there's no way that would have been ignored.

Alas DA can only have so much content, so much dialogue and so many cutscenes. And while I know that I'd always love more story, more details, more immersion.

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 09:56 .

[Lara Denton]

M-Taylor wrote...
There's quite a few clear cut dislikes in the party, though. And just because you're traveling with people does not mean you have to be intially close to them.

Sten, for example, probably doesn't talk to anyone. Morrigan makes it clear that she has no time for anyone in the party. Wynne makes several remarks that she's not that keen on Zevran. Shale, I would imagine, is quite hostile to people too. The list goes on. They're there because they have one thing in common, the Blight.

But I do agree, certain characters could mention something. Lel, for example, I would imagine to care when people leave/die. But I do understand why it's the case, death is happening all around them, maybe they just don't feel like it's worthwhile to talk about. Especially since most of the party deaths happen because of you. >.>

At least to get something like one saying about another: "I'm glad you got rid of [insert name here]".

klarabella wrote...
Exactly. There's no RP-able reason for the lack of compassion when a friend, a love interest or a comrade-in-arms dies.

The almost-King sacrificing himself to end the Blight is a pretty good story, especially if the living hero was his lover. People would love to tell that and if DA was a book or a movie there's no way that would have been ignored.

Alas DA can only have so much content, so much dialogue and so many cutscenes. And while I know that
Id always love more story, more details, more immersion.

In the end, yes, some things just couldn't have been there for reasons like time and money... Nothing to do with telling the whole story.

Modifié par laradenton, 12 avril 2010 - 09:33 .

[Thor Rand Al]

M-Taylor wrote...

I felt the same way the first time I played a HNF pc and romanced Alistair, made him king with me beside him and the shyt goes off n sacrifices himself.  I couldn't believe that no one had anything to say, Anora pist me off the most though.  It's like what she did have to say about Alistair was an after thought.  I wanted to slap her and say the only reason why your here is because the man that rightfully belongs on this throne died to save us all, you ungrateful bytch. 

Lol sorry about the rant.  That whole scene just pisses me off.


EDIT:  I should add I've never been able to have Alistair with me in the end if I decided not to do the DR anymore lol.

I see this tossed around alot, and I feel I should point something out.

Quite a few companions can be killed. Zen, Lel, Shale, so on.. And when they die, no-body says anything. I was quite upset about killing Lel on my Dalish Elf run-through. She had her up at something like 90 and everything, but the whole Maker thing made her kill a friend, so she was quite destrout by that.. and no-body said anything. So why should Alistair be any different? Because he took the final blow?

The fact is, not many people were terribly closed to him.. It's like hearing about a neighbour who passed away. Are you sad? Probably, but it's not that effecting of you. You carry on, because that's life for you. And now combine the whole minor sadness with the fact that your nation was just saved(doesn't matter who by, you as the Grey Warden was leading the group. In many eyes, that mean's you are responsible for the Archdemons death. Alistairs death is just like.. collateral. A good comparison could be if any random party members can die defending the gates. Should we mourn them in a time of great celebration, too?). I mean, I agree, if you were romancing him, people could be more sympathetic about it.. but, the only argument I can come up with that is, it's a celebration. It's not just your celebration, it's everyone in the nation. The nation has just been saved, so I doubt many people are thinking about how you lost Alistair, 'cause it's very likely other people lost people too.

Anyway, turned into a mild wall of text, but it's something to think about. When other party members die off, they don't get mentioned, so why should Alistair? 

Exactly, the other party member's really don't matter when it comes right down to it.  There's only 2 people in the party that can't be killed or run off.  They are the main character's in this whole game and they are, the PC of course and Alistair.  Alistair can't be killed or run off until the Landsmeet.  He is considered a main character in the game.  The PC just comes first.

But then I've never killed any of the party member's and technically Alistair kills Loghain lmao.



On a side note: I find it kind of a bummer if your a HNM and marry Anora, Fergus does have a line about your marriage.  But there's no such line for the HNF.


Edit:  And on that note I'm going to bed.  Nite all and I can't wait to see how much more of this thread I get to catch up on and read tomorrow lol.  Last time it was 5 pages worth of catch-up at least

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 12 avril 2010 - 09:54 .

[SRWill64]

M-Taylor wrote...

I felt the same way the first time I played a HNF pc and romanced Alistair, made him king with me beside him and the shyt goes off n sacrifices himself.  I couldn't believe that no one had anything to say, Anora pist me off the most though.  It's like what she did have to say about Alistair was an after thought.  I wanted to slap her and say the only reason why your here is because the man that rightfully belongs on this throne died to save us all, you ungrateful bytch. 

Lol sorry about the rant.  That whole scene just pisses me off.


EDIT:  I should add I've never been able to have Alistair with me in the end if I decided not to do the DR anymore lol.

I see this tossed around alot, and I feel I should point something out.

Quite a few companions can be killed. Zen, Lel, Shale, so on.. And when they die, no-body says anything. I was quite upset about killing Lel on my Dalish Elf run-through. She had her up at something like 90 and everything, but the whole Maker thing made her kill a friend, so she was quite destrout by that.. and no-body said anything. So why should Alistair be any different? Because he took the final blow?

The fact is, not many people were terribly closed to him.. It's like hearing about a neighbour who passed away. Are you sad? Probably, but it's not that effecting of you. You carry on, because that's life for you. And now combine the whole minor sadness with the fact that your nation was just saved(doesn't matter who by, you as the Grey Warden was leading the group. In many eyes, that mean's you are responsible for the Archdemons death. Alistairs death is just like.. collateral. A good comparison could be if any random party members can die defending the gates. Should we mourn them in a time of great celebration, too?). I mean, I agree, if you were romancing him, people could be more sympathetic about it.. but, the only argument I can come up with that is, it's a celebration. It's not just your celebration, it's everyone in the nation. The nation has just been saved, so I doubt many people are thinking about how you lost Alistair, 'cause it's very likely other people lost people too.

Anyway, turned into a mild wall of text, but it's something to think about. When other party members die off, they don't get mentioned, so why should Alistair? 

Alistair dying pisses people off and gets billboarded because we  Alistair! Besides the fact that he's AWESOME  and he's supposed to be KING!

[nos_astra]

Being king is boring (although he's a great king), being a Warden or exiled is so much more interesting. ;-)

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 10:28 .

[M-Taylor]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

M-Taylor wrote...

I felt the same way the first time I played a HNF pc and romanced Alistair, made him king with me beside him and the shyt goes off n sacrifices himself.  I couldn't believe that no one had anything to say, Anora pist me off the most though.  It's like what she did have to say about Alistair was an after thought.  I wanted to slap her and say the only reason why your here is because the man that rightfully belongs on this throne died to save us all, you ungrateful bytch. 

Lol sorry about the rant.  That whole scene just pisses me off.


EDIT:  I should add I've never been able to have Alistair with me in the end if I decided not to do the DR anymore lol.

I see this tossed around alot, and I feel I should point something out.

Quite a few companions can be killed. Zen, Lel, Shale, so on.. And when they die, no-body says anything. I was quite upset about killing Lel on my Dalish Elf run-through. She had her up at something like 90 and everything, but the whole Maker thing made her kill a friend, so she was quite destrout by that.. and no-body said anything. So why should Alistair be any different? Because he took the final blow?

The fact is, not many people were terribly closed to him.. It's like hearing about a neighbour who passed away. Are you sad? Probably, but it's not that effecting of you. You carry on, because that's life for you. And now combine the whole minor sadness with the fact that your nation was just saved(doesn't matter who by, you as the Grey Warden was leading the group. In many eyes, that mean's you are responsible for the Archdemons death. Alistairs death is just like.. collateral. A good comparison could be if any random party members can die defending the gates. Should we mourn them in a time of great celebration, too?). I mean, I agree, if you were romancing him, people could be more sympathetic about it.. but, the only argument I can come up with that is, it's a celebration. It's not just your celebration, it's everyone in the nation. The nation has just been saved, so I doubt many people are thinking about how you lost Alistair, 'cause it's very likely other people lost people too.

Anyway, turned into a mild wall of text, but it's something to think about. When other party members die off, they don't get mentioned, so why should Alistair? 

Exactly, the other party member's really don't matter when it comes right down to it.  There's only 2 people in the party that can't be killed or run off.  They are the main character's in this whole game and they are, the PC of course and Alistair.  Alistair can't be killed or run off until the Landsmeet.  He is considered a main character in the game.  The PC just comes first.

But then I've never killed any of the party member's and technically Alistair kills Loghain lmao.



On a side note: I find it kind of a bummer if your a HNM and marry Anora, Fergus does have a line about your marriage.  But there's no such line for the HNF.


Edit:  And on that note I'm going to bed.  Nite all and I can't wait to see how much more of this thread I get to catch up on and read tomorrow lol.  Last time it was 5 pages worth of catch-up at least

What makes you say that?

I agree, the story does revolve around the Grey Wardens, and him being a Grey Warden (and possibly future King) does make him an important character, but I wouldn't say the other party members do not matter.

Zevran, given the right dialog options and such, can become the leader of the Crows. I'm no lore expert, but I read somewhere that Antivia was one of the more powerful nations BECAUSE of the Crows, so in that sense, he becomes just as important as Alistair? (The King of Ferelden). Granted, I admit, that depends entirely on how you look at it.

Leliana could write a song that becomes historical, and songs like that always seem to remain in childhood nursey rhymes. It's also hinted at that she could become a chantry figure, so this too could be seen as important roles.

Morrigan, in my opinion, seems to be the Devs pet character, so that speaks for itself.

List goes on, & Alistair can be killed the same amount of times as other characters, unless I'm mistaken. The only character that cannot die is Morrigan. (Some say Oghren too, but I've read that if you ****** him off enough, he attacks the warden and dies.. so /shrug). He can be executed following the Landsmeet should you side with Anora, or die at the Archdemon.

I mean, it's just entirely speculation and opinion, but I honestly don't think Alistair is *the* character in the game. Granted, I think he's the sweetest and probably most endeering romance option, but I still think other characters can be/are just important as Alistair.

[Miri1984]

Alistair can be killed the same amount of times as any other character - yes, as in once in a playthrough, but you can't ask him to leave the party, even if his disapproval is at -100 - the ONLY thing that will make him leave is letting Loghain live. Morrigan will nick off if you annoy her enough and come back at the end for the offering of the ritual. She is important, but the story would happen without her - just as it would happen without any of your other characters EXCEPT Alistair - the whole landsmeet would be a waste of time if you didn't have anyone to offer as an alternative monarch to Anora and Loghain. So a huge chunk of story just wouldn't happen without Alistair there, which in my opinion makes him the second most important character in the game - after the PC, because obviously the PC is the facilitator for all of this. I mean, technically it could all happen without the PC as well - it just wouldn't make a particularly interesting game .

[M-Taylor]

Miri1984 wrote...

Alistair can be killed the same amount of times as any other character - yes, as in once in a playthrough, but you can't ask him to leave the party, even if his disapproval is at -100 - the ONLY thing that will make him leave is letting Loghain live. Morrigan will nick off if you annoy her enough and come back at the end for the offering of the ritual. She is important, but the story would happen without her - just as it would happen without any of your other characters EXCEPT Alistair - the whole landsmeet would be a waste of time if you didn't have anyone to offer as an alternative monarch to Anora and Loghain. So a huge chunk of story just wouldn't happen without Alistair there, which in my opinion makes him the second most important character in the game - after the PC, because obviously the PC is the facilitator for all of this. I mean, technically it could all happen without the PC as well - it just wouldn't make a particularly interesting game .

The Landsmeet, I thought, was more about Loghain then any other character. It would of happened even without Alistair, because Loghain left the king to die and assumed his throne. Plus, the whole Alistair story does not effect every single story. Most of my play throughs end up with Anora on the throne, because even hardened Alistair doesn't seem to want the throne. In every single game, though, Morrigan goes west, with baby or no baby.

So.. Just my opinion, but I honestly don't think Alistair is the main character(not including the PC). I would honestly say, if I had to pick, that Morrigan was.. xD

Shame I don't like her character one single bit. Everytime she's in my party, the PC ends up getting deleted after a few hours of hearing Morrgins bitter rants.

[nos_astra]

M-Taylor wrote...
I mean, it's just entirely speculation and opinion, but I honestly don't think Alistair is *the* character in the game. Granted, I think he's the sweetest and probably most endeering romance option, but I still think other characters can be/are just important as Alistair.

Of course, all of the characters are important! But depending on who and how you play the story has a focus.
It's unsurprising that the focus of Alistair fan(girl)s is Alistair and the romance which is very closely connected to the plot and clearly interfering with your choices concerning the landsmeet, the dark ritual and the ultimate sacrifice. He's not more important than other characters in general, just a little bit more important to us.

What is unique about Alistair as a companion, he's the only companion that can sacrifice himself so you can live (unless Loghain takes his places), he's also the only companion who can be executed without a reason beyond being inconvenient at that moment.

Every other companion goes into combat mode thus leaving you no choice but to defend yourself. Oh well, Zevran can be killed after his assassination attempt but that's still nothing like having the guy executed who has been completely loyal to you.

Um, not saying you can't play the game largely ignoring Alistair.
Don't exactly know what my point is other than to disagree.

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 10:51 .

[ejoslin]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...


On a side note: I find it kind of a bummer if your a HNM and marry Anora, Fergus does have a line about your marriage.  But there's no such line for the HNF.

Really? That's odd. I would have expected the elder brother to be more concerned about his little sister's relationships than his little brother's. Then again, this is the guy who calls the HNF a "saucy minx" if she announces that she has someone waiting for her in bed, so maybe not.

If you want to see this line for a femwarden, go to my mod and download the fergus module in the optional files -- it's standalone!  He actually DOES have a line there you see.  I just learned this myself.

Edit: drinking coffee here but functioning on 3 hours sleep -- I'm talking about the post-coronation talk with Fergus, you can talk about the wedding as a femwarden as well.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 avril 2010 - 10:53 .

[nranola]

I guess I can understand if the other party members don't mention anything about his death, but particularly Leliana and Wynne, I just can't see why they can't be more concerned. I suppose the developers kept it this way just in case the player upped the party members' approval without having to talk to them (Feastday Gifts anyone?), so any mention about being remotely concerned about Alistair in their dialogue doesn't affect their post-coronation dialogue at all.

But then again there's the whole thing about sparing Loghain. You'd think they'd have something to say about that, considering you can hop back into camp and all. Oh well. Another void for fanwork to fill, I suppose. xD